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George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2

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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#261 » by Polk377 » Tue Oct 6, 2020 9:05 pm

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exactly. JUST because something is LAWFUL does not make it right or just. Too many atrocities have been perpetrated by people who were "JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS." I'm sure the guys working at death camps were Just Following Orders. They fell in line with the "Rules of Conduct." which allowed them to continue the atrocities. Yeah, that's a Gross example but, its accurate too.


Like I said, I believe in reforming the laws so these types of situations are less likely to occur. What I can't support is the over politicizing of this case that is causing cities to burn down in it's name when in facts it is still lawful. You don't change opinion with exteme violence, you just create division.


But it’s not just “this case.” You have to look at it in context of the Black experience in America. I don’t think you can separate this out.


It really depends on what we are comparing that experience to. Is the Black experience better or worse in America in comparison to the treatment of black people in Europe, Asia or Africa? In that context I would say it is better, is it not? Now Is it perfect in America? No, but can it really ever be for anyone? That is the problem. We are working with generalities and social constructs that are hard to quantify because it is based on a feeling without taking other things into consideration.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

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Like I said, I believe in reforming the laws so these types of situations are less likely to occur. What I can't support is the over politicizing of this case that is causing cities to burn down in it's name when in facts it is still lawful. You don't change opinion with exteme violence, you just create division.


But it’s not just “this case.” You have to look at it in context of the Black experience in America. I don’t think you can separate this out.


It really depends on what we are comparing that experience to. Is the Black experience better or worse in America in comparison to the treatment of black people in Europe, Asia or Africa? In that context I would say it is better, is it not? Now Is it perfect in America? No, but can it really ever be for anyone? That is the problem. We are working with generalities and social constructs that are hard to quantify because it is based on a feeling without taking other things into consideration.



I see no need to have to make those comparisons.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#263 » by Polk377 » Tue Oct 6, 2020 9:17 pm

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But it’s not just “this case.” You have to look at it in context of the Black experience in America. I don’t think you can separate this out.


It really depends on what we are comparing that experience to. Is the Black experience better or worse in America in comparison to the treatment of black people in Europe, Asia or Africa? In that context I would say it is better, is it not? Now Is it perfect in America? No, but can it really ever be for anyone? That is the problem. We are working with generalities and social constructs that are hard to quantify because it is based on a feeling without taking other things into consideration.



I see no need to have to make those comparisons.


Why though? it matters in the broader context. Instead of tearing down the country with radicalism and calling everyone a racist that doesn't believe in those radical ideas. Understanding and agreeing that this is still the country that gives people of color the most freedoms and opportunity in the world is a starting point. We need to find common ground to have civil discord to progress. Radicalism is counter productive to the cause because it is creating more separation and creating a stronger counter radical response.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#264 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Oct 7, 2020 12:12 am

The loser St. Louis MAGA couple who pointed their guns at protestors and who spoke at the RNC have been indicted by a grand jury.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#266 » by Polk377 » Wed Oct 7, 2020 7:08 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:White couple that waved guns at BLM protestors indicted by grand jury.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/grand-jury-indicts-st-louis-couple-who-waved-guns-at-anti-racism-protestors_n_5f7cd88ec5b6e5aba0d1827d


This is such a sham. The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. They were not protestors, they were truspassors. The couple had every right by law to protect their property.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#267 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Oct 7, 2020 8:18 am

Polk377 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:White couple that waved guns at BLM protestors indicted by grand jury.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/grand-jury-indicts-st-louis-couple-who-waved-guns-at-anti-racism-protestors_n_5f7cd88ec5b6e5aba0d1827d


This is such a sham. The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. They were not protestors, they were truspassors. The couple had every right by law to protect their property.



The couple was inducted by a grand jury. You weren’t there so you really don’t know what happened. Let’s see what happens at the trial.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#268 » by rammagen » Wed Oct 7, 2020 12:58 pm

Polk377 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:White couple that waved guns at BLM protestors indicted by grand jury.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/grand-jury-indicts-st-louis-couple-who-waved-guns-at-anti-racism-protestors_n_5f7cd88ec5b6e5aba0d1827d


This is such a sham. The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. They were not protestors, they were truspassors. The couple had every right by law to protect their property.


