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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1141 » by Phish Tank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:06 pm

Pointgod wrote:And this is why you don’t lose your mind over one poll. But of course the media narrative for the next week won’t Biden is doing well with Hispanic voters in Florida because it only reinforces a trend that polls in other states have shown (Arizona, Nevada) and the national lead shows. It doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be an increased outreach to Hispanic voters but the doom and gloom and I told you so’s don’t actually serve a purpose.

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Post#1142 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:52 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:This is crazy. The Trump administration is allegedly sterilizing women in ICE detention against their will according to a whistleblower, Dawn Wooten, a nurse at one of the facilities.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/like-an-experimental-concentration-camp-whistleblower-complaint-alleges-mass-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-center/

The nurse, Dawn Wooten, was employed at the Irwin County Detention Center (ICDC) in Georgia, which is operated by LaSalle Corrections, a private prison company. The complaint was filed with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) by advocacy groups Project South, Georgia Detention Watch, Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, and South Georgia Immigrant Support Network.

Multiple women came forward to tell Project South about what they perceived to be the inordinate rate at which women in ICDC were subjected to hysterectomies – a surgical operation in which all or part of the uterus is removed. Additionally, many of the immigrant women who underwent the procedure were reportedly “confused” when asked to explain why they had the surgery, with one detainee likening their treatment to prisoners in concentration camps.

“Recently, a detained immigrant told Project South that she talked to five different women detained at ICDC between October and December 2019 who had a hysterectomy done,” the complaint stated. “When she talked to them about the surgery, the women ‘reacted confused when explaining why they had one done.’ The woman told Project South that it was as though the women were ‘trying to tell themselves it’s going to be OK.’”

“When I met all these women who had had surgeries, I thought this was like an experimental concentration camp. It was like they’re experimenting with our bodies,” the detainee said.

According to Wooten, ICDC consistently used a particular gynecologist – outside the facility – who almost always opted to remove all or part of the uterus of his female detainee patients.



This is disgusting. No words for how far the US has sank.
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Post#1144 » by DOT » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:00 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:This is crazy. The Trump administration is allegedly sterilizing women in ICE detention against their will according to a whistleblower, Dawn Wooten, a nurse at one of the facilities.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/like-an-experimental-concentration-camp-whistleblower-complaint-alleges-mass-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-center/

The nurse, Dawn Wooten, was employed at the Irwin County Detention Center (ICDC) in Georgia, which is operated by LaSalle Corrections, a private prison company. The complaint was filed with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) by advocacy groups Project South, Georgia Detention Watch, Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, and South Georgia Immigrant Support Network.

Multiple women came forward to tell Project South about what they perceived to be the inordinate rate at which women in ICDC were subjected to hysterectomies – a surgical operation in which all or part of the uterus is removed. Additionally, many of the immigrant women who underwent the procedure were reportedly “confused” when asked to explain why they had the surgery, with one detainee likening their treatment to prisoners in concentration camps.

“Recently, a detained immigrant told Project South that she talked to five different women detained at ICDC between October and December 2019 who had a hysterectomy done,” the complaint stated. “When she talked to them about the surgery, the women ‘reacted confused when explaining why they had one done.’ The woman told Project South that it was as though the women were ‘trying to tell themselves it’s going to be OK.’”

“When I met all these women who had had surgeries, I thought this was like an experimental concentration camp. It was like they’re experimenting with our bodies,” the detainee said.

According to Wooten, ICDC consistently used a particular gynecologist – outside the facility – who almost always opted to remove all or part of the uterus of his female detainee patients.



This is disgusting. No words for how far the US has sank.

I'm sure the pro-life Republicans won't stand for this.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1145 » by j4remi » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:11 pm

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Pointgod wrote:And this is why you don’t lose your mind over one poll. But of course the media narrative for the next week won’t Biden is doing well with Hispanic voters in Florida because it only reinforces a trend that polls in other states have shown (Arizona, Nevada) and the national lead shows. It doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be an increased outreach to Hispanic voters but the doom and gloom and I told you so’s don’t actually serve a purpose.

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the grandstanding of these horserace polls is ridiculous honestly. People really expect a perfect candidate, as if we know what happens behind the scenes every single second.


