George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2

[Fat Kat]

"A high school teacher suggested Kyle Rittenhouse — charged with killing two during Wisconsin protests — was a possible hero alongside Gandhi and Malcolm X" - if that's what they teach them in Texas schools (and across the red states), no wonder they're stupid enough to love Trump. Do their teachers even have GEDs?

Gotta watch the school boards down here. Not long ago they tried rebranding enslaved Africans as “involuntary immigrants” in textbooks.

[HarthorneWingo]

"A high school teacher suggested Kyle Rittenhouse — charged with killing two during Wisconsin protests — was a possible hero alongside Gandhi and Malcolm X" - if that's what they teach them in Texas schools (and across the red states), no wonder they're stupid enough to love Trump. Do their teachers even have GEDs?

Gotta watch the school boards down here. Not long ago they tried rebranding enslaved Africans as “involuntary immigrants in textbooks.

Yeah, no one will figure that one out. How about “America’s minority employment program”?

[HarthorneWingo]

Here's a video of an arrest that took place and now is the subject of a civil rights lawsuit. I once had an officer enter my home without knocking simply because the door wasn't opened. Not a pleasant experience. Just pointing out that cops are **** to white people too, occasionally. The reason is because it's just a power trip for them. But then you add in the racist component and that's were things really get out of hand. I know. I have a racist crazy cousin who got a job as an P/O in Delray Beach, FLA who got fired to beating a Black suspect/prisoner without justification. I'm shocked he got passed the psychological.

These officers here were more measured in their response though I'm not good with just entering his home with guns drawn.

Thoughts?

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[Fat Kat]

Here's a video of an arrest that took place and now is the subject of a civil rights lawsuit. I once had an officer enter my home without knocking simply because the door wasn't opened. Not a pleasant experience. Just pointing out that cops are **** to white people too, occasionally. The reason is because it's just a power trip for them. But then you add in the racist component and that's were things really get out of hand. I know. I have a racist crazy cousin who got a job as an P/O in Delray Beach, FLA who got fired to beating a Black suspect/prisoner without justification. I'm shocked he got passed the psychological.

These officers here were more measured in their response though I'm not good with just entering his home with guns drawn.

Thoughts?

Watch on YouTube

I saw this the other day. Is the woman who called the police subject to any form of punishment?

[Pointgod]

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[Oscirus]

Murdering black people in their sleep is cool, just dont let the bullets leave the apartment

[HarthorneWingo]

Here's a video of an arrest that took place and now is the subject of a civil rights lawsuit. I once had an officer enter my home without knocking simply because the door wasn't opened. Not a pleasant experience. Just pointing out that cops are **** to white people too, occasionally. The reason is because it's just a power trip for them. But then you add in the racist component and that's were things really get out of hand. I know. I have a racist crazy cousin who got a job as an P/O in Delray Beach, FLA who got fired to beating a Black suspect/prisoner without justification. I'm shocked he got passed the psychological.

These officers here were more measured in their response though I'm not good with just entering his home with guns drawn.

Thoughts?

Watch on YouTube

I saw this the other day. Is the woman who called the police subject to any form of punishment?

In this particular case probably not so long as she didn’t embellish the story. I’d need to know exactly what she said in the 911 call.

Frankly, I thought the police officers actions were pretty reckless by just walking into the house - without a warrant with guns drawn, ready to shoot and kill a black man ... or get themselves shot up.

[HarthorneWingo]

Murdering black people in their sleep is cool, just dont let the bullets leave the apartment

Pretty much. This is unacceptable, among other things. Did the local DA conduct this grand jury or was a special prosecutor assigned?

And people wonder why cops are now targets. The bad cops are endangering the “good ones.”

[Pointgod]

Murdering black people in their sleep is cool, just dont let the bullets leave the apartment

Pretty much. This is unacceptable, among other things. Did the local DA conduct this grand jury or was a special prosecutor assigned?

And people wonder why cops are now targets. The bad cops are endangering the “good ones.”

