Could Frank be our longterm answer at backup guard (PG/SG)

[KnicksGadfly]

"If he can shoot" is a big if. It's not easy becoming a decent shooter. Be like saying Kanter would be good if he could defend.

Frank has been in the league for 3 years, and shooting was always a problem. So I'm sure he's working on it.

I'm pulling for him of course, but I just don't see it. He might have better luck as a defensive specialist on good team that just needs plugin players. But we are so freaking bad. We can't afford any liabilities.

It's small sample size, but he made 14 of 29 from the corner this past year. Hopefully it's not fluky...we desperately need good news.

[a-French-Fan]

He should be the starter, or he should be traded.

[spree2kawhi]

Find me 3 point guards in the league he is better than offensively and I'll consider it.

They said this about Doncic too. Jokic. Ingles. I'd assume Nashl too. Some players make a difference by understanding the game.

I'm not comparing his ceiling to theirs, so don't even go there. Making an impact doesn't have to involve cliche categories though.

[2010]

What happened to PG Kawhi/PG Giannis tho? Y'all gave up on the dream?

Spoiler:

[Kampuchea]

Now “ Frank just turned 22”
Next year “Frank just turned 23”

Will people give up by 28? 32?

He shouldn’t be our PG as he doesn’t get to the rim. Best suited as SG, and he is honestly very close to being a good option there. He can be relied on to make the right swing passes on the perimeter and all he needs is a decent 3pt %.

[Fat Kat]

What happened to PG Kawhi/PG Giannis tho? Y'all gave up on the dream?

Spoiler:

I think folks are moving past denial and anger, and are now at the bargaining stage. Having said that, this is Frank’s most probably ceiling. A good backup/defensive specialist. I would extend him for cheap now and be done with it.

[br7knicks]

I think he becomes more valuable this year with a cemented role under thibs and direction/guidance. Not this fake, swiss army, Batum type of player Fizdale kept imaging. At the same time, Frank has to knock down 3s, point blank. Until then no matter how dominant his defense is, he's an offensive liability.

Heres to Frank being a 36% 3pt shooter this year.

Agreed, but I think if he's able to become a solid 3 PT shooter, I'd rather him be the starter at SG/PG.


Frank is high IQ and doesn't need the ball to be effective - he can handle and pass, with his great court vision (although he is a step behind in this league, so far). But depending on who the Knicks get, PG or SG, Frank should be playing the complementary role.

If the Knicks get someone like Beal, Oladipo, or anyone who can attack the rim and break down the defense, Frank would be a better starter, but at low minutes. I'd like him to play the role of tony allen: 20-25 MPG as the starter, but purely defense. Frank needs to be a better 3PT shooter though, for me to be okay with him starting.

[br7knicks]

"If he can shoot" is a big if. It's not easy becoming a decent shooter. Be like saying Kanter would be good if he could defend.

Frank has been in the league for 3 years, and shooting was always a problem. So I'm sure he's working on it.

I'm pulling for him of course, but I just don't see it. He might have better luck as a defensive specialist on good team that just needs plugin players. But we are so freaking bad. We can't afford any liabilities.

for me, he's an andre roberson type, if he can't find his shot.

the problem is, roberson has westbrook, who is so crazy and explosive on offense, that it's okay roberson is obsolete on that end of the floor. but frank doesn't have a westbrook to complement him. If the knicks can find someone similar to westbrook (hopefully not exactly like WB), then frank will appear much better to people who watch him.


but if he can shoot above 35%, he's worth keeping around long term. if he can't, it's going to be too tough to justify it.

[br7knicks]

He just turned 22, ideally we sign him to a show and prove type contract and he turns into a 36-40% three point shooter, that is literally all he needs to really stay on the floor. Someone like Danny Green didn't find their place in the league until they were 24, not willing to give up on Frank yet, just have to stop trotting him out there as a PG and allow him to play more SG.

There's a reason why so many good teams seem interested in him.

I would do that but he may be fed up with this organization and their mishandling of him by now and be looking for a fresh start. if he wants to be here and buys into whatever thibs is selling and we can get him on a cheap extension I'd probably do it

We have his bird rights now and the option to match, I'd let him get an offer, see who the team is and match based on that


"Oh, the Spurs, Raptors and Warriors want you for 4 years 36 million? MATCH"

there are reasons good teams are interested in him - he clearly can be an asset, as defense is required to be a championship level team. not sure why there are people her who still don't understand this. knicks may not be a championship level team, but having that core of defense is a start, versus plugging in a high volume chucker.

the knicks have also handled him so poorly - expecting him to be a lead guard who will break down defenses, in his first few years in the league. this isn't frank, not at the NBA level.


he should be the complementary guard to someone who can break down defenses on offense (FVV?), allowing frank to sit in the corner on offense and hit 3s - this depends on frank developing a decent, consistent shot, which he hasn't done yet.

