2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[Stannis]

Lot of energy behind Trump's campaign. I must admit, he and Fox News did a good job changing the narrative. Where I'm at, people are starting to believe this is Biden's America and Trump is the challenger.

[Pointgod]

How did Obama get involved anywhere and dont tell me any bull conspiracy young turks nonsense. Fact is that once it was one on one and the votes weren't split among multiple candidates, Bernie got his ass spanked.

And I'm not gonna tell you anything because as shown by bernie again, they dont come out and vote enough to make the difference anyway. If bernie couldn't get that turnout when he had their support, what makes you think that Biden would?

Who do you think got all of the Democratic candidates - who swore up and down to “take it all the way to the Convention” - to suddenly and very conspicuously drop out of the Primary (except for Warren, of course) prior to the South Carolina primary? If you don’t believe it was Obama than you either aren’t keeping up or in denial.

most of them were running out of money by Super Tuesday, so that's a moot point. Can't stay in a race with no $ on hand.

The real issue isn't SC, but rather the fact that Bernie lost both MI and WI, two states Bernie won in strong fashion

Yeah the whole conspiracy theory about Bernie is completely idiotic. People need to face facts Bernie wasn’t popular with the majority of Democratic voters in the primary. MI is a very good example. There was no conspiracy to screw Bernie, facts are that the young voters didn’t show up and you won’t win a majority calling everyone that doesn’t agree with you an establishment sell out. Both Bloomberg and Warren were still in the race during Super Tuesday so it wasn’t a situation that favored any one person.

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[Oscirus]

Bernie was kicking Joe’s ass until Obama, the DNC and Clyburn stuck theIt noses into it. Please.

What are you going to tell me if/when the under 45 age group doesn’t come out to vote for Joe?

How did Obama get involved anywhere and dont tell me any bull conspiracy young turks nonsense. Fact is that once it was one on one and the votes weren't split among multiple candidates, Bernie got his ass spanked.

And I'm not gonna tell you anything because as shown by bernie again, they dont come out and vote enough to make the difference anyway. If bernie couldn't get that turnout when he had their support, what makes you think that Biden would?

Who do you think got all of the Democratic candidates - who swore up and down to “take it all the way to the Convention” - to suddenly and very conspicuously drop out of the Primary (except for Warren, of course) prior to the South Carolina primary? If you don’t believe it was Obama than you either aren’t keeping up or in denial.

Most of the people you are referring to dropped out after South Carolina when the candidate who up to that point was dead in the water showed that he had a strong grip on one of the most important demographics of the party. People posturing themselves for that vp spot made alot of sense. Why didn't Obama endorse Biden in the primaries if he was this evil mastermind? Besides, if I recall, the majority of the former obama personnel were backing Warren.

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[Oscirus]

Never trust bloomberg. He likes working the press even when it doesnt benefit him to do so.

[HarthorneWingo]

How did Obama get involved anywhere and dont tell me any bull conspiracy young turks nonsense. Fact is that once it was one on one and the votes weren't split among multiple candidates, Bernie got his ass spanked.

And I'm not gonna tell you anything because as shown by bernie again, they dont come out and vote enough to make the difference anyway. If bernie couldn't get that turnout when he had their support, what makes you think that Biden would?

Who do you think got all of the Democratic candidates - who swore up and down to “take it all the way to the Convention” - to suddenly and very conspicuously drop out of the Primary (except for Warren, of course) prior to the South Carolina primary? If you don’t believe it was Obama than you either aren’t keeping up or in denial.

Most of the people you are referring to dropped out after South Carolina when the candidate who up to that point was dead in the water showed that he had a strong grip on one of the most important demographics of the party. People posturing themselves for that vp spot made alot of sense. Why didn't Obama endorse Biden in the primaries if he was this evil mastermind? Besides, if I recall, the majority of the former obama personnel were backing Warren.

Because Obama wanted to how it played out at first. Bernie won the first three primaries and Biden was always expected to win SC. If he didn't, it would've been a shock. But then Obama convinced everyone else to drop out, except Warren, obviously, because she needed to stay in to take as many votes away from Bernie as possible. It's simple deductive reasoning, my friend. Obama is trying to protect his legacy (e.g. Obamacare).

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/09/barack-obama-joe-biden-2020-campaign-178115

Obama wanted Sanders to have the day to himself, so he refrained from speaking (or tweeting) publicly on Wednesday. But Obama had always said his role in the primaries would be to unite the party when it’s over, and he’s been in close contact with both campaigns as the pandemic both froze the race without a clear victor and also made it more obvious that Biden would eventually prevail.

