ImageImageImageImageImage

TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony

Moderators: Jeff Van Gully, NoLayupRule, King of Canada, GONYK, mpharris36, Deeeez Knicks, Capn'O, Thugger HBC, j4remi, K-DOT, mrpoetryNmotion

Who would you pick?

Poll ended at Wed Jul 1, 2020 2:55 pm

onyeka okongwu
29
52%
cole anthony
27
48%
 
Total votes: 56

User avatar
god shammgod
Knicks Forum Crazy Board Uncle
Posts: 100,843
And1: 62,096
Joined: Feb 18, 2006
Location: Never Too Early to Tank

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#81 » by god shammgod » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:28 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:...


I feel like you just want a point guard. As we learned with Mudiay twice (2015 draft and then when we traded for him) just looking at players that "fit" can be dangerous.

Spoiler:
My actual pick at picks 6-X would be Obi if he's on the board. Love Yek but not for us.


no. i just want anyone who's not a big. unless you draft a big who is gonna really dominate, it's pretty much a waste of a pick. bigs don't have great value anymore. plus our best young player is a center. 2 centers ? what is this 1994 ? should i go buy a tommy hillfiger rugby while i'm here ? this is madness.
Image
User avatar
mpharris36
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 67,371
And1: 40,276
Joined: Nov 03, 2010
     

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#82 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:35 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:...


I feel like you just want a point guard. As we learned with Mudiay twice (2015 draft and then when we traded for him) just looking at players that "fit" can be dangerous.

Spoiler:
My actual pick at picks 6-X would be Obi if he's on the board. Love Yek but not for us.


no. i just want anyone who's not a big. unless you draft a big who is gonna really dominate, it's pretty much a waste of a pick. bigs don't have great value anymore. plus our best young player is a center. 2 centers ? what is this 1994 ? should i go buy a tommy hillfiger rugby while i'm here ? this is madness.


what if that big has value around the league where we are drafting 7 and we can trade down to 10 or 11 and still get a guard plus get a future asset?
BAF Spurs:

C - Mo Bamba/Justin Patton/J Green
PF - Michael Porter Jr/Johnathan Williams/Kostas Antetokounmpo
SF - Mikal Bridges/Thanasis Antetokounmpo
SG - Luke Kennard/Tyler Johnson/Theo Pinson
PG - Frank Ntilikina/Lonnie Walker/Brad Wannamaker
User avatar
god shammgod
Knicks Forum Crazy Board Uncle
Posts: 100,843
And1: 62,096
Joined: Feb 18, 2006
Location: Never Too Early to Tank

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#83 » by god shammgod » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:39 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
I feel like you just want a point guard. As we learned with Mudiay twice (2015 draft and then when we traded for him) just looking at players that "fit" can be dangerous.

Spoiler:
My actual pick at picks 6-X would be Obi if he's on the board. Love Yek but not for us.


no. i just want anyone who's not a big. unless you draft a big who is gonna really dominate, it's pretty much a waste of a pick. bigs don't have great value anymore. plus our best young player is a center. 2 centers ? what is this 1994 ? should i go buy a tommy hillfiger rugby while i'm here ? this is madness.


what if that big has value around the league where we are drafting 7 and we can trade down to 10 or 11 and still get a guard plus get a future asset?


i don't think this draft is good enough to get an asset for going down a few spots unless it's for a top 2 pick. would you give up something to go from 8 to 5 let's say ? i wouldn't.
Image
Knicks Byke
Analyst
Posts: 3,261
And1: 2,312
Joined: Aug 11, 2015
   

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#84 » by Knicks Byke » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:44 pm

give me Greg Anthony's kid. need that ny **** byke.
User avatar
malik959
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,074
And1: 1,629
Joined: Apr 10, 2001
Location: Alabama (from L.I)
     

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#85 » by malik959 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:53 pm

Would love a NY NY combo with Cole and RJ.
User avatar
Capn'O
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 55,352
And1: 45,013
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: There were giants in those days
 

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#86 » by Capn'O » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:56 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:...


I feel like you just want a point guard. As we learned with Mudiay twice (2015 draft and then when we traded for him) just looking at players that "fit" can be dangerous.

