Could Frank be our longterm answer at backup guard (PG/SG)

[Clyde_Style]

where is sham? I heard he loves to talk about frank.

He's in his bedroom working on his Frank collage

[KnicksGadfly]

If Frank can shoot, I think he should start. That's the prototypical 3&D guy there.

[nedleeds]

He's the short term answer also because Elfrid Payton is just an older **** version of him and DSJ has tickets booked to Guangzhou.

[Stannis]

"If he can shoot" is a big if. It's not easy becoming a decent shooter. Be like saying Kanter would be good if he could defend.

Frank has been in the league for 3 years, and shooting was always a problem. So I'm sure he's working on it.

I'm pulling for him of course, but I just don't see it. He might have better luck as a defensive specialist on good team that just needs plugin players. But we are so freaking bad. We can't afford any liabilities.

[Stannis]

His ceiling right now is looking like Iman Shumpert.

[j4remi]

I think a swiss army knife role is perfect for where he's at in development. He could back up the 1 and 2 consistently, spot start if needed, play small ball SF for spells...his defense is always going to be a value added and he'll generally be able to give you a bit of what you need on offense assuming he's not asked to take on too big a role.

The value of Frank right now is in the flexibility he affords you with the bench you build and the upside he still offers as a 22 year old younger than some would-be draft picks. He's a late bloomer by NBA years but in age, he's still years away from his prime. I don't think you'll get that kind of flexibility or maneuverability back in a trade scenario.

[Gravy]

Find me 3 point guards in the league he is better than offensively and I'll consider it.

[Jscratch1200]

Listening to a bunch of podcast with current and former players, your time in the league is entirely up to how much effort you put in on your own and your mental make up. Listening to guys like Gilbert Arenas, he states your schedule as a player is practically wide open. What you do with it is makes or breaks you. However, there is a constant emphasis on never being satisfied with yourself or the role they have you in.

With Frank, I think we can agree that he has made improvements throughout his career, but he hasn't made a jump. I think that he does put the time in at the gym, but he doesn't have that mental make up to take what he wants. I think we started to see it a bit right before the season ended. If he continues down that road, he can at the very least be a solid role player, but potentially a starter i would think. If not, then he is as good as gone.

[MaseInYourFace]

Frank is too slow for PG. Put him on wing and let him play off the ball. You can still have him guard the best perimeter player on defense.

I prefer to have an instant offense combo type as the backup.

Not every effective PG is quick. Mark Jackson wore lead boots, but he was effective, though he was a very physical guy who bodied his defenders.

Frank's issues were less about speed or quickness and more about decisiveness. When he doesn't hesitate he gets to the rack just like any other good penetrator.

And his hard work on his handle started to pay off as he began to show an ability to navigate to wherever he wanted on the floor which is one of the primary abilities you need in a point.

Frank is quite competent at the PnR. Our coaching most of his time here has not been competent and under-utilized the PnR.

Frank is big. He can see the floor.

I think he can handle the PG position if you commit to him. He's just one of those guys whose potential was going to take time and he was handled like garbage by the Knicks so far and he didn't crack. His confidence wavered a lot, but he hung in there and starting showing signs last season. I think he is a player that will continue to progress and reward patience.

Mark Jackson played in a different era. I can’t think of too many current nba points as slow as Frank if any.

[Clyde_Style]

Frank is too slow for PG. Put him on wing and let him play off the ball. You can still have him guard the best perimeter player on defense.

I prefer to have an instant offense combo type as the backup.

Not every effective PG is quick. Mark Jackson wore lead boots, but he was effective, though he was a very physical guy who bodied his defenders.

Frank's issues were less about speed or quickness and more about decisiveness. When he doesn't hesitate he gets to the rack just like any other good penetrator.

And his hard work on his handle started to pay off as he began to show an ability to navigate to wherever he wanted on the floor which is one of the primary abilities you need in a point.

Frank is quite competent at the PnR. Our coaching most of his time here has not been competent and under-utilized the PnR.

Frank is big. He can see the floor.

I think he can handle the PG position if you commit to him. He's just one of those guys whose potential was going to take time and he was handled like garbage by the Knicks so far and he didn't crack. His confidence wavered a lot, but he hung in there and starting showing signs last season. I think he is a player that will continue to progress and reward patience.