Oh boy. You’re in for a doozy when you find out who the AG is that brought the bogus charges.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/515766-kentucky-ag-daniel-cameron-says-hes-honored-to-appear-on-trumps

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron (R) said on Wednesday that he was honored to be mentioned by President Trump as a potential nominee to serve on the Supreme Court.

[Fo-Real]

Not trying to stir people but the level of misinformation even at this point is insane. Tatumreport.com has a FULL REPORT, its very long but to be fully informed about every truth and aspect instead of half truths and social media testimonials is important as an adult. Not trying to change opinions or minds, just highlighting information, I hate to see people spout untruths about facts.

[SelbyCobra]

Murdering black people in their sleep is cool, just dont let the bullets leave the apartment

Pretty much. This is unacceptable, among other things. Did the local DA conduct this grand jury or was a special prosecutor assigned?

And people wonder why cops are now targets. The bad cops are endangering the “good ones.”

Oh boy. You’re in for a doozy when you find out who the AG is that brought the bogus charges.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/515766-kentucky-ag-daniel-cameron-says-hes-honored-to-appear-on-trumps

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron (R) said on Wednesday that he was honored to be mentioned by President Trump as a potential nominee to serve on the Supreme Court.

Dude, he spoke at the RNC this year and came up under Mitch McConnell, that's all the information needed to understand how this situation was going to be handled.

[robillionaire]

Not trying to stir people but the level of misinformation even at this point is insane. Tatumreport.com has a FULL REPORT, its very long but to be fully informed about every truth and aspect instead of half truths and social media testimonials is important as an adult. Not trying to change opinions or minds, just highlighting information, I hate to see people spout untruths about facts.

stfu and gtfo

[Fo-Real]

Not trying to stir people but the level of misinformation even at this point is insane. Tatumreport.com has a FULL REPORT, its very long but to be fully informed about every truth and aspect instead of half truths and social media testimonials is important as an adult. Not trying to change opinions or minds, just highlighting information, I hate to see people spout untruths about facts.

stfu and gtfo

You can be mad, not trying to change your feelings...just pushing information and fact.

[robillionaire]

Not trying to stir people but the level of misinformation even at this point is insane. Tatumreport.com has a FULL REPORT, its very long but to be fully informed about every truth and aspect instead of half truths and social media testimonials is important as an adult. Not trying to change opinions or minds, just highlighting information, I hate to see people spout untruths about facts.

stfu and gtfo

You can be mad, just pushing information.

your copaganda has been noted, now go back

[Fo-Real]

stfu and gtfo

You can be mad, just pushing information.

your copaganda has been noted, now go back

God bless young man. Gonna hang out and watch a bit.

[HarthorneWingo]

I have to admit, I had not followed the details of Breonna Taylor's case. I thought the officer's broke into the wrong residence and just started shooting. I have since learned the following which, to me, are not good facts for the prosecution. They are:

1. That the PD obtained a warrant for that address based on the allegations/investigative facts regarding criminal drug activity at that residence. I do not know if what is contained in the warrant is true or false, at this point but taking it on its face, it permits the officers to conduct a search of the residence for drugs, guns, proceeds, etc.

2. That, according to the Warrant, the ex-boyfriend was currently doing drug business at this address.

3. That the officers were shot at first and then responded to shots fired at them.

These are obstacles for a prosecution attempt to prove murder 2 beyond a reasonable doubt in a case that will be tried before a state court judge who holds its seat by winning an election it, in all livelihood, received gracious campaign contributions from the police unions.

I welcome anyone to correct my information if it is wrong.

[BKlutch]

You send a team of mental health emergency assessment professionals Who are trained to deal with the situation. You certainly don’t put a spit big over his head and suffocate him to death. I hope we can agree on this part of the incident.

I think the state AG’s office should conduct a criminal investigation of the officers. The PD also needs to do a very transparent investigation overseen by the Chief and the Mayor.