[a-French-Fan]

I think he becomes more valuable this year with a cemented role under thibs and direction/guidance. Not this fake, swiss army, Batum type of player Fizdale kept imaging. At the same time, Frank has to knock down 3s, point blank. Until then no matter how dominant his defense is, he's an offensive liability.

Heres to Frank being a 36% 3pt shooter this year.

Agreed, but I think if he's able to become a solid 3 PT shooter, I'd rather him be the starter at SG/PG.


Frank is high IQ and doesn't need the ball to be effective - he can handle and pass, with his great court vision (although he is a step behind in this league, so far). But depending on who the Knicks get, PG or SG, Frank should be playing the complementary role.

If the Knicks get someone like Beal, Oladipo, or anyone who can attack the rim and break down the defense, Frank would be a better starter, but at low minutes. I'd like him to play the role of tony allen: 20-25 MPG as the starter, but purely defense. Frank needs to be a better 3PT shooter though, for me to be okay with him starting.

So you need Evan Fournier! (if he get focus on offense again. Because last years his profile changed)
Recruit Evan, he has always dreamt about the Knicks. Make a trade this year or wait for next free agency.
Draft Hayes or Malédon as second PG. On second round, draft Killian Tillie.
Next year, with 2 french PGs, in the team and Evan Fournier + his future back-up/or complement as PF in french national, Gobert will sign, even not for the max contract. You won't play with two blocking machines, so trade Mitchell Robinson for Doumbouya. Draft Matthew Strazel as 1st round pick in 2021 draft, and Joël Ayayi in second round.
Your starting five would be: Hayes - Fournier - Barrett- Doumbouya - Gobert
FA 2023: Luka!

[br7knicks]

I think he becomes more valuable this year with a cemented role under thibs and direction/guidance. Not this fake, swiss army, Batum type of player Fizdale kept imaging. At the same time, Frank has to knock down 3s, point blank. Until then no matter how dominant his defense is, he's an offensive liability.

Heres to Frank being a 36% 3pt shooter this year.

Agreed, but I think if he's able to become a solid 3 PT shooter, I'd rather him be the starter at SG/PG.


Frank is high IQ and doesn't need the ball to be effective - he can handle and pass, with his great court vision (although he is a step behind in this league, so far). But depending on who the Knicks get, PG or SG, Frank should be playing the complementary role.

If the Knicks get someone like Beal, Oladipo, or anyone who can attack the rim and break down the defense, Frank would be a better starter, but at low minutes. I'd like him to play the role of tony allen: 20-25 MPG as the starter, but purely defense. Frank needs to be a better 3PT shooter though, for me to be okay with him starting.

So you need Evan Fournier! (if he get focus on offense again. Because last years his profile changed)
Recruit Evan, he has always dreamt about the Knicks. Make a trade this year or wait for next free agency.
Draft Hayes or Malédon as second PG. On second round, draft Killian Tillie.
Next year, with 2 french PGs, in the team and Evan Fournier + his future back-up/or complement as PF in french national, Gobert will sign, even not for the max contract. You won't play with two blocking machines, so trade Mitchell Robinson for Doumbouya. Draft Matthew Strazel as 1st round pick in 2021 draft, and Joël Ayayi in second round.
Your starting five would be: Hayes - Fournier - Barrett- Doumbouya - Gobert
FA 2023: Luka!

Fournier is nice, but I don't think he's strong enough to warrant playing Frank at the complementary role next to him

[a-French-Fan]

Agreed, but I think if he's able to become a solid 3 PT shooter, I'd rather him be the starter at SG/PG.


Frank is high IQ and doesn't need the ball to be effective - he can handle and pass, with his great court vision (although he is a step behind in this league, so far). But depending on who the Knicks get, PG or SG, Frank should be playing the complementary role.

If the Knicks get someone like Beal, Oladipo, or anyone who can attack the rim and break down the defense, Frank would be a better starter, but at low minutes. I'd like him to play the role of tony allen: 20-25 MPG as the starter, but purely defense. Frank needs to be a better 3PT shooter though, for me to be okay with him starting.

So you need Evan Fournier! (if he get focus on offense again. Because last years his profile changed)
Recruit Evan, he has always dreamt about the Knicks. Make a trade this year or wait for next free agency.
Draft Hayes or Malédon as second PG. On second round, draft Killian Tillie.
Next year, with 2 french PGs, in the team and Evan Fournier + his future back-up/or complement as PF in french national, Gobert will sign, even not for the max contract. You won't play with two blocking machines, so trade Mitchell Robinson for Doumbouya. Draft Matthew Strazel as 1st round pick in 2021 draft, and Joël Ayayi in second round.
Your starting five would be: Hayes - Fournier - Barrett- Doumbouya - Gobert
FA 2023: Luka!

