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bishnykfan wrote:

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ANNOUNCEMENT

Unfortunately Brazillian Knick is no longer active on the site. He has not been on the forum in a month now and has not responded to numerous attempts to reach him from many BaF participants. I sincerely hope that all is well with him but considering that he has gone MIA now for 30+ days, including the start of our league year, without any notice, we will have to begin the process of replacing him and finding a new GM for the Miami Heat. I regret posting this and have tried putting it off for awhile because up until a month ago, BK was one of our most active GMs. I was definitely hoping that BK would be back.

But considering he isn't and there is no word from him, either on the site or off of it, the process of finding a new GM will begin. We have some time now so we will do this right. First off, nobody that has joined RealGM in the last 30 days will be considered. The new GM will need to have some history of activity on the board, preferably in a past BaT/BaF. There will be an actual vetting process done to ensure that we get the best candidate possible to fill the shoes of BK. Also, if BK does happen to return at any point before an official replacement is announced, then he will retain the duties of running the Heat.

If anyone knows of anyone that would be interested, have them PM me. I will take "applications" for the next week or so. Hopefully we can find someone that has a genuine interest in helping to build the league. I understand that not everyone can be as active as some, but moving forward, GM activity levels should rise. At least checking in once a week in season is going to be required unless there is a specific reason, communicated to me, that you would not be able to do so. Active GMs, both in-season and in the discussion thread during the offseason is a must to ensure the league thrives. Obviously, in the offseason, activity levels will not be required to remain as high. But still, GMs should be checking in fairly regularly to respond to PMs and vote on potential rule changes, etc. If that can not be done for whatever reason, communication will be key so people don't risk losing their teams.

Turning now to the last bit of disappointment with this whole process. A number of teams offseason plans were disrupted by BK's sudden disappearance. Three teams have communicated to me that they had deals done with Miami. Generally, no deal would be official unless both teams submitted the paperwork. In this instance though because of the situation, the GMs asked me to put it out to the league for a vote on how to proceed. They have each submitted their case for the moves that were made on their end in good faith. Please take a look at them and vote on how we, as a league, should proceed. As far as I can tell, we can allow all moves that BK approved if provable before he went AWOL, we can not allow any moves that were not officially submitted, or we can wait and allow the new GM to look the moves over and try and explain the situation to them before they officially take control of the team. Any other suggestions, feel free to let me know.

Their arguments can be found below:

Opening Statement:
Just before the opening of the season, Brazilianknick and I (NewEra) agreed upon a trade. Brazilianknick’s agreement to this trade was quoted and confirmed. (Proof has been submitted to the Commissioner.) I am requesting that our agreement be upheld, and approved. Please take some time to review my official argument. Thank you in advance.

My argument:
Prior to our trade, Brazilianknick requested a smaller contract in place of one that was initially offered to him. I then went out, and traded for a contract of Braz’s liking. This wasn’t easy. It took time and effort, but I got it done. This contract was included in the deal that Braz agreed to. Essentially, he made me trade a player in order to make the deal work, then unfortunately disappeared AFTER confirming the deal. (Proof has been submitted to the Commissioner.)

Brazilianknick’s sudden disappearance was concerning to many of us. As a result, with good intentions and purely out of concern, we made attempts to check on his well-being. Braz was witnessed liking and commenting on social media. Multiple GMs messaged him to check in, but shortly after, Braz chose to switch his account to private. Essentially ignoring us all.

Closing Statement:
This situation is new and unlike any other that has ever taken place. I don’t believe Braz was operating in “bad faith”. Braz never hinted to quitting BAF. Braz never announced that he was quitting. Braz and I have completed deals before. He has a history with me of being a GM of integrity. Prior to July 11th, absolutely nothing about his actions suggested otherwise.

However, because of Braz’s recent actions, my team has been left in a state of limbo. I made moves (at the request of Braz) for this particular deal to happen. I have solid proof of his agreement and confirmation of our trade.

I kindly ask that you all consider my arguments above as if this happened to you, and vote FOR my trade with BrazilianKnick to be approved by Commissioner Bishnykfan.