Nobody that discusses polls in earnest is just looking at the topline data and the discussion on the Latin vote should be about moving the margins not just "we're winning so it's fine." The good stuff is in reading the data inside, like here from that poll...

Biden’s current lead among Latinos is similar to Clinton’s margin four years ago. One difference, though, is how Florida’s Latino electorate has shifted since 2016. There has been an influx of residents from Puerto Rico and a growing number of young voters. These groups tend to be more Democratic, which actually suggests that Trump could be doing slightly better among older Latino voters than he did four years ago,”


Now to me...this begs the question, "wtf did Trump do that managed to win over more support from Florida Latinos?" And I ask that because Biden has lost ground with them. He's made up that ground via displaced Puerto Ricans (yall should be so damned grateful for us :P ), that's not the same as the margins just holding from last race to now. It's a deeper context that I personally think is worth exploring. And it's not like this is solely clickbait crap that some of the hyperbole suggests...here's 538 looking to contextualize polling data on Latino voters with some depth

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-some-latino-voters-are-backing-trump/

You don't need a "perfect candidate" to appeal to these voters. The question about why these margins haven't moved more dramatically is a lot more nuanced and could be valuable both this election and into the future. I think the most interesting part from that 538 discussion as someone with family in Florida is at 44 minutes into the discussion where media misinformation comes up as having potential impacts there. That's a phenomenon I feel like I'm witnessing in my personal life, but can't attest to beyond a number of anecdotes.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1146 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:23 pm

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Pointgod wrote:And this is why you don’t lose your mind over one poll. But of course the media narrative for the next week won’t Biden is doing well with Hispanic voters in Florida because it only reinforces a trend that polls in other states have shown (Arizona, Nevada) and the national lead shows. It doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be an increased outreach to Hispanic voters but the doom and gloom and I told you so’s don’t actually serve a purpose.

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the grandstanding of these horserace polls is ridiculous honestly. People really expect a perfect candidate, as if we know what happens behind the scenes every single second.


Nobody that discusses polls in earnest is just looking at the topline data and the discussion on the Latin vote should be about moving the margins not just "we're winning so it's fine." The good stuff is in reading the data inside, like here from that poll...

Biden’s current lead among Latinos is similar to Clinton’s margin four years ago. One difference, though, is how Florida’s Latino electorate has shifted since 2016. There has been an influx of residents from Puerto Rico and a growing number of young voters. These groups tend to be more Democratic, which actually suggests that Trump could be doing slightly better among older Latino voters than he did four years ago,”


Now to me...this begs the question, "wtf did Trump do that managed to win over more support from Florida Latinos?" And I ask that because Biden has lost ground with them. He's made up that ground via displaced Puerto Ricans (yall should be so damned grateful for us :P ), that's not the same as the margins just holding from last race to now. It's a deeper context that I personally think is worth exploring. And it's not like this is solely clickbait crap that some of the hyperbole suggests...here's 538 looking to contextualize polling data on Latino voters with some depth

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-some-latino-voters-are-backing-trump/

You don't need a "perfect candidate" to appeal to these voters. The question about why these margins haven't moved more dramatically is a lot more nuanced and could be valuable both this election and into the future. I think the most interesting part from that 538 discussion as someone with family in Florida is at 44 minutes into the discussion where media misinformation comes up as having potential impacts there. That's a phenomenon I feel like I'm witnessing in my personal life, but can't attest to beyond a number of anecdotes.


I don’t think it’s anything that Biden isn’t doing that Clinton did, but rather the fact that the Trump campaign has targeted these voters, especially Cubans and Venezuelans with propaganda that Biden is a socialist. Trump campaign has actually made efforts to capture these voters. The second thing is that Trump is the incumbent. People that don’t closely follow politics are usually deferent to the current President, they see his name on the cheques and they don’t closely follow the news. The third point I’d make is that some of the samples out of Florida are heavily weighted to Cuban voters who are largely Republican and were skeptical of Trump in 2016 but have come home essentially.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1147 » by j4remi » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:24 pm

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Can't front, straight up this is good strategy. Someone needs to get Bitcofer away from these Bush lackeys and team her with an actual progressive minded group. I do hope they gas their success with the community in a way that makes Latino run PACs bigger focuses for resources though. Nuestro is my squad for the time being and the It's Time for 46 crew got some love a while back but I haven't looked much beyond their frontfacing efforts which look good.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1148 » by j4remi » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:34 pm

Pointgod wrote:
j4remi wrote:Nobody that discusses polls in earnest is just looking at the topline data and the discussion on the Latin vote should be about moving the margins not just "we're winning so it's fine." The good stuff is in reading the data inside, like here from that poll...

