POLL: Will Thibs Play Frank A Lot?

[3toheadmelo]

I have a premonition Thibs gonna trade Frank to Bulls for his defensive ace Kris Dunn

I support that trade. Dunn is 10x the defender Frank is

This is mostly wrong, but it also ignores that Dunn is already 26 and an argument can be made that Frank is the overall better player at this stage in their respective careers.

Dunn metrics are much better than Frank’s on defense. Zach Lowe even put Dunn in his 2nd defensive team for the year. Frank is not in that convo at all.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Frank can just get a consistent 3 he would be a pretty valuable role player. Even as is, he can be a useful bench piece. He is really not that far away.

He should be penciled in as a versatile G off the bench that can play both G spots. Want to see him in more lineups next to another PG.

[GONYK]

I support that trade. Dunn is 10x the defender Frank is

This is mostly wrong, but it also ignores that Dunn is already 26 and an argument can be made that Frank is the overall better player at this stage in their respective careers.

Dunn metrics are much better than Frank’s on defense. Zach Lowe even put Dunn in his 2nd defensive team for the year. Frank is not in that convo at all.

Dunn had a better defensive season for sure. Mainly due to his steal rate being so high. Does that mean he's 10x the defender Frank is in general? Especially over the course of their careers?

That is the claim you made.

This is the only season of Dunn's career where his defensive metrics top Frank's, and Frank has had better defensive metrics than Dunn had this year before.

And I'm mentioning it again, Dunn is already 26.

[moocow007]

I thought this was an NBA brothers thread!

Hi sham

As long there's no bars of soap and hot butter, we should be fine.

[god shammgod]

you can't even get dunn for frank so it's pointless to talk about

[3toheadmelo]

This is mostly wrong, but it also ignores that Dunn is already 26 and an argument can be made that Frank is the overall better player at this stage in their respective careers.

Dunn metrics are much better than Frank’s on defense. Zach Lowe even put Dunn in his 2nd defensive team for the year. Frank is not in that convo at all.

Dunn had a better defensive season for sure. Mainly due to his steal rate being so high. Does that mean he's 10x the defender Frank is in general? Especially over the course of their careers?

That is the claim you made.

This is the only season of Dunn's career where his defensive metrics top Frank's, and Frank has had better defensive metrics than Dunn had this year before.

And I'm mentioning it again, Dunn is already 26.

Pretty much every metric out there has Frank as an average-negative defender. He is grossly overrated on that end. Frank is simply not on his level, or even close to it.


People said Frank was better than Jrue Holiday was as a rookie too. That means literally nothing.

[mpharris36]

you can't even get dunn for frank so it's pointless to talk about

good it would be a bad trade for us

[HEZI]

If Frank can just get a consistent 3 he would be a pretty valuable role player. Even as is, he can be a useful bench piece. He is really not that far away.

He should be penciled in as a versatile G off the bench that can play both G spots. Want to see him in more lineups next to another PG.

I like him as a combo guard off the bench. That's his best role. We do need to address our long term starters though so we can finally end this madness of expecting Frank to be somebody he's not and asking for him to get more minutes than he really should be getting (20-24 mpg should be ideal and that's what he's been getting the last couple years) but it's clear what his role should be so now we need to just solve the issue with the actual starting backcourt.

[GONYK]

Dunn metrics are much better than Frank’s on defense. Zach Lowe even put Dunn in his 2nd defensive team for the year. Frank is not in that convo at all.

Dunn had a better defensive season for sure. Mainly due to his steal rate being so high. Does that mean he's 10x the defender Frank is in general? Especially over the course of their careers?

That is the claim you made.

This is the only season of Dunn's career where his defensive metrics top Frank's, and Frank has had better defensive metrics than Dunn had this year before.

And I'm mentioning it again, Dunn is already 26.

Pretty much every metric out there has Frank as an average-negative defender. He is grossly overrated on that end. Frank is simply not on his level, or even close to it.


People said Frank was better than Jrue Holiday was as a rookie too. That means literally nothing.

Do you have any evidence of people calling Kris Dunn the modern day Tony Allen before this season?

[3toheadmelo]

On god you would swear that Frank is the next Gary Payton by the way you guys talk of him

[GONYK]

you can't even get dunn for frank so it's pointless to talk about

good it would be a bad trade for us

Seriously

Let's trade for a 26 year old who shoots 26% from 3 has basically been transitioned to a 6'3" SF

[3toheadmelo]

Dunn had a better defensive season for sure. Mainly due to his steal rate being so high. Does that mean he's 10x the defender Frank is in general? Especially over the course of their careers?

That is the claim you made.

This is the only season of Dunn's career where his defensive metrics top Frank's, and Frank has had better defensive metrics than Dunn had this year before.

And I'm mentioning it again, Dunn is already 26.

Pretty much every metric out there has Frank as an average-negative defender. He is grossly overrated on that end. Frank is simply not on his level, or even close to it.


People said Frank was better than Jrue Holiday was as a rookie too. That means literally nothing.

Do you have any evidence of people calling Kris Dunn the modern day Tony Allen before this season?