Thank you for your time.
Respectfully submitted-
Warriors GM,
NewEra

Him disappearing negatively affected my off season as I made a trade with another team in order to complete the deal with Braz. I also had to settle for a worse trade since I decided to move on.

Summary of my offseason:

I had agreed to a trade with Miami that drastically changed the "needs" of my roster which is why I agreed to 2 other trades that went through on the 1st day of the offseason. Trades that I most likely would not have made had I known the original trade was not going to happen. I've also seen opportunities to salvage the situation pass by because we didn't know what was going to happen with Miami. The time to go a different direction with my roster has come and gone because the best time to make these trades was right at the start of the offseason. As rosters have settled in it's going to be much harder to find a trade partner for the player(s) I was going to move to Miami.

Spoiler:

Right now we will need 14 GMs to approve these deals. As far as I can see we have:

FOR (5)- Det, LAC, Mem, NY, Sac

AGAINST (10)- Bos, Cha, Cle, Dal, Den, LAK, NO, Orl, SA, Tor

PROPOSAL TO AMEND NO TRADE CLAUSES

No trade clauses should be reserved for top of the league players who have earned that distinction.

- Proposal- To limit NTC's only to players receiving a minimum $100/year contract offer. Anyone not good enough to receive a contract of at least 10% of the salary cap should not be receiving a no trade clause.

BAF: Anti Tanking Rule

Due to the potential exploits of the SIM and playing players out of position to intentially get a certain result I am proposing a rule that limits the ability for a GM to exploit the SIM by playing a Center at PG or a PG at Center etc
...

I understand we need to allow our GM's to play guys they want to play (whether they are a team competing for the playoffs or a developing young team) so I don't want this rule to be subjective in terms of who should play and who shouldn't.

This rule proposal is strickly for playing guys out of position to achieve a desired result to lose.

Now I completly understand cross fuctional players such as LeBron, Giannis, Luka,and even someone like BAM playing poentially PG or discretely whoever the GM feels they are helping the team. To be clear this rule does not effect those types of players. So my adjustment to that as long as it is deemed reasonable and the ultimate goal was to help your team by our Commishiner (an impartial 3rd party) then it would be allowed. If the Commishiner deemed the move questionable you would have to write up a legit reason for him to allow you making this move.

This will at least eliminate
DJ Augistine playing center or Bobby Portis playing PG (just examples) which I feel is a complete violation of fair play within our game.

RULE CHANGE

Teams can only play players at the position designated by the sim +/- two spots in the lineup.

For example:

PG (1)- eligible to play 1-3 (PG/SG/SF)
SG (2)- eligible to play 1-4 (PG/SG/SF/PF)
SF (3)- eligible to play 1-5 (PG/SG/SF/PF/C)
PF (4)- eligible to play 2-5 (SG/SF/PF/C)
C (5)- eligible to play 3-5 (SF/PF/C)

Exceptions can be made for players who don't fit these parameters (like a LeBron or Giannis for example) if a request is made to the commissioner showing that the player has played the position that is not within the set of parameters in the rule. Basically this rule will stop teams subjectively from tanking by playing players clearly out of position (i.e. centers at point guard and point guard at center)

NewEra wrote:..

BK told me the Tobias deal fell through, so he moved on from it. I have proof of that (And can submit to Commissioner if it will affect your vote). So Smash’s deal should have absolutely nothing to do with mine, because BK moved on from it after Bish informed him it wasn’t legal. Again I have proof.

Smash3 wrote:

NewEra wrote:..

BK told me the Tobias deal fell through, so he moved on from it. I have proof of that (And can submit to Commissioner if it will affect your vote). So Smash’s deal should have absolutely nothing to do with mine, because BK moved on from it after Bish informed him it wasn’t legal. Again I have proof.

Just to clarify above. When we submitted it, Bish told us it wasn't legal because of a pick situation, so I told him to sit tight and I'll fix it, I fixed it in time for the official FA – but at that point he disappeared.