Spoiler:
My actual pick at picks 6-X would be Obi if he's on the board. Love Yek but not for us.


no. i just want anyone who's not a big. unless you draft a big who is gonna really dominate, it's pretty much a waste of a pick. bigs don't have great value anymore. plus our best young player is a center. 2 centers ? what is this 1994 ? should i go buy a tommy hillfiger rugby while i'm here ? this is madness.


The Harrells and Holmes of the world have value and they can ride pine.

Like I said, I'd prefer Obi to either of these guys for the Knicks because he can stretch the floor a bit as a 4 while also providing a good post, cutting, and faceup game. Complete scorer for a 4. Plus, the Knicks would have two GOAT candidates for FG%.
BAF Clippers
SGA Ferguson Middleton
DFS Juancho Markieff
Vanderbilt Nurkic Holmes Meyers

RIP Mags :beer:
"Greatness wasn't worth anything if you couldn't share it."-Kobe
User avatar
mpharris36
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 67,371
And1: 40,276
Joined: Nov 03, 2010
     

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#87 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:02 pm

god shammgod wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
no. i just want anyone who's not a big. unless you draft a big who is gonna really dominate, it's pretty much a waste of a pick. bigs don't have great value anymore. plus our best young player is a center. 2 centers ? what is this 1994 ? should i go buy a tommy hillfiger rugby while i'm here ? this is madness.


what if that big has value around the league where we are drafting 7 and we can trade down to 10 or 11 and still get a guard plus get a future asset?


i don't think this draft is good enough to get an asset for going down a few spots unless it's for a top 2 pick. would you give up something to go from 8 to 5 let's say ? i wouldn't.


if killian hayes or lamelo were still on the board sure.

I might give up a dallas protected pick to make sure I get a good PG...and not just a PG.
BAF Spurs:

C - Mo Bamba/Justin Patton/J Green
PF - Michael Porter Jr/Johnathan Williams/Kostas Antetokounmpo
SF - Mikal Bridges/Thanasis Antetokounmpo
SG - Luke Kennard/Tyler Johnson/Theo Pinson
PG - Frank Ntilikina/Lonnie Walker/Brad Wannamaker
User avatar
malik959
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,074
And1: 1,629
Joined: Apr 10, 2001
Location: Alabama (from L.I)
     

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#88 » by malik959 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:04 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
I feel like you just want a point guard. As we learned with Mudiay twice (2015 draft and then when we traded for him) just looking at players that "fit" can be dangerous.

Spoiler:
My actual pick at picks 6-X would be Obi if he's on the board. Love Yek but not for us.


no. i just want anyone who's not a big. unless you draft a big who is gonna really dominate, it's pretty much a waste of a pick. bigs don't have great value anymore. plus our best young player is a center. 2 centers ? what is this 1994 ? should i go buy a tommy hillfiger rugby while i'm here ? this is madness.


The Harrells and Holmes of the world have value and they can ride pine.

Like I said, I'd prefer Obi to either of these guys for the Knicks because he can stretch the floor a bit as a 4 while also providing a good post, cutting, and faceup game. Complete scorer for a 4. Plus, the Knicks would have two GOAT candidates for FG%.


A big man who doesnt play a lick of defense :banghead: like Kanter and Randle all over again, just say Noooooo!
User avatar
Capn'O
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 55,352
And1: 45,013
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: There were giants in those days
 

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#89 » by Capn'O » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:22 pm

malik959 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
no. i just want anyone who's not a big. unless you draft a big who is gonna really dominate, it's pretty much a waste of a pick. bigs don't have great value anymore. plus our best young player is a center. 2 centers ? what is this 1994 ? should i go buy a tommy hillfiger rugby while i'm here ? this is madness.


The Harrells and Holmes of the world have value and they can ride pine.

Like I said, I'd prefer Obi to either of these guys for the Knicks because he can stretch the floor a bit as a 4 while also providing a good post, cutting, and faceup game. Complete scorer for a 4. Plus, the Knicks would have two GOAT candidates for FG%.