Do you have any evidence that suggests Frank is even close to Dunn’s level on defense this year or nah? Dude is just an average defender. Dunn is 10x better on defense. Metrics agree with me. Can care less about the past we in the present. Y’all was saying he was better than Jrue Holiday

[GONYK]

On god you would swear that Frank is the next Gary Payton by the way you guys talk of him

Saying Frank has been a better defender than Dunn over the course of their careers is not the same as saying he's Gary Payton.

That is a strawman, sir

[Deeeez Knicks]

you can't even get dunn for frank so it's pointless to talk about

good it would be a bad trade for us

Seriously

Let's trade for a 26 year old who has basically been transitioned to SF

Yea, I would rather just see if Frank improves.

[GONYK]

Pretty much every metric out there has Frank as an average-negative defender. He is grossly overrated on that end. Frank is simply not on his level, or even close to it.


People said Frank was better than Jrue Holiday was as a rookie too. That means literally nothing.

Do you have any evidence of people calling Kris Dunn the modern day Tony Allen before this season?

Do you have any evidence that suggests Frank is even close to Dunn’s level on defense this year or nah? Dude is just an average defender. Dunn is 10x better on defense. Metrics agree with me. Can care less about the past we in the present. Y’all was saying he was better than Jrue Holiday

You can move the goalposts all you want man.

Nobody is denying Dunn had a better defensive season this year

I think it takes more than one down year for Frank and one up year for Dunn to declare Dunn 10x the defender. Especially when he's been crazy underwhelming on that front for the rest of his career and Frank has outperformed him in previous seasons.

You made a very bold claim.

If you want to say Dunn had 10x the season, that's fine.

[mpharris36]

If Frank can just get a consistent 3 he would be a pretty valuable role player. Even as is, he can be a useful bench piece. He is really not that far away.

He should be penciled in as a versatile G off the bench that can play both G spots. Want to see him in more lineups next to another PG.

I like him as a combo guard off the bench. That's his best role. We do need to address our long term starters though so we can finally end this madness of expecting Frank to be somebody he's not and asking for him to get more minutes than he really should be getting (20-24 mpg should be ideal and that's what he's been getting the last couple years) but it's clear what his role should be so now we need to just solve the issue with the actual starting backcourt.

I think over 90% of people that like Frank think he fits into the role above that you want him to be in. A versatile guard off the bench that can be interchangeable with any lineup because he can play some on ball and some off ball. He also can finish games if we need to go small in terms of having another guard in the lineup that can defend the oppositions best player but still have another PG out there with RJ as well.

And I 100% agree (and most would agree) the the team will try and should fill the starting PG spot with either there high draft pick or a veteran FA.

[3toheadmelo]

Do you have any evidence of people calling Kris Dunn the modern day Tony Allen before this season?

Do you have any evidence that suggests Frank is even close to Dunn’s level on defense this year or nah? Dude is just an average defender. Dunn is 10x better on defense. Metrics agree with me. Can care less about the past we in the present. Y’all was saying he was better than Jrue Holiday

You can move the goalposts all you want man.

Nobody is denying Dunn had a better defensive season this year

I think it takes more than one down year for Frank and one up year for Dunn to declare Dunn 10x the defender. Especially when he's been crazy underwhelming on that front for the rest of his career.

You’re moving the goal posts. My post was only about this year. You’re the one bringing up the past which I’m not even taking about.

But since you wanna go there. He was still better than him even last year.

The Bulls allowed 6.8 fewer points per 100 possessions when Dunn was on the floor, and Dunn finished 4th in the NBA in total steals with 101 – surpassed by Ben Simmons, Andre Drummond, and James Harden. He finished 4th in the league in deflections per game according to NBA.com – giving himself a real argument to be named to the league’s All-Defense team.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Frank can just get a consistent 3 he would be a pretty valuable role player. Even as is, he can be a useful bench piece. He is really not that far away.

He should be penciled in as a versatile G off the bench that can play both G spots. Want to see him in more lineups next to another PG.

I like him as a combo guard off the bench. That's his best role. We do need to address our long term starters though so we can finally end this madness of expecting Frank to be somebody he's not and asking for him to get more minutes than he really should be getting (20-24 mpg should be ideal and that's what he's been getting the last couple years) but it's clear what his role should be so now we need to just solve the issue with the actual starting backcourt.

Yea, we def need a starting PG and some shooters/playmakers...just more G talent in general. Then Frank can slide into that backup/complimentary role a little better.

Overall, Franks avg min look ok. I do think the Knicks have yanked players around a little too much and not given them consistent roles. That probably goes for everyone...Dotson, Mitch, etc. They play them out of position, or in bad lineups, different systems. Just in the last 3 years we have had 4 different coaches which doesnt help....basically, development here overall has been a mess and we really need to improve on that.

[Kampuchea]

you can't even get dunn for frank so it's pointless to talk about

Frank is terrible, Dunn is less terrible.

At least the Frank stans are now comparing him to players more on his level and the Jrue Holiday dream is dead. Next season we’ll be comparing Frank to players out of the league.

[bigfnjoe96]

Dunn V Frankfurters, I'll allow it!

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