I think the officers should lose their jobs. Supervisors and dispatchers head may be on the block too. I have a hard time believing that there is not enough evidence for a successful prosecution. There is certainly evidence of callous disregard for human life, criminal recklessness.

Then, after municipality pays the Prude estate a large sum of money, it needs to figure out to better respond to these mental health emergencies. That function should be taken away from the local police. Particularly if no weapon is alleged to be involved.

This is yet another example of why we need to defund the police. At the very least, the police are not competent to understand the nature of the behavior they’re witnessing And having to deal with. The police do one thing. They make arrests. They are not here to help you.

Did you see the police shooting of the autistic boy whose mother called 911 and asked for a mental health emergency response unit and told the dispatcher that that her son was not a danger and do not have a weapon? I believe I posted the story earlier in this thread. The PF sent the wrong unit which shot the boy up while was running scared from them.

This wasn't a mental health issue. He was high. In either case you also have to send the police in case he becomes dangerous. But yeah, a different type of response needs to be given.

No reason for Daniel Prude or the autistic boy to have ended up dead.

If juries won't convict on regular charges maybe we need separate cop charges for these types of things. Something has to happen to them. Something substantial.

Being high is still a mental health episode requiring professionals bc police don’t have that necessary knowledge. Also, I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be any police response. I have no problem assigning a police unit to work as part of that unit but under the direction of a professional. I should’ve made that clear.

But I appreciate you

Sometimes, "The Police" is not a uniform entity. There are mature officers and those who are really more like overgrown kids. Some officers are for creating "peace" and others are too macho to think beyond their need to be tough. I'm sure there is some good in the worst cops, and vice versa.

One example is a friend who worked for years in the Bellevue Hospital ER. Whenever a psych patient had to be escorted there by the police, the police disarmed and locked their weapons for the duration of the time they were in the psych ER. Over a period of years, he said that there were a few incidents per year where an agiatated patient grabbed a gun from an officer. In each and every case, it was when the officer had refused to disarm. Their sargeants were always happy to tell them they had to do this, but incidents sometimes occurred before the macho officer could get the message. OTOH, hundreds of patients were brought in by police who did great work. So we have to be careful and look at individuals. Rules and regs should support the vast majority while attempting to corral the outliers who ruin it for everyone. It probably means new training, better evaluation of those who aren't really suited to this work, and improving respect in the force for all minorities, whether based on race, physical ability, mental ability, etc. I'm sure there is room for improvement, but it's rare to find somebody capable of insituting good change.

After all, every person of color needs to feel protected by the police as much as whites do. We can't ignore the challenges and forgive those crimes some officers commit, but I'm too old to think we can do without police.

My 7 black belts don't being to protect me from bullets.

[Pointgod]

I have to admit, I had not followed the details of Breonna Taylor's case. I thought the officer's broke into the wrong residence and just started shooting. I have since learned the following which, to me, are not good facts for the prosecution. They are:

1. That the PD obtained a warrant for that address based on the allegations/investigative facts regarding criminal drug activity at that residence. I do not know if what is contained in the warrant is true or false, at this point but taking it on its face, it permits the officers to conduct a search of the residence for drugs, guns, proceeds, etc.

2. That, according to the Warrant, the ex-boyfriend was currently doing drug business at this address.

3. That the officers were shot at first and then responded to shots fired at them.

These are obstacles for a prosecution attempt to prove murder 2 beyond a reasonable doubt in a case that will be tried before a state court judge who holds its seat by winning an election it, in all livelihood, received gracious campaign contributions from the police unions.

I welcome anyone to correct my information if it is wrong.

Here is a article that presents facts and debunks some claims both against Taylor and the police.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/

You’re a lawyer so help me understand this. Taylor’s boyfriend had a right to stand his ground and protect his house. He said he didn’t hear the police announce themselves. You can listen to the 911 call no where does he say police killed his girlfriend, he indicates it was intruders. There are other neighbors that said the police didn’t announce themselves. The AG used the testimony of one neighbor who said he heard the police announce themselves. They say a DA can indict a ham sandwich. How does the DA not charge for lesser charge like involuntary manslaughter? We’re talking about charging documents not the actual trial?