Wrong if you are in danger of your lives you dont go waving guns at people walking by. You stay inside call the police. Property can be replaced we have insurance to pay for damages and legal recourse for those who break the lay.

In this case the couple waved guns (hopefully not loaded) at people walking, were the people walking in the wrong for going thru private property yes but the people with the waving guns are worse. They endangered lives that can not be replaced.
Put it this way they endangered lifes what is worse?
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Post#269 » by rammagen » Wed Oct 7, 2020 1:01 pm

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But it’s not just “this case.” You have to look at it in context of the Black experience in America. I don’t think you can separate this out.


It really depends on what we are comparing that experience to. Is the Black experience better or worse in America in comparison to the treatment of black people in Europe, Asia or Africa? In that context I would say it is better, is it not? Now Is it perfect in America? No, but can it really ever be for anyone? That is the problem. We are working with generalities and social constructs that are hard to quantify because it is based on a feeling without taking other things into consideration.



I see no need to have to make those comparisons.

Exactly if I lived in another country I would be concerned but I live here in the States so I am concerned about what happens here.
I think the root of the issue is that this country was founded and I hate the term white privilege's on the backs of others. Now the other are starting to become the majority and really the minorities in this country have a larger share and voice in how this country is governed with out being attacked.

So "in context" in that I live here and I am a minority I am concerned about here and now and what changes I can influence to make the place I live better for my family and friends no matter of race, religion and creed
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#270 » by Pointgod » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:18 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:White couple that waved guns at BLM protestors indicted by grand jury.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/grand-jury-indicts-st-louis-couple-who-waved-guns-at-anti-racism-protestors_n_5f7cd88ec5b6e5aba0d1827d


This is such a sham. The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. They were not protestors, they were truspassors. The couple had every right by law to protect their property.



The couple was inducted by a grand jury. You weren’t there so you really don’t know what happened. Let’s see what happens at the trial.


Just goes to show you that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich if they want to. Absolutely **** on the argument that Daniel Cameron made that the grand jury decided not to charge the cops that killed Taylor.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#271 » by Pointgod » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:46 pm

rammagen wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:White couple that waved guns at BLM protestors indicted by grand jury.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/grand-jury-indicts-st-louis-couple-who-waved-guns-at-anti-racism-protestors_n_5f7cd88ec5b6e5aba0d1827d


This is such a sham. The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. They were not protestors, they were truspassors. The couple had every right by law to protect their property.


Wrong if you are in danger of your lives you dont go waving guns at people walking by. You stay inside call the police. Property can be replaced we have insurance to pay for damages and legal recourse for those who break the lay.

In this case the couple waved guns (hopefully not loaded) at people walking, were the people walking in the wrong for going thru private property yes but the people with the waving guns are worse. They endangered lives that can not be replaced.
Put it this way they endangered lifes what is worse?


Facts is that the protestors didn’t go onto their property.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53891184

According to analysis by St Louis Post-Dispatch investigative reporter Jeremy Kohler, video evidence does not show the protesters crossing onto the McCloskeys' property, remaining instead on the sidewalks and in the roadway.
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Post#272 » by rammagen » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:38 pm

Pointgod wrote:
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Polk377 wrote:
This is such a sham. The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. They were not protestors, they were truspassors. The couple had every right by law to protect their property.


Wrong if you are in danger of your lives you dont go waving guns at people walking by. You stay inside call the police. Property can be replaced we have insurance to pay for damages and legal recourse for those who break the lay.

In this case the couple waved guns (hopefully not loaded) at people walking, were the people walking in the wrong for going thru private property yes but the people with the waving guns are worse. They endangered lives that can not be replaced.
Put it this way they endangered lifes what is worse?


Facts is that the protestors didn’t go onto their property.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53891184

According to analysis by St Louis Post-Dispatch investigative reporter Jeremy Kohler, video evidence does not show the protesters crossing onto the McCloskeys' property, remaining instead on the sidewalks and in the roadway.


