Woj: Knicks Hire Thibs - Official PG 64 - Woodson expected to join pg 66

[Clyde_Style]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



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90% of superior management is hiring subject domain experts so you are no longer the smartest person in the room and you get TF out of their way. Then you only make key decisions after they have given their input on the right choice to make. Rose is showing signs he comprehends this.

[Nazrmohamed]

Knicks gonna Knick, with Houston being the rat feeding Dolan info. Watch your back Thibs.



The whole part about Houston being a spy for Dolan really doesn't bother me that much considering how Dolan let Leon use the scorched earth policy and getting rid of almost everyone and bringing in best possible person he can hire. The thing that really gets me is the whole Perry thing. I really thought highly of him when he came in but this whole mess with player development just adds more questions than answers.

I'll say this, Rose is a lot shrewder player than many here give him credit for.

If, the Houston scenario is true, Rose handled it perfectly. By giving an "influencer" limited power and actual responsibility, you also open them up avenues of criticism toward them that were previously closed because of the private nature of their communication.

Leon's given Allen some skin in the game now, and in order to justify his position (and influence) Houston must produce results for Rose or his influence diminishes and he becomes an organizational liability.

Damn bruh, that's some game of thrones level strategy going on there. Who's getting stabbed in the back first?

[stuporman]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



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Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

[Zenzibar]

NY Knicks: Kobe Bryant texted Tom Thibodeau days before fatal crash

by Jeffrey Bellone 5 minutes ago

Kobe Bryant's Lakers jerseys are displayed during the Kobe Bryant's Lakers jerseys are displayed during the "Celebration of Life for Kobe and Gianna Bryant" service at Staples Center in Downtown Los Angeles on February 24, 2020. - Kobe Bryant, 41, and 13-year-old Gianna were among nine people killed in a helicopter crash in the rugged hills west of Los Angeles on January 26. (Photo by Frederic J. BROWN / AFP) (Photo by FREDERIC J. BROWN/AFP via Getty Images)
Tom Thibodeau discussed his last conversation with the late Kobe Bryant.

New York Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau exchanged text messages with the late Kobe Bryant only days before Bryant’s fatal helicopter accident. Kobe was seeking advice on coaching his daughter’s basketball team and was hoping to meet up with the NBA coach on his next visit to Los Angeles.

In a Q&A with the New York Post, Thibodeau recalled his last conversation with the NBA legend.

“The irony is probably about a week before, 10 days before [the helicopter crash], he had texted me, we were talking about the team he was coaching with his daughter’s team,” Thibodeau told the New York Post. “I had been going out to L.A. quite a bit to spend time with Doc [Rivers], and he asked me when I was coming out again, we were gonna get together. Really sad.”
While working as an assistant coach for the Philadelphia 76ers, Thibodeau fostered a relationship with a high-school-aged Bryant, working on his game at a nearby Saint Joseph’s gym.

In an interview from 2010, Kobe talked about how “crucial” Thibodeau was in helping him out as a young basketball player.

“He was crucial,” Bryant said via ESPN. “He was with me when I was 16 or 17 years old. Just doing drills and just working on ball-handling and just teaching me the game. He was there from Day 1.”
When you think of Kobe’s famous work ethic, it only makes sense that he would have gotten along with Coach Thibs, who is known to burn the midnight oil in preparing for opponents.

Thibodeau was introduced as the 31st coach in New York Knicks history this week. He reportedly signed a five-year contract worth over $20 million.

Guys that have killer mentalities and that wants to do whatever it takes to win will do well with Thibs. Those that don't probably won't. Thats a natural weeding out process that fans of any team should be happy about.

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Exactly!

That's why noone should place any weight whatsoever on the Thibs wears out players rep.
As you eloquently stated, those that have the Mamba mentality resonate with Thibs own. Those that don't bytch and moan.
A pure Pat Riley, JVG disciple. NBA be weary we're coming for as many shrunken heads as possible.

[blanko]

Its simple, tibs couldn't win because towns is a looser and so is wiggins. They lost before tibs, they won with tibs, and they are loosing after tibs.



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[rajajackal]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



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Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

i think he means skilled as in experienced. none of these guys came into the position with prior experience running a basketball FO. leon's at least approaching it with awareness that that's the case

[Infinitimind]

Its simple, tibs couldn't win because towns is a looser and so is wiggins. They lost before tibs, they won with tibs, and they are loosing after tibs.



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He did win, that wasn’t the issues. They were top 3 before bulter got hurt in the west. He just hard old school coach, this new era kids are to fragile for that. That why they want to mix some young assistants to help the transition

[thebuzzardman]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



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Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

Well, always - time will tell.

Rose might not be specifically skilled as BASKETBALL Exec, or from the operations side, but he can be generally skilled as an exec, in that he'll hire the smart people to do it and heed their advice.

It's an interesting hire. Has the hallmarks of a "Dolan Special" starph*cking the big name, or getting the "Agent turned GM" understanding wrong, but on the other hand, Rose is a smart successful guy who seems to have hired good people so far.

[stuporman]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



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Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

i think he means skilled as in experienced. none of these guys came into the position with prior experience running a basketball FO. leon's at least approaching it with awareness that that's the case

Moo has been around a long time and is pretty smart, he's familiar with the word experienced so if that was meant I suspect it would have been used.