Biden’s current lead among Latinos is similar to Clinton’s margin four years ago. One difference, though, is how Florida’s Latino electorate has shifted since 2016. There has been an influx of residents from Puerto Rico and a growing number of young voters. These groups tend to be more Democratic, which actually suggests that Trump could be doing slightly better among older Latino voters than he did four years ago,”


Now to me...this begs the question, "wtf did Trump do that managed to win over more support from Florida Latinos?" And I ask that because Biden has lost ground with them. He's made up that ground via displaced Puerto Ricans (yall should be so damned grateful for us :P ), that's not the same as the margins just holding from last race to now. It's a deeper context that I personally think is worth exploring. And it's not like this is solely clickbait crap that some of the hyperbole suggests...here's 538 looking to contextualize polling data on Latino voters with some depth

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-some-latino-voters-are-backing-trump/

You don't need a "perfect candidate" to appeal to these voters. The question about why these margins haven't moved more dramatically is a lot more nuanced and could be valuable both this election and into the future. I think the most interesting part from that 538 discussion as someone with family in Florida is at 44 minutes into the discussion where media misinformation comes up as having potential impacts there. That's a phenomenon I feel like I'm witnessing in my personal life, but can't attest to beyond a number of anecdotes.


I don’t think it’s anything that Biden isn’t doing that Clinton did, but rather the fact that the Trump campaign has targeted these voters, especially Cubans and Venezuelans with propaganda that Biden is a socialist. Trump campaign has actually made efforts to capture these voters. The second thing is that Trump is the incumbent. People that don’t closely follow politics are usually deferent to the current President, they see his name on the cheques and they don’t closely follow the news. The third point I’d make is that some of the samples out of Florida are heavily weighted to Cuban voters who are largely Republican and were skeptical of Trump in 2016 but have come home essentially.


I think the propaganda and targeting part is why that 538 reference to Florida local media hits home so hard. I can't express to you how many conversations I've had on issues with my Florida fam where they are operating on a different wavelength for what's currently happening in the country and/or why it's occurring. I don't buy the incumbent thing as much, at least not without a heavy dose of misinformation about the state of things to help nudge it into efficacy.

I've mentioned before that I don't think this is so much a Biden problem as an outreach and resource allocation problem. The push for these voters is happening late for both campaigns and I think that's partially why we're seeing the numbers trend toward the same exact margins as usual. All needling about Bush affiliation aside, I really like the Lincoln Project idea of connecting Puerto Rico to FL. Bitcofer mentioned targeting younger generation Cubans as well. I think those are smart target demos that can have expanded impacts. They've got the resources to be effective too, so between them and Bloomberg (yuck to both for me but I'll hold my nose); we may get a brief look at what a big resource focused push can accomplish in short order with the demo.
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Post#1149 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:43 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:This is crazy. The Trump administration is allegedly sterilizing women in ICE detention against their will according to a whistleblower, Dawn Wooten, a nurse at one of the facilities.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/like-an-experimental-concentration-camp-whistleblower-complaint-alleges-mass-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-center/



This is disgusting. No words for how far the US has sank.

I'm sure the pro-life Republicans won't stand for this.



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It was unnecessary to joke around like that when there is no much turmoil in our country. It's no big deal, just not the time and place.

FWIW, my 89 year old mom, who is a typical CNN watcher, asked me today, "And where has Joe Biden been? I haven't seen him on the news at all recently."
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I did a double take for a moment, then realized Luis Fonsi introduced him and I guess Eva Longoria & Ricky Martin also spoke, so sure I guess.

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It was unnecessary to joke around like that when there is no much turmoil in our country. It's no big deal, just not the time and place.

FWIW, my 89 year old mom, who is a typical CNN watcher, asked me today, "And where has Joe Biden been? I haven't seen him on the news at all recently."


thats kinda how I see it. We have riotes all over the place, still dealing with a pandemic, police brutality issues, and someone tried to assassinate two cops in LA the other day but he thinks its time to jam out...it was so cringe. I'm not saying politicains don't pander because they all do...but for the very few times he makes public appereances and they are all so calculated this way the way to come to the podium?
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It was unnecessary to joke around like that when there is no much turmoil in our country. It's no big deal, just not the time and place.