“Over the last few weeks, he’s had multiple conversations with candidates, including Sen. Sanders, about how to best position the Democratic Party to win in November,” said a source familiar with those calls. “While the content of those conversations remain private, there was always agreement that winning in the fall was paramount.”

“A very good day!” one Obama adviser wrote when I asked about Sanders dropping out.

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As the race narrowed to Biden and Sanders, interest among pro-Biden Democrats for Obama to speak up spiked and the political press was on the hunt for any indications of Obama choosing sides. Obama had a delicate task. Everyone knew whom he preferred, and yet he could not be seen as helping organize the massive party-wide show of force in favor of Biden that emerged from South Carolina through Super Tuesday. Obama’s aides forcefully reiterated that he was scrupulously not intervening.

But some of his aides now concede that behind the scenes Obama played a role in nudging things in Biden’s direction at the crucial moment when the Biden team was organizing former candidates to coalesce around Biden.

“I know he did a few things,” said one longtime close adviser to Obama. “He was talking to Biden regularly in that period. I don’t know exactly what he said, but you can speculate! It’s noteworthy that he called Klobuchar and the others right when they got out.”

A person with knowledge of Obama’s conversation with Buttigieg after the former Indiana mayor exited the race explained it this way: “Obama talked to Pete the night that Pete dropped out. When Pete told Obama that he was 99.9 percent of the way there in terms of endorsing Biden, I would say that Obama was encouraging. But I would also say that Obama was very careful not to be seen as putting a thumb on the scale. He and the people close to him are very careful about the optics — the 2016-style optics. Sanders and his supporters had reason to believe the party put the thumb on the scale for Hillary in 2016 and he wanted to avoid that. Obama wasn’t the driving force, but he was encouraging of people who had those instincts to rally around Biden. But he was very cautious and discreet in how he operated.”

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/us/politics/barack-obama-dnc-trump.html

Obama Returns to the D.N.C. With a Chance to Protect His Legacy From Trump
After four years watching his achievements being dismantled, he has almost as much at stake as his party’s nominee, Joe Biden, does.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Wow. We're no better than the Republicans. No individuals must want to give their money to Biden, so the oligarchs have to step in. But they'll be no paybacks of course. They won't expect any favors back. That's how Bloomberg rolls!

[Pointgod]

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Wow. We're not better than the Republicans. No individuals must want to give their money to Biden, so the oligarchs have to step in. But they'll be no paybacks of course. They won't expect any favors back. That's how Bloomberg rolls!

Get Trump out by any means necessary. Bloomberg has his causes that he cares about like gun violence and climate change and he knows that another 4 years of Trump will roll any progress that’s been made backwards. Plus he knows that in a Facist, Authoritarian State not even billionaires are safe.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Wow. We're not better than the Republicans. No individuals must want to give their money to Biden, so the oligarchs have to step in. But they'll be no paybacks of course. They won't expect any favors back. That's how Bloomberg rolls!

Get Trump out by any means necessary. Bloomberg has his causes that he cares about like gun violence and climate change and he knows that another 4 years of Trump will roll any progress that’s been made backwards. Plus he knows that in a Facist, Authoritarian State not even billionaires are safe.

Bloomberg knows his investments are safe with the Dems. They are all scared of Bernie and, to a lesser extent, Warren.

[Knick4Real]

THIS GUY HAS GOT TO GO!!

Trump Says He Will
‘Negotiate’ Third Term Because
He’s ‘Entitled’ To It



President Trump said Saturday that he plans to “negotiate” to run again in 2024 if he wins reelection in November, his latest in a series of comments that have alarmed critics who say he has little regard for constitutional boundaries.

During a rally in Minden, Nevada, Trump predicted he would win reelection and carry Nevada, a state he lost narrowly in 2016.

“After that,” Trump said, “we’ll negotiate,” asserting that he’s “probably entitled to another four after that” based on “the way we were treated.”

The comments echo ones Trump made during a rally in Wisconsin in August, in which he stated he would win four more years and “go for another four years” because “they spied on my campaign,” likely referencing his unproven “Obamagate” theory.

Michael Cohen, Trump’s former fixer-turned prolific critic, has argued that Trump’s comments should not be disregarded as humor, instead asserting that Trump believes he should be the “ruler” or “dictator” of the U.S. and wants to “change the Constitution.”

Cohen predicted that, were Trump to win reelection, “he is going to automatically day number one start thinking how he can change the Constitution for a third term, and then a fourth term.”


LINK: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/13/trump-says-he-will-negotiate-third-term-because-hes-entitled-to-it/?fbclid=IwAR2O7AQyyhjbWTw0ga_API-4AZc4LICHGJrbUmBqweQW-arBKwhPNVbPCyY#826bf28287cb

[HarthorneWingo]

Biden's "organizing tool kit/virtual phone band guide" on his website is still in the Primary and hasn't been updated. Why hasn't Biden used some of the vast boatloads of money he's received from the Wall St. and Insurance industry oligarch into updating his site, phone banking, organizing, assisting with early/mail-in voting, etc.