[Nazrmohamed]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



Sent from my SM-N975U using RealGM mobile app

Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

I guess the word he meant was inexperienced. He could end up very skilled but you need experience to prove it. Im excited.

[Clyde_Style]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



Sent from my SM-N975U using RealGM mobile app

Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

Well, always - time will tell.

Rose might not be specifically skilled as BASKETBALL Exec, or from the operations side, but he can be generally skilled as an exec, in that he'll hire the smart people to do it and heed their advice.

It's an interesting hire. Has the hallmarks of a "Dolan Special" starph*cking the big name, or getting the "Agent turned GM" understanding wrong, but on the other hand, Rose is a smart successful guy who seems to have hired good people so far.

I also project Rose as an above average dealmaker. He appears to understand negotiation psychology, some of which should translate from his time as an agent. I don't expect him to get fleeced on deals as long as Dolan keeps his Bargnani-sized dick out of Rose's pie hole.

[stuporman]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



Sent from my SM-N975U using RealGM mobile app

Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

Well, always - time will tell.

Rose might not be specifically skilled as BASKETBALL Exec, or from the operations side, but he can be generally skilled as an exec, in that he'll hire the smart people to do it and heed their advice.

It's an interesting hire. Has the hallmarks of a "Dolan Special" starph*cking the big name, or getting the "Agent turned GM" understanding wrong, but on the other hand, Rose is a smart successful guy who seems to have hired good people so far.

I don't know enough about Rose to say which way or the other about him but it's possible he identifies the best people to do the job and listens to them. If his thing is more about relationships and delegates things to other people he trusts then that's his method we'll see if he's any good at it.

[stuporman]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



Sent from my SM-N975U using RealGM mobile app

Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

I guess the word he meant was inexperienced. He could end up very skilled but you need experience to prove it. Im excited.

What is it with people trying to tell people what others meant? Moo is grown and can speak for themselves. We'll see about Rose.

[rajajackal]

Isn't this his first front office gig? I thought it was so do we know if he is skilled or not at this point?

Also if he's hiring the skilled people to build the team successfully wouldn't that him being a skilled exec?

I guess time will tell.

I guess the word he meant was inexperienced. He could end up very skilled but you need experience to prove it. Im excited.

What is it with people trying to tell people what others meant? Moo is grown and can speak for themselves. We'll see about Rose.

this is not about speaking for moo. it's compensating for a lack of understanding on your part. "skilled" can very easily be interpreted this way, and i was clarifying that for you.

[stuporman]

I guess the word he meant was inexperienced. He could end up very skilled but you need experience to prove it. Im excited.

What is it with people trying to tell people what others meant? Moo is grown and can speak for themselves. We'll see about Rose.

this is not about speaking for moo. it's compensating for a lack of understanding on your part. "skilled" can very easily be interpreted this way, and i was clarifying that for you.

You are compensating alright but it's for your own shortcomings...experienced doesn't equate to skilled and Mills quite ironically proves this distinction masterfully.

[rajajackal]

What is it with people trying to tell people what others meant? Moo is grown and can speak for themselves. We'll see about Rose.

this is not about speaking for moo. it's compensating for a lack of understanding on your part. "skilled" can very easily be interpreted this way, and i was clarifying that for you.

You are compensating alright but it's for your own shortcomings...experienced doesn't equate to skilled and Mills quite ironically proves this distinction masterfully.

lol okay. can't imagine what potential there is for "shortcomings" in either of my two brief statements, but if this is an ego thing for you i understand you won't back down to reason

also, Mills had no basketball-executive experience aside from being hired by the Knicks either. so yeah, in reading comprehension, context clues are very helpful

[moocow007]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



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90% of superior management is hiring subject domain experts so you are no longer the smartest person in the room and you get TF out of their way. Then you only make key decisions after they have given their input on the right choice to make. Rose is showing signs he comprehends this.

Yep agreed. That's why I'm not feeling as sour and miserable as I normally would in a Knicks offseason.

[Clyde_Style]

Isiah Thomas - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Phil Jackson - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Steve Mills - wasn't a skilled front office exec but thought he was

Leon Rose - isn't a skilled front office exec, apparently accepted he isn't and hired a whole slew of front office personnel from top organizations to help him



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90% of superior management is hiring subject domain experts so you are no longer the smartest person in the room and you get TF out of their way. Then you only make key decisions after they have given their input on the right choice to make. Rose is showing signs he comprehends this.

Yep agreed. That's why I'm not feeling as sour and miserable as I normally would in a Knicks offseason.

Yes, and these dietary improvements you've made during lockdown help keep up the spirits

Spoiler:

[moocow007]

90% of superior management is hiring subject domain experts so you are no longer the smartest person in the room and you get TF out of their way. Then you only make key decisions after they have given their input on the right choice to make. Rose is showing signs he comprehends this.

Yep agreed. That's why I'm not feeling as sour and miserable as I normally would in a Knicks offseason.

Yes, and these dietary improvements you've made during lockdown help keep up the spirits

Spoiler:

This is what's happened to me during lockdown.

[Clyde_Style]

Yep agreed. That's why I'm not feeling as sour and miserable as I normally would in a Knicks offseason.

Yes, and these dietary improvements you've made during lockdown help keep up the spirits

Spoiler:

This is what's happened to me during lockdown.

You were great in The Big Lebowski