[HarthorneWingo]

I have to admit, I had not followed the details of Breonna Taylor's case. I thought the officer's broke into the wrong residence and just started shooting. I have since learned the following which, to me, are not good facts for the prosecution. They are:

1. That the PD obtained a warrant for that address based on the allegations/investigative facts regarding criminal drug activity at that residence. I do not know if what is contained in the warrant is true or false, at this point but taking it on its face, it permits the officers to conduct a search of the residence for drugs, guns, proceeds, etc.

2. That, according to the Warrant, the ex-boyfriend was currently doing drug business at this address.

3. That the officers were shot at first and then responded to shots fired at them.

These are obstacles for a prosecution attempt to prove murder 2 beyond a reasonable doubt in a case that will be tried before a state court judge who holds its seat by winning an election it, in all livelihood, received gracious campaign contributions from the police unions.

I welcome anyone to correct my information if it is wrong.

Here is a article that presents facts and debunks some claims both against Taylor and the police.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/

You’re a lawyer so help me understand this. Taylor’s boyfriend had a right to stand his ground and protect his house. He said he didn’t hear the police announce themselves. You can listen to the 911 call no where does he say police killed his girlfriend, he indicates it was intruders. There are other neighbors that said the police didn’t announce themselves. The AG used the testimony of one neighbor who said he heard the police announce themselves. They say a DA can indict a ham sandwich. How does the DA not charge for lesser charge like involuntary manslaughter? We’re talking about charging documents not the actual trial?

1. Taylor was never charged with a crime, to my knowledge. If was was/is, your point goes to his defense, i.e. that he did not know that he shot at officers, etc. The GJ against the officers was to determine if they should be charged with murder.

2. The "no-knock," if legal in the state of Kentucky, is a complete defense to any attempt to charge the officers with murder. Remember, that the officers responded to gunfire from a possible perpetrator they had reason to believe was still in the house.

There probably will/should be an investigation into the contents of the Warrant to determine whether or not any fabricated/false evidence was included in it.

[mpharris36]

I have to admit, I had not followed the details of Breonna Taylor's case. I thought the officer's broke into the wrong residence and just started shooting. I have since learned the following which, to me, are not good facts for the prosecution. They are:

1. That the PD obtained a warrant for that address based on the allegations/investigative facts regarding criminal drug activity at that residence. I do not know if what is contained in the warrant is true or false, at this point but taking it on its face, it permits the officers to conduct a search of the residence for drugs, guns, proceeds, etc.

2. That, according to the Warrant, the ex-boyfriend was currently doing drug business at this address.

3. That the officers were shot at first and then responded to shots fired at them.

These are obstacles for a prosecution attempt to prove murder 2 beyond a reasonable doubt in a case that will be tried before a state court judge who holds its seat by winning an election it, in all livelihood, received gracious campaign contributions from the police unions.

I welcome anyone to correct my information if it is wrong.

its a situation where the "no knock warrant" was at fault and its tragic it led to her death.

Whether we want to believe the cops or Mr. Walker on if they announced themselves or not legally if they had a "no knock" they didn't have to. So murder goes right out the window which some people don't seem to understand for justice for her as terrible as that sounds...legally there is no precedence.

Its the same reason Mr. Walker isn't getting charged with shooting a cop first (he had every right to defend his house and is a legal gun owner and felt threatened). The situation just was horrific in general which could have been avoided and I understand people wanting justice but the officers in legal remifications did nothing wrong to in terms of the warrant/response to being shot. They showed up for a legit warrant (where there have seized guns in the past from other bust in related cases), they were shot at, they returned fire...I don't think you can expect the cops not to try and defend themselves after being shot at, its just horrible Breonna getting killed was a result of a "no knock warrant".