The "hosting events toolkit" suggests hosting events including debate watching parties in indoor spaces like homes, coffee shops, and libraries ... in the middle of a global pandemic.

[Phish Tank]

Biden's "organizing tool kit/virtual phone band guide" on his website is still in the Primary and hasn't been updated. Why hasn't Biden used some of the vast boatloads of money he's received from the Wall St. and Insurance industry oligarch into updating his site, phone banking, organizing, assisting with early/mail-in voting, etc.

The "hosting events toolkit" suggests hosting events including debate watching parties in indoor spaces like homes, coffee shops, and libraries ... in the middle of a global pandemic.

why don't you visit this page for more details:

https://joebiden.com/take-action/

Also - I know which link you opened up. Do two seconds of thinking and you'll realize that you opened up an PDF that was created last year. That doesn't mean that there isn't more up-to-date info (just check the actual website).

Don't make me have to teach you how to Google now

[Pointgod]

Biden's "organizing tool kit/virtual phone band guide" on his website is still in the Primary and hasn't been updated. Why hasn't Biden used some of the vast boatloads of money he's received from the Wall St. and Insurance industry oligarch into updating his site, phone banking, organizing, assisting with early/mail-in voting, etc.

The "hosting events toolkit" suggests hosting events including debate watching parties in indoor spaces like homes, coffee shops, and libraries ... in the middle of a global pandemic.

why don't you visit this page for more details:

https://joebiden.com/take-action/

Also - I know which link you opened up. Do two seconds of thinking and you'll realize that you opened up an PDF that was created last year. That doesn't mean that there isn't more up-to-date info (just check the actual website).

Don't make me have to teach you how to Google now

But if Wingo actually went through the details, then he couldn’t incessantly whine about Biden, despite the fact that he’s doing a lot of the right things, even though there are areas of improvement.

[Phish Tank]

Biden's "organizing tool kit/virtual phone band guide" on his website is still in the Primary and hasn't been updated. Why hasn't Biden used some of the vast boatloads of money he's received from the Wall St. and Insurance industry oligarch into updating his site, phone banking, organizing, assisting with early/mail-in voting, etc.

The "hosting events toolkit" suggests hosting events including debate watching parties in indoor spaces like homes, coffee shops, and libraries ... in the middle of a global pandemic.

why don't you visit this page for more details:

https://joebiden.com/take-action/

Also - I know which link you opened up. Do two seconds of thinking and you'll realize that you opened up an PDF that was created last year. That doesn't mean that there isn't more up-to-date info (just check the actual website).

Don't make me have to teach you how to Google now

But if Wingo actually went through the details, then he couldn’t incessantly whine about Biden, despite the fact that he’s doing a lot of the right things, even though there are areas of improvement.

Improvement, you say? Glad to know our presidential candidate.... is just like every other presidential candidate in years past.

Remember any perfect presidential candidates and campaigns?

[Pointgod]

why don't you visit this page for more details:

https://joebiden.com/take-action/

Also - I know which link you opened up. Do two seconds of thinking and you'll realize that you opened up an PDF that was created last year. That doesn't mean that there isn't more up-to-date info (just check the actual website).

Don't make me have to teach you how to Google now

But if Wingo actually went through the details, then he couldn’t incessantly whine about Biden, despite the fact that he’s doing a lot of the right things, even though there are areas of improvement.

Improvement, you say? Glad to know our presidential candidate.... is just like every other presidential candidate in years past.

Remember any perfect presidential candidates and campaigns?

Saint Bernard, the Maple Jesus of Vermont. He would have ushered in the socialist utopia if not for the dastardly DNC.

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[BKlutch]

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So many issues are made up or created to put out a story that may not be real. That's why I don't get excited when I read how things are going, or how they've changed, before I look at the source and see what other sources are saying about it.

It seems that in the past, extraordinary claims required extraordinary proof. Now, many people accept allegations as all the proof they need. It's the lack of understanding of the political process and how our government work, across so many levels of the population, that distresses me most.

[GONYK]

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[Rasho Brezec]

Very good read in preparation for Trump's re-election.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/democrats-may-not-be-able-concede/616321/

Accepting the things that never should have happened is far more difficult. A certain kind of cognitive dissonance—the gap between what is and what should be—can fuel revolutionary sentiment, and not just in a fluffy, radical-chic kind of way. In such situations, acting outside the political process, including through nonpeaceful means, becomes more attractive, not necessarily out of hope but out of despair.