Mark Jackson played in a different era. I can’t think of too many current nba points as slow as Frank if any.

Considering the thread asked if he could be the backup PG, I'd say the answer is yes, though I think he can also play the two or be in the occasional three guard lineup since he and RJ are basically SF in size

So it doesn't necessarily hinge on him playing PG and more on fit, because if he can facilitate, hit threes at 35%+, then his defense becomes a real X factor and his value is real.

I also would keep looking for a long-term starting PG though who does have that quickness. I don't think it really negates Frank's value though, so it comes down to reframing the question IMO

[dakomish23]

This team will never even commit to that level of a role for him . If he's not hitting shots, he's not going to play. 1-2 bad games and they may trade him. Which is crazy b/c they're more than fine with a bunch of trash games from other guys.

I know the kid can play and be a consistent contributor to a good team, but he's not going to play well constantly being under the short sighted Knicks guillotine.

[F N 11]

Next year is the year Frank puts it together. Trust me on that.

[thebuzzardman]

where is sham? I heard he loves to talk about frank.

He's in his bedroom working on his Frank collage

I thought it was a performance art/2 hour spoken word piece about how beautiful Mitch's jumper will be next year.

With bongos. Forgot to mention the bongos.

[thebuzzardman]

Frank is too slow for PG. Put him on wing and let him play off the ball. You can still have him guard the best perimeter player on defense.

I prefer to have an instant offense combo type as the backup.

Not every effective PG is quick. Mark Jackson wore lead boots, but he was effective, though he was a very physical guy who bodied his defenders.

Frank's issues were less about speed or quickness and more about decisiveness. When he doesn't hesitate he gets to the rack just like any other good penetrator.

And his hard work on his handle started to pay off as he began to show an ability to navigate to wherever he wanted on the floor which is one of the primary abilities you need in a point.

Frank is quite competent at the PnR. Our coaching most of his time here has not been competent and under-utilized the PnR.

Frank is big. He can see the floor.

I think he can handle the PG position if you commit to him. He's just one of those guys whose potential was going to take time and he was handled like garbage by the Knicks so far and he didn't crack. His confidence wavered a lot, but he hung in there and starting showing signs last season. I think he is a player that will continue to progress and reward patience.

Mark Jackson played in a different era. I can’t think of too many current nba points as slow as Frank if any.

[F N 11]

It is going to take Thibs to see what Frank brings. Fizdale and Horny was not it.

[Clyde_Style]

where is sham? I heard he loves to talk about frank.

He's in his bedroom working on his Frank collage

I thought it was a performance art/2 hour spoken word piece about how beautiful Mitch's jumper will be next year.

With bongos. Forgot to mention the bongos.

You forgot the Eartha Kitt make-up. Sham channelling Eartha Kitt is pretty spectacular.

I heard his Ethel Merman's The World of Frank is also incredible.

[Clyde_Style]

Not every effective PG is quick. Mark Jackson wore lead boots, but he was effective, though he was a very physical guy who bodied his defenders.

Frank's issues were less about speed or quickness and more about decisiveness. When he doesn't hesitate he gets to the rack just like any other good penetrator.

And his hard work on his handle started to pay off as he began to show an ability to navigate to wherever he wanted on the floor which is one of the primary abilities you need in a point.

Frank is quite competent at the PnR. Our coaching most of his time here has not been competent and under-utilized the PnR.

Frank is big. He can see the floor.

I think he can handle the PG position if you commit to him. He's just one of those guys whose potential was going to take time and he was handled like garbage by the Knicks so far and he didn't crack. His confidence wavered a lot, but he hung in there and starting showing signs last season. I think he is a player that will continue to progress and reward patience.

Mark Jackson played in a different era. I can’t think of too many current nba points as slow as Frank if any.

and don't forget this guy

[DrCoach]

We need to develop our own players, look at Norman Powell For the Raps or Anouby

[Jalen Bluntson]

I love the kid and...he already is backup role player material. He just needs to get his shot going and be more aggressive on offense.

That said....for the millionth time... can we stop with the Frank threads now?

[Clyde_Style]

I love the kid and...he already is backup role player material. He just needs to get his shot going and be more aggressive on offense.

That said....for the millionth time... can we stop with the Frank threads now?

I just started a new Frank Fashion Thread

See you over there