Then the couple is in the wrong. You simply do not go around waving guns and endangering people. This is the issue with Trump tweets it empowers people to believe they have some sort of special entitlement past common sense.

Like the kid in Kenosha he was not in his neighbor hood ,the militia he was part of was not empowered by the government to do any sort of action and he was too young to carry.
His parents should be held accountable for his actions as well, his mother dropped him off and knew he had a gun, so now his life is ruined, his parents lives are ruined and 2 people are dead because the parents and kid did not exercise common sense.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#273 » by NYKAL » Wed Oct 7, 2020 6:22 pm

If they were wrong why were the charges dropped against the husband. BECAUSE his actions were LAWFUL. Too bad he wasn't a better marksman who could have taken out all those **** before his wife was murdered.
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#274 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Oct 7, 2020 9:49 pm

Pointgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
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This is such a sham. The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. They were not protestors, they were truspassors. The couple had every right by law to protect their property.



The couple was inducted by a grand jury. You weren’t there so you really don’t know what happened. Let’s see what happens at the trial.


Just goes to show you that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich if they want to. Absolutely **** on the argument that Daniel Cameron made that the grand jury decided not to charge the cops that killed Taylor.



Who do you want charged with murder?
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Re: George Floyd (and aftermath): Part 2 

Post#275 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Oct 8, 2020 6:34 am

:nonono: it appears that the 9mm shot was from friendly fire and not Taylor’s boyfriend.

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Post#276 » by DickGrayson » Thu Oct 8, 2020 1:59 pm

A country built on slavery, displacement of native americans, puerto ricans and colonializing nations cannot be expected to bring justice and peace to those who do minor offenses at best but get served with the punishment of death. People in this country are so numb both ways, liberals who stay stuck in victimhood and conservatives who stand by the law they both forget this is a system of slavery, which was USA's longest running economy. It just become modernize into "inmates" or those target by the law. A slave catcher became a police officer. The mentality stays the same.

Those on the left must escape victimhood and condemn this system, choosing not to participate is really the only step. It isn't sustainable to exist as black, caribe or indigenous in a capitalist system built on slavery. This country is just a massive personality disorder because conservatives act oblivious to history. They regurgitate the same lines and it has no context to history. George Floyd being murdered is just American culture. We are all on survival mode but those who have been displaced, ancestors were enslaved or used as profit it will be harder on us to get out of the system that relied on us for so much. We do not experience generational wealth. Those who feel their ancestors who had nothing to do with slavery like Italians or White Latinos, their benefit comes from the fact America was a country you can move to and it wouldn't be that way if it wasn't for what the slaves built and carried. Literally majority of the economy was reliant on slavery and when it ended new streams of income came from prisons and other systems to exploit and put a cap on the oppressed. This wouldn't be the place to go if it wasn't for what blacks and natives built before us. Yea, your grandpa or dad may have built a building or road downtown, but the country was established and carried by the slavery of blacks.

This is going to continue to happen. We stay within the system, we must expect unjustified murders to happen. America's personality is narcissistic and narcissist dont like admit they're wrong.

Germany actually apologetic about the Holocaust while slavery had way more casualties, lasted more CENTURIES and has had a generational impact an entire race of people...and the USA remains unapologetic. Mindless folks be like "what slavery got to do with George Floyd?" History repeats itself and nothing changes if the system remains the same.
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Post#277 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 am

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Post#278 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:21 am

George Floyd's murderer, Derrick Chauvren, is released on $1M bond.
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Post#279 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:56 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:George Floyd's murderer, Derrick Chauvren, is released on $1M bond.

Where's the outcry?
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Post#280 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:00 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:George Floyd's murderer, Derrick Chauvren, is released on $1M bond.

Where's the outcry?


There are a bunch of articles on it. Protest are probably coming.

https://www.google.com/search?q=George+Floyd%27s+killer+out+on+bail&client=safari&rls=en&ei=Yq2CX9LnNq6a_QaHgZGICg&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjSoKnR-6vsAhUuTd8KHYdABKE4ChDy0wN6BAgLEC8&biw=1084&bih=569
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