2019-2020 College/Draft thread VII (Knicks own #8 pick, 10/16 DRAFT)

[jvsimonetti0514]

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Would you rather give Frank, Knox, and DSJR another shot or try to use them to acquire new picks in this draft?

[dakomish23]

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[moocow007]

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wiseman at 13. well damn.

At 13 he would be a steal. The more I thought about the hiring of Payne the more I started to look at Wiseman the more I asked myself why he couldn't play the 4 along side with Mitch. From the articles I have read they have his comparison as AD lite but doesnt AD prefer to play the 4 because of his skill set. Why not take him if he is available and have Payne work with him so he can actually reach that potential since AD was coached by Payne in Kentucky. I might be wrong since there isn't a substantial amount of data to prove what type of player he will be since he didn't play much last year much like Mitch didn't play college ball at all. If we cant land any of the top two players, I'd be more than happy with Wiseman. If he were to actually drop to that range (Which I highly doubt) I would package our first round pick from the Clippers and absorb some salary to help get us in that range.

Not sure about the AD lite thing but Wiseman without question has the potential to be the best player in this draft...BY FAR. The question isn't about his physical tools or his basketball skills, it's about whether he's closer to a Michael Olowakandi or an Alonzo Mourning from a mindset standpoint. That's his realistic range which is pretty huge. You take Wiseman top of the draft and his mentality doesn't come close to matching the physical tools and basketball skills potential, you could be on the hook for drafting the next Olowakandi which will likely get you fired. I think that's the reason why folks are afraid of taking him at the top of the draft. But at 13? That's way too low IMO. My expectation is that Wiseman will go in the top 5 just based on sheer and utter physical tools and skill set potential. It's interesting that Wiseman has been so hyped as one of those near perfect generational talents, that him basically acting like any of the lesser hyped 19 year olds is actually being viewed as a negative when it should just not be a positive (him being a typical 19 year old). It's a real weird double standard that folks for whatever reason are just buying into hook, line and sinker. I still have Ball, Edwards, Wiseman and Okongwu as the 4 top guys (in no particular order) from an overall big board standpoint. All 4 of these guys have tremendous upside (people keep pidgeon holing Okongwu either hasn't watched him play or doesn't understand what he can become and instead is just assuming he's a "defensive big") AND can contribute right away in some manner. Everyone else either isn't ready to contribute or doesn't have the realistic upside (or both). For the Knicks guys that have the best upside that ALSO can contribute right away would be gold for them and exactly what they need. If the Knicks end up with a top pick I would expect that it would be one of these 4 guys that will be wearing blue and orange next season even if the fit isn't there as the draft is clearly not the only channel that the Knicks will be going to build a team.

[jvsimonetti0514]

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[NewYorkPride85]

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wiseman at 13. well damn.

At 13 he would be a steal. The more I thought about the hiring of Payne the more I started to look at Wiseman the more I asked myself why he couldn't play the 4 along side with Mitch. From the articles I have read they have his comparison as AD lite but doesnt AD prefer to play the 4 because of his skill set. Why not take him if he is available and have Payne work with him so he can actually reach that potential since AD was coached by Payne in Kentucky. I might be wrong since there isn't a substantial amount of data to prove what type of player he will be since he didn't play much last year much like Mitch didn't play college ball at all. If we cant land any of the top two players, I'd be more than happy with Wiseman. If he were to actually drop to that range (Which I highly doubt) I would package our first round pick from the Clippers and absorb some salary to help get us in that range.

Not sure about the AD lite thing but Wiseman without question has the potential to be the best player in this draft...BY FAR. The question isn't about his physical tools or his basketball skills, it's about whether he's closer to a Michael Olowakandi or an Alonzo Mourning from a mindset standpoint. That's his realistic range which is pretty huge. You take Wiseman top of the draft and his mentality doesn't come close to matching the physical tools and basketball skills potential, you could be on the hook for drafting the next Olowakandi which will likely get you fired. I think that's the reason why folks are afraid of taking him at the top of the draft. But at 13? That's way too low IMO. My expectation is that Wiseman will go in the top 5 just based on sheer and utter physical tools and skill set potential. It's interesting that Wiseman has been so hyped that him basically him acting like any of the lesser hyped 19 year olds is actually being viewed as a negative when it should just not be a positive (him being a typical 19 year old). It's a real weird double standard that folks for whatever reason are just buying into hook, line and sinker. I still have Ball, Edwards, Wiseman and Okongwu as the 4 top guys (in no particular order) from an overall big board standpoint. All 4 of these guys have tremendous upside (people keep pidgeon holing Okongwu either hasn't watched him play or doesn't understand what he can become and instead is just assuming he's a "defensive shortish big") AND can contribute right away in some manner. Everyone else either isn't ready to contribute or doesn't have the realistic upside (or both).

