Pointgod wrote: mpharris36 wrote:
I think all that is fair. He may not have been aggressive towards the Police. But the police were told on the police audio that Jacob Blake was not suppose to be at that house (I assume a restraining order). And he has an active warrant for a sexual assault. So the police just can't let him go.
Here’s a comment from the guy who recorded it
I guess in the process of arresting him for that active warrant he started resisting arrest (as we see in the other angle of the video). The police tried to taser and tackle him (they simply need to be better at de-escalations). But at that point walking away from a officer pointing a gun at you and going into your car...at that point anything can happen.
Even if he didn't have a gun, you can't just let him drive away.
But my issue with the officers is letting it get to that point. If there are multiple officers there you need to restrain the man and if you can't well then they need to find better ways to restrain someone (I don't know specifically what that would be but I'm open to any and all possibilities) without shooting there weapon and I firmly believe that.
I’m not claiming that you’re doing this but here’s the biggest problem. There’s a fundamental misunderstanding to paint it as a binary choice. I haven’t seen anyone saying that the Jacob Blake should have been arrested but it’s about the escalation to use of deadly force. And that’s what the conversation should focus on. But conversation gets sidetracked because people dont like speaking to the fact that when it comes to black people use of force is often encouraged and justified by certain segments of the population.
While I do respect and understand a lot of these points. I think where some people have difficulty understanding is because I assume you don't have any active warrants just like myself. But I think that does play a part in terms of resisting arrest. If it was a simple domestic dispute and nothing got physical my thought is the cops wouldn't have been called to the residence and they would have just ironed out the problem.
His girlfriend (I don't know he exact relation to him) but she obviously was concerned enough to call the police and the the police showed up. I don't think I or most other people are encouraging force. What I am saying if you have done nothing wrong and comply then you shouldn't have issues. Now if you have issues and run into one of those awful cops then hopefully you have that stuff on camera and you can sue the sh*t out of the police office for everything they have and I would be right there with you supporting.
The misunderstanding is not justifying force its understanding there are differences of people that continue to break the law. Do you know many criminals that just walk to police precincts and just turn themselves in for doing criminal activity. A lot of time escalation happens because they don't want to be arrested a lot of times for prior incidents. I think a great example was the Brooks case. Brooks and the police officer couldn't have been more civil to each other. But the minute the cops said we had to arrest you with he wanted no part of that. The cops simply just can't let you go home for being intoxicated driving a vehicle. It doesn't work that way. I'm not excusing what happened after those events. I'm just pointing out how can something go from being that civil to having a wwe brawl on the ground?
So while I 100% agree that prior incidents don't mean that a certain interaction should turn lethal. I am saying that if you know you are being arrested and the likehood is you will get significant jail time you probably will react a different way then someone who doesn't have a checkered past. So now you are putting the onus on the police officers to make judgement calls and with me having a family I would never put them in a position to make a judgement call on there safety because I wouldn't put them in that position in the first place.
But as far as it being justified we can discuss that all day and hopefully find better ways to detain and de-escalate situations. I am 100% all for that and open to any potential solutions that keep the situation from not getting lethal.