j4remi wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:frothbrain wrote:Sweden stuck it out with herd immunity and salvaged their domestic economy, while maintaining a reasonable quality of life.
American politicians failed horribly to implement a quarantine while destroying small businesses, allowing corporations to acquire even more market share.
**** Cuomo and anyone who simplifies their arguments down to my team is better than yours.
My family is Swedish. Sweden did not do so well. Their per capita death rate was very high compared to most of the rest of the world. The other Scandinavian countries handled it the opposite of Sweden and did vastly better as a result. Sweden's approach is basically a failure. And their economy took a much bigger hit than the rest of Scandinavia too.
There is no such thing as Herd Immunity in regards to covid-19 at this point. It is merely a hypothesis and there is still tons of research being done. And the traditional hypothesis requires the majority of the population to be exposed. So far only about 10% of any given population has contracted the virus so there would have to be a massive continuing outbreak to even test this hypothesis.
Some data is already showing some anti-bodies formed once you contract covid-19 may last as little as three months and then disappear. People are already getting re-infected and ill a second time. And the dominant strain of Covid-19 is the newer mutation which is far more infectious than the variant we first experienced at the beginning of this year.
So, no, Sweden did not achieve herd immunity. If anyone told you that, they're lying to you.
The Financial Times tried to pass them off as successful by comparing their numbers more broadly rather than using neighboring countries with similar logistics recently. So the Sweden argument is back for like the third time.
Sweden is the go to country for BS memes propagated by right wingers desperate to hang the label of a failed socialist state around somebody's neck. They were trying to tell everyone the emigrated muslims are on a perpetual crime spree. There's criminals and motorcycle gangs there just like anywhere else. But usually the criminals are white nationalists.
So it is doubly ironic that the right is now trying to use Sweden as a success story to justify their political BS around Trump's mishandling of the pandemic when they picked the one thing Sweden actually messed up to hang their hat on.
The difference between Sweden and the U.S. is they are adjusting and admitted to some of their mistakes. No such luck here.
Like here, much of the death toll was the elderly. One of my aunts just died from covid-19, but she was 90 with other ailments and was already talking about wanting to leave this world before the virus hit here.
The other big difference is Sweden is generally a healthier country with far less obesity so if their per capital infections and fatalities were higher it really does mean they took a hit from the pandemic they probably now wish they should have avoided.
Herd Immunity is right wing BS. Seriously, it is politicized ignorance and I'm not saying this to offend the other poster. I'm saying it because it is a weaponized pack of lies and they were fed tragically false information.