A big man who doesnt play a lick of defense :banghead: like Kanter and Randle all over again, just say Noooooo!


Vs a point that doesn't pass and a big that doesn't do anything elite. Also, he's a modern 4, not a true big.

This is Ja Morant all over again. Guy from a smaller school just smokes everyone and people don't want to believe it. You pair him with a C and point that can cover and hope he can be taught a role on defense.
BAF Clippers
SGA Ferguson Middleton
DFS Juancho Markieff
Vanderbilt Nurkic Holmes Meyers

RIP Mags :beer:
"Greatness wasn't worth anything if you couldn't share it."-Kobe
User avatar
thebuzzardman
RealGM
Posts: 38,348
And1: 30,074
Joined: Jun 24, 2006
Location: IGNOMANIA

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#90 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Getting ready for the tiebreaker for the tiebreaker!
User avatar
3toheadmelo
RealGM
Posts: 37,069
And1: 33,765
Joined: Feb 15, 2015
 

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#91 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:27 pm

Capn'O wrote:
malik959 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
The Harrells and Holmes of the world have value and they can ride pine.

Like I said, I'd prefer Obi to either of these guys for the Knicks because he can stretch the floor a bit as a 4 while also providing a good post, cutting, and faceup game. Complete scorer for a 4. Plus, the Knicks would have two GOAT candidates for FG%.


A big man who doesnt play a lick of defense :banghead: like Kanter and Randle all over again, just say Noooooo!


Vs a point that doesn't pass and a big that doesn't do anything elite. Also, he's a modern 4, not a true big.

This is Ja Morant all over again. Guy from a smaller school just smokes everyone and people don't want to believe it. You pair him with a C and point that can cover and hope he can be taught a role on defense.

They sleeping on Obi. Randle is good but Obi fits better next to Mitch and RJ. Obi was just dominant this season and even played well against the top college teams in the nation.
Cavs Nation
?/?/?
?/?/?
?/?/?
?/?/?
?/?/?

It's like when n*ggas make subliminal records
If it ain't directed directly at me, I don't respect it
knickstape21
Analyst
Posts: 3,498
And1: 1,943
Joined: Dec 13, 2012

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#92 » by knickstape21 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:28 pm

It can be Okongwu that’s fine, but there is just no way in this world the Knicks will consider him in the top 10 when we have a better young talent at the position already.
:usa:
User avatar
Capn'O
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 55,352
And1: 45,013
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: There were giants in those days
 

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#93 » by Capn'O » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:28 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
malik959 wrote:
A big man who doesnt play a lick of defense :banghead: like Kanter and Randle all over again, just say Noooooo!


Vs a point that doesn't pass and a big that doesn't do anything elite. Also, he's a modern 4, not a true big.

This is Ja Morant all over again. Guy from a smaller school just smokes everyone and people don't want to believe it. You pair him with a C and point that can cover and hope he can be taught a role on defense.

They sleeping on Obi. Randle is good but Obi fits better next to Mitch and RJ. Obi was just dominant this season and even played well against the top college teams in the nation.


Dayton was 29-2. 29-2! They were 14-17 before Obi got there.
BAF Clippers
SGA Ferguson Middleton
DFS Juancho Markieff
Vanderbilt Nurkic Holmes Meyers

RIP Mags :beer:
"Greatness wasn't worth anything if you couldn't share it."-Kobe
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 59,892
And1: 27,086
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#94 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:29 pm

King Kong
Image
User avatar
HEZI
RealGM
Posts: 32,284
And1: 14,042
Joined: Nov 16, 2004
 

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#95 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:30 pm

Yes if you are going to take a big then you take Obi because he's actually skilled. You don't settle for Onyeka. Obi has All Star potential, Onyeka is a role player at best and doesn't even fit the roster.
DENVER NUGGETS
Mike Conley/Devonte Graham/Ish Smith
Eric Gordon/Jordan Clarkson/Elfrid Payton
Kelly Oubre Jr./KCP/Anfernee Simons
WCJ/Larry Nance Jr./Damion Lee
Andre Drummond/Nerlens Noel/Christian Wood
User avatar
3toheadmelo
RealGM
Posts: 37,069
And1: 33,765
Joined: Feb 15, 2015
 

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#96 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:36 pm

Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Vs a point that doesn't pass and a big that doesn't do anything elite. Also, he's a modern 4, not a true big.