Fournier is nice, but I don't think he's strong enough to warrant playing Frank at the complementary role next to him

He has a very good mentality. It is important too with a lot of young players. Davis Bertans scored 15 pts/game last years, Knicks are able to offer more than what Fournier earns ... But the guys feared to get injuried in the bubble ... You can't win with such mentality.

[2010]

I think he becomes more valuable this year with a cemented role under thibs and direction/guidance. Not this fake, swiss army, Batum type of player Fizdale kept imaging. At the same time, Frank has to knock down 3s, point blank. Until then no matter how dominant his defense is, he's an offensive liability.

Heres to Frank being a 36% 3pt shooter this year.

Agreed, but I think if he's able to become a solid 3 PT shooter, I'd rather him be the starter at SG/PG.


Frank is high IQ and doesn't need the ball to be effective - he can handle and pass, with his great court vision (although he is a step behind in this league, so far). But depending on who the Knicks get, PG or SG, Frank should be playing the complementary role.

If the Knicks get someone like Beal, Oladipo, or anyone who can attack the rim and break down the defense, Frank would be a better starter, but at low minutes. I'd like him to play the role of tony allen: 20-25 MPG as the starter, but purely defense. Frank needs to be a better 3PT shooter though, for me to be okay with him starting.

So you need Evan Fournier! (if he get focus on offense again. Because last years his profile changed)
Recruit Evan, he has always dreamt about the Knicks. Make a trade this year or wait for next free agency.
Draft Hayes or Malédon as second PG. On second round, draft Killian Tillie.
Next year, with 2 french PGs, in the team and Evan Fournier + his future back-up/or complement as PF in french national, Gobert will sign, even not for the max contract. You won't play with two blocking machines, so trade Mitchell Robinson for Doumbouya. Draft Matthew Strazel as 1st round pick in 2021 draft, and Joël Ayayi in second round.
Your starting five would be: Hayes - Fournier - Barrett- Doumbouya - Gobert
FA 2023: Luka!

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[Gravy]

Find me 3 point guards in the league he is better than offensively and I'll consider it.

They said this about Doncic too. Jokic. Ingles. I'd assume Nashl too. Some players make a difference by understanding the game.

I'm not comparing his ceiling to theirs, so don't even go there. Making an impact doesn't have to involve cliche categories though.

But he's been a net negative, its 5 vs 4 when he's on the court. Even guys like Trey Burke and Mudiay has won more games than him. All the tankers want Frank to start so we can lose every game because literally anyone else in the league would accidentally win a few times.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Do we really need a long term answer for back up point guard? How important is that role anyway? It’s probably not the best use of cap space to lock up bench players either. If he makes a big jump this offseason it might make it okay to resign him but he’s probably going to be one of those guys that gets a couple one year deals before going back to Europe.

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frank time. on god.

[Cookies4Life]

I think all our young guys- even Knox- deserve a longer leash as far as criticism being hurled at them. It's hard for any young players to develop when half their roster changes every year, from new teammates to coaches.

Now with Rose and Thibs here for hopefully the entirety of their contracts (prob wishful thinking on my part,) we should hopefully see some of our young guys take the next step in their development.

I'm still very high on Frank, I think he's a very high IQ basketball player who almost always makes the right play and reads on both ends of the floor. Offensively he needs to stop telegraphing his passes, maintain his dribble more often and be a lot more judicious when he decides to shoot which is clearly his biggest weakness.

I saw him have so many great defensive games last year, especially early on in the season, where his defense kept us close in games. It's that impactful and he's seemingly becoming even more intelligent on the defensive side. He doesn't overreach as much, does well to fight through screens and he's a menacing 1 on 1 defender out on the perimeter. His offense was also starting to pick up right before the cancellation of the season.

RJ's usage is going to continue rising as he potentially evolves into a 1/2 offensive option. Depending on who we draft, we might have a couple high usage players in the starting lineup so someone like Frank could prove to be quite valuable if we end up pairing RJ with another high scoring type of wing player. He doesn't need the ball in his hands to provide a positive impact on the floor.

[HarthorneWingo]

"If he can shoot" is a big if. It's not easy becoming a decent shooter. Be like saying Kanter would be good if he could defend.

Frank has been in the league for 3 years, and shooting was always a problem. So I'm sure he's working on it.

I'm pulling for him of course, but I just don't see it. He might have better luck as a defensive specialist on good team that just needs plugin players. But we are so freaking bad. We can't afford any liabilities.

It's small sample size, but he made 14 of 29 from the corner this past year. Hopefully it's not fluky...we desperately need good news.

Frank definitely improved from the season before. He just needs to be consistent on offense. Attack the rim when possible and hit the open shots.

[Fat Kat]

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