FOR (4)- Det, LAC, Mem, NY

AGAINST (9)- Bos, Cha, Cle, Den, LAK, NO, Orl, SA, Tor

2010 wrote:

bishnykfan wrote:

I was initially inclined to vote FOR these trades to be passed and I voiced that sentiment in private to NewEra. Mostly because I am big on the code of GM's honoring their handshake deals in best practices, and in good faith.

But upon hearing more details and the timeline of events from the commissioner, I think the right thing to do is to reverse course. Despite my personal views on honoring the code of GM-to-GM unofficial agreements, I am voting AGAINST these three trades for the following reasons:

• The commissioner has confirmed on July 1, 2020 during the trade moratorium, BK reached out to him with an inquiry (Miami | Portland) as per the legality of a potential deal. He did not reach out submitting an attempt for a trade to be processed. Upon inquiry he was informed the scenario would not be legal and he never followed-up with an attempt to submit a formal trade that fell within legal parameters. Therefore, the commissioner felt no need to inform him to resubmit the trade on Saturday, July 11th 2020 when the league's new season officially turned over

• BK also never submitted an inquiry, nor trade to the commissioner for the Miami | Atlanta and/or Miami | Golden State trade scenarios. So, as far as I can see, although those deals were agreed to in principle GM-to-GM, they were never pending trades submitted for commissioner review. The league has to receive the trade paperwork for a deal to be pending

• Although we frown upon GM's breaking handshake agreements, it would be presumptuous to assume BK doesn't reserve the right to change his mind and just deal with whatever backlash and repercussions may come with that choice. He simply may have been willing to say he decided against those deals upon further review, and down to take the bullets and periodical blackballing that resulted until he regained trust in his word to be bond

• As Depalma2002 stated, it makes sense that if one deal is to be passed, they all should be passed. Smash3 of the Portland TrailBlazers has already moved on, which makes this no longer feasible. Likewise, ribs of the Atlanta Hawks is looking for closure more than anything, so he can get on with his offseason roster construction. As much as I sympathize with NewEra of the Golden State Warriors, he having lost the most in this entire ordeal, removing all emotions from the decision, it is clear cut these moves were tied together. So if one trade doesn't pass, none should pass. If that ship has sailed for one, it must sail for all

• Going forward, this scenario will prove as a case study for the importance of constructing deals dependent on each other as multi-team trades whenever possible. Get creative or require additional compensation for requests to "stair-step" deals

• Lastly, it's in the league's best interest to remove all gray areas and keep the trade process, and system, as black and white as possible. The letter of the land must remain that a trade isn't a trade until all parties have agreed, sent in their agreements to Bish, had him vet the trade for legality, and formally announced it in the discussion thread

The facts compel me to vote AGAINST the trades.

If/when a new GM is appointed to the Miami Heat, he or she can re-engage in trade negotiations with the affected parties, should they choose to revisit it.

NewEra wrote:Deeez, Mecca, Swiss, Slicin, Kfan20, Kfan1992, Phish Tank, Wackbone, EZ, KOC, MProject, Jose, SOUL.

Where y’all at? YOUR VOTE COUNTS! Please review my case, and vote on whether or not you feel my trade with BK should be approved. THANK YOU!

FOR (4)- Det, LAC, Mem, NY

AGAINST (9)- Bos, Cha, Cle, Den, LAK, NO, Orl, SA, Tor

Him disappearing negatively affected my off season as I made a trade with another team in order to complete the deal with Braz. I also had to settle for a worse trade since I decided to move on.

Summary of my offseason:

I had agreed to a trade with Miami that drastically changed the "needs" of my roster which is why I agreed to 2 other trades that went through on the 1st day of the offseason. Trades that I most likely would not have made had I known the original trade was not going to happen. I've also seen opportunities to salvage the situation pass by because we didn't know what was going to happen with Miami. The time to go a different direction with my roster has come and gone because the best time to make these trades was right at the start of the offseason. As rosters have settled in it's going to be much harder to find a trade partner for the player(s) I was going to move to Miami.

I made moves (at the request of Braz) for this particular deal to happen.