Can't deny anything you're saying. It really is a crap shoot. If he does have the mentality of RJ and he was still on the board then I'd run to the podium to announce him as our pick myself. We knew nothing about Mitch or his mindset and even if he acts like a goof at times, he still has desire which you can see in his game. On the flipside you have Knox who has all the physical attributes to be great but the desire is clearly not there. Hopefully we can get some inside knowledge about him from RJ since they are really close.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Wiretap says Warriors would go Edwards at number 1. I don’t think they’d need to smoke screen if they wanted wiseman since a lot of the lottery teams are set at the 5.

[thebuzzardman]

Only 2 days before Knick fans become wildly disappointed in the draft order!

[Dantares]

Devin Vassell is the perfect fit next to RJ Barrett. He's like an Ariza/Jeremi Grant 3 and D type player

- High motor
- Moves without the ball. great cutter that also fills the lanes on fast breaks. speedy too so he can get easy dunks
- great catch and shoot player
- Long wingspan
- great defenseive skills
- Does not need the ball in his hands to be effective
- Shotblocker

I really hope he is there if the knicks fall to 7th or 8th. I know another 3 and D guy deandre hunter was the 4th pick last year which was too high IMO. If we can nab vassell at 7th that would be a steal IMO

[Richard4444]

Only 2 days before Knick fans become wildly disappointed in the draft order!

Why are we going to be disappointed about the draft order 4 days before the lottery?

[3toheadmelo]

DX has updated its best available players which is basically a big board. Precious Achiuwa is now #10. Keep sleeping though lol

[Richard4444]

DX has updated its best available players which is basically a big board. Precious Achiuwa is now #10. Keep sleeping though lol

I hope we dont draft Precious. He needs a team with better spacing and be around shooters. He also could enjoy a one year in G League until find his range. Here, he will look atrocious with everybody bumping each other on the paint. He would never be sent to g-league here.

DX doenst like Vassel (15), Kira (25), and Terry (39). I hope our rivals share DX thoughts...

[thebuzzardman]

Only 2 days before Knick fans become wildly disappointed in the draft order!

Why are we going to be disappointed about the draft order 4 days before the lottery?

To be proactive, obviously.

[robillionaire]

DX has updated its best available players which is basically a big board. Precious Achiuwa is now #10. Keep sleeping though lol

he might be good but if we take him with our top 10 pick i'll be furious

[Deeeez Knicks]

Only 2 days before Knick fans become wildly disappointed in the draft order!

6 days?

Although in 2 days I am sure we will be disappointed in something

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I don’t know if it’s the KP hire or the Post article but I’m becoming more intrigued with Tyrese Maxey as a dark horse candidate outside the top 4.

[Richard4444]

I don’t know if it’s the KP hire or the Post article but I’m becoming more intrigued with Tyrese Maxey as a dark horse candidate outside the top 4.

Will we really use KP to refer to Kenny Payne??

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I don’t know if it’s the KP hire or the Post article but I’m becoming more intrigued with Tyrese Maxey as a dark horse candidate outside the top 4.

Will we really use KP to refer to Kenny Payne??

KPayne. My bad.

[robillionaire]

I don’t know if it’s the KP hire or the Post article but I’m becoming more intrigued with Tyrese Maxey as a dark horse candidate outside the top 4.

Will we really use KP to refer to Kenny Payne??

yes, he is KP. I know of no other ones

[3toheadmelo]

DX has updated its best available players which is basically a big board. Precious Achiuwa is now #10. Keep sleeping though lol

he might be good but if we take him with our top 10 pick i'll be furious

I doubt we’ll pick him at 6-8 range but I was just pointing out that Precious is being slept on imo. Also DX has Haliburton ahead of Hayes still which I find interesting.

[Richard4444]

Would you rather give Frank, Knox, and DSJR another shot or try to use them to acquire new picks in this draft?

Depends on the picks

Let’s say Knox gets you 25 Frank 31 and DSJR gets you 45?

Yes. I would trade all of them.

Knox for Kira/Terry/Tyrese/Poku/Theo

Frank for Bolmaro/Mannion/Smith/Ramsey

Dennis for anyone - Salary dump move.