This is Ja Morant all over again. Guy from a smaller school just smokes everyone and people don't want to believe it. You pair him with a C and point that can cover and hope he can be taught a role on defense.

They sleeping on Obi. Randle is good but Obi fits better next to Mitch and RJ. Obi was just dominant this season and even played well against the top college teams in the nation.


Dayton was 29-2. 29-2! They were 14-17 before Obi got there.

Obi not a winning player though
Cavs Nation
?/?/?
?/?/?
?/?/?
?/?/?
?/?/?

It's like when n*ggas make subliminal records
If it ain't directed directly at me, I don't respect it
User avatar
Deeeez Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 31,473
And1: 17,219
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
Location: Bar stool

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#97 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:41 pm

Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Vs a point that doesn't pass and a big that doesn't do anything elite. Also, he's a modern 4, not a true big.

This is Ja Morant all over again. Guy from a smaller school just smokes everyone and people don't want to believe it. You pair him with a C and point that can cover and hope he can be taught a role on defense.

They sleeping on Obi. Randle is good but Obi fits better next to Mitch and RJ. Obi was just dominant this season and even played well against the top college teams in the nation.


Dayton was 29-2. 29-2! They were 14-17 before Obi got there.


I think they only played against 1 top 25 team though and were 79th in strength of schedule...They played Kansas close but lost in OT.
Mavs
C: Jonas Val | Looney| Aron Baynes
F: Giannis | Vonleh | Grant Williams
F: Danny Green | Kurucs | RHJ
G: Bradley Beal | D House | T Davis
G: Jrue Holiday | Derrick White | Exum
Stash
Didi
Milos
User avatar
Capn'O
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 55,352
And1: 45,013
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: There were giants in those days
 

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#98 » by Capn'O » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:44 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:They sleeping on Obi. Randle is good but Obi fits better next to Mitch and RJ. Obi was just dominant this season and even played well against the top college teams in the nation.


Dayton was 29-2. 29-2! They were 14-17 before Obi got there.


I think they only played against 1 top 25 team though and were 79th in strength of schedule...They played Kansas close but lost in OT.


Tougher than what Ja Morant faced :o
BAF Clippers
SGA Ferguson Middleton
DFS Juancho Markieff
Vanderbilt Nurkic Holmes Meyers

RIP Mags :beer:
"Greatness wasn't worth anything if you couldn't share it."-Kobe
User avatar
Deeeez Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 31,473
And1: 17,219
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
Location: Bar stool

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#99 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:57 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Dayton was 29-2. 29-2! They were 14-17 before Obi got there.


I think they only played against 1 top 25 team though and were 79th in strength of schedule...They played Kansas close but lost in OT.


Tougher than what Ja Morant faced :o


True, and I loved Ja all year. Think there are some big differences though. Obi is 22 already, where as Ja and Onyeka are/were 19. They had completely different games too. Ja's game combined with athletiscm looked like it would fit in great into the NBA and translate right over. I just don't see that with Obi....and just the way he got abused on defense even against weak teams is pretty concerning to me.

Onyeka, just looks like he has a lot more room to get better. Moves better on the perimeter. Can be a plus on both ends...his jumper may even come around as it doesnt look that bad and he was able to hit free throws.
Mavs
C: Jonas Val | Looney| Aron Baynes
F: Giannis | Vonleh | Grant Williams
F: Danny Green | Kurucs | RHJ
G: Bradley Beal | D House | T Davis
G: Jrue Holiday | Derrick White | Exum
Stash
Didi
Milos
User avatar
Kampuchea
Head Coach
Posts: 7,163
And1: 3,477
Joined: Oct 20, 2010
Location: Phnom Penh, Cambodia
       

Re: TIEBREAKER 24 hour VOTE! onyeka okongwu vs cole anthony 

Post#100 » by Kampuchea » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:11 pm

What’s the tiebreaker for this one? Seems likely to go to a tie
Image

Return to New York Knicks