Pooch, you need to understand something. Because apparently you feel like I’d be silly enough to make ALL my moves dependent upon my trade with BK. Well I didn’t. I would never do that. Trading Westbrook had nothing to do with the BK deal. Trading Gary Harris had nothing to do with the BK deal. Bish knows this as well.

ribs wrote:For the record, I did submit my trade with BK to Bish on June 16 after BK told me he thought Bish was accepting deals but just holding on to them until the offseason officially started.

I went ahead and sent it in and BK told me he did the same.

I never got a response from Bish saying the deal was not valid so I assumed it was all good.

In the previous thread I know you had mentioned you didn't think you got anything from me but I can send you the screenshots or whatever you need if it matters, Bish.

ribs wrote:For the record, I did submit my trade with BK to Bish on June 16 after BK told me he thought Bish was accepting deals but just holding on to them until the offseason officially started.

I went ahead and sent it in and BK told me he did the same.

I never got a response from Bish saying the deal was not valid so I assumed it was all good.

In the previous thread I know you had mentioned you didn't think you got anything from me but I can send you the screenshots or whatever you need if it matters, Bish.

El Poochio wrote:

Him disappearing negatively affected my off season as I made a trade with another team in order to complete the deal with Braz. I also had to settle for a worse trade since I decided to move on.

Summary of my offseason:

I had agreed to a trade with Miami that drastically changed the "needs" of my roster which is why I agreed to 2 other trades that went through on the 1st day of the offseason. Trades that I most likely would not have made had I known the original trade was not going to happen. I've also seen opportunities to salvage the situation pass by because we didn't know what was going to happen with Miami. The time to go a different direction with my roster has come and gone because the best time to make these trades was right at the start of the offseason. As rosters have settled in it's going to be much harder to find a trade partner for the player(s) I was going to move to Miami.

I made moves (at the request of Braz) for this particular deal to happen.

Pooch, you need to understand something. Because apparently you feel like I’d be silly enough to make ALL my moves dependent upon my trade with BK. Well I didn’t. I would never do that. Trading Westbrook had nothing to do with the BK deal. Trading Gary Harris had nothing to do with the BK deal. Bish knows this as well.

I dont even need to say anything. Look at the dude changing arguments mid air to circle on his prey

NewEra wrote:Sad to hear what happened to Isaac. He’s still young. Hopefully he comes back from this stronger than ever.

NewEra wrote:

El Poochio wrote:

Him disappearing negatively affected my off season as I made a trade with another team in order to complete the deal with Braz. I also had to settle for a worse trade since I decided to move on.

Summary of my offseason:

I had agreed to a trade with Miami that drastically changed the "needs" of my roster which is why I agreed to 2 other trades that went through on the 1st day of the offseason. Trades that I most likely would not have made had I known the original trade was not going to happen. I've also seen opportunities to salvage the situation pass by because we didn't know what was going to happen with Miami. The time to go a different direction with my roster has come and gone because the best time to make these trades was right at the start of the offseason. As rosters have settled in it's going to be much harder to find a trade partner for the player(s) I was going to move to Miami.

I made moves (at the request of Braz) for this particular deal to happen.

Pooch, you need to understand something. Because apparently you feel like I’d be silly enough to make ALL my moves dependent upon my trade with BK. Well I didn’t. I would never do that. Trading Westbrook had nothing to do with the BK deal. Trading Gary Harris had nothing to do with the BK deal. Bish knows this as well.

I dont even need to say anything. Look at the dude changing arguments mid air to circle on his prey

Braz requested that I trade a larger contract I had, because he preferred a smaller one in the deal. I did THAT at his request. Any other moves were not predicated upon my deal with BK.

I find you to be comedic GM, A funny guy who often brings humor to this thread, but don’t come on here accusing me of being a “vulture” or calling guys names because you disapprove. Simply make your vote and leave it as is.

The negativity isn’t needed.

bringbackhoffa wrote:

NewEra wrote:Sad to hear what happened to Isaac. He’s still young. Hopefully he comes back from this stronger than ever.

Maybe more time for Bamba?

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