FWIW, my 89 year old mom, who is a typical CNN watcher, asked me today, "And where has Joe Biden been? I haven't seen him on the news at all recently."


thats kinda how I see it. We have riotes all over the place, still dealing with a pandemic, police brutality issues, and someone tried to assassinate two cops in LA the other day but he thinks its time to jam out...it was so cringe. I'm not saying politicains don't pander because they all do...but for the very few times he makes public appereances and they are all so calculated this way the way to come to the podium?


The two cops from the execution squad?
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Post#1155 » by mpharris36 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:45 am

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It was unnecessary to joke around like that when there is no much turmoil in our country. It's no big deal, just not the time and place.

FWIW, my 89 year old mom, who is a typical CNN watcher, asked me today, "And where has Joe Biden been? I haven't seen him on the news at all recently."


thats kinda how I see it. We have riotes all over the place, still dealing with a pandemic, police brutality issues, and someone tried to assassinate two cops in LA the other day but he thinks its time to jam out...it was so cringe. I'm not saying politicains don't pander because they all do...but for the very few times he makes public appereances and they are all so calculated this way the way to come to the podium?


The two cops from the execution squad?


I prefer not to go down the road you might be inferring. The only fact I know right now is one is a 30 year old mother of a 6 year old boy. If you believe she desreves to die because there are members on that force that are indeed part of a gang...well to put it nicely I can't support that.
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Post#1156 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:49 am

j4remi wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
j4remi wrote:Nobody that discusses polls in earnest is just looking at the topline data and the discussion on the Latin vote should be about moving the margins not just "we're winning so it's fine." The good stuff is in reading the data inside, like here from that poll...



Now to me...this begs the question, "wtf did Trump do that managed to win over more support from Florida Latinos?" And I ask that because Biden has lost ground with them. He's made up that ground via displaced Puerto Ricans (yall should be so damned grateful for us :P ), that's not the same as the margins just holding from last race to now. It's a deeper context that I personally think is worth exploring. And it's not like this is solely clickbait crap that some of the hyperbole suggests...here's 538 looking to contextualize polling data on Latino voters with some depth

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-some-latino-voters-are-backing-trump/

You don't need a "perfect candidate" to appeal to these voters. The question about why these margins haven't moved more dramatically is a lot more nuanced and could be valuable both this election and into the future. I think the most interesting part from that 538 discussion as someone with family in Florida is at 44 minutes into the discussion where media misinformation comes up as having potential impacts there. That's a phenomenon I feel like I'm witnessing in my personal life, but can't attest to beyond a number of anecdotes.


I don’t think it’s anything that Biden isn’t doing that Clinton did, but rather the fact that the Trump campaign has targeted these voters, especially Cubans and Venezuelans with propaganda that Biden is a socialist. Trump campaign has actually made efforts to capture these voters. The second thing is that Trump is the incumbent. People that don’t closely follow politics are usually deferent to the current President, they see his name on the cheques and they don’t closely follow the news. The third point I’d make is that some of the samples out of Florida are heavily weighted to Cuban voters who are largely Republican and were skeptical of Trump in 2016 but have come home essentially.


I think the propaganda and targeting part is why that 538 reference to Florida local media hits home so hard. I can't express to you how many conversations I've had on issues with my Florida fam where they are operating on a different wavelength for what's currently happening in the country and/or why it's occurring. I don't buy the incumbent thing as much, at least not without a heavy dose of misinformation about the state of things to help nudge it into efficacy.

I've mentioned before that I don't think this is so much a Biden problem as an outreach and resource allocation problem. The push for these voters is happening late for both campaigns and I think that's partially why we're seeing the numbers trend toward the same exact margins as usual. All needling about Bush affiliation aside, I really like the Lincoln Project idea of connecting Puerto Rico to FL. Bitcofer mentioned targeting younger generation Cubans as well. I think those are smart target demos that can have expanded impacts. They've got the resources to be effective too, so between them and Bloomberg (yuck to both for me but I'll hold my nose); we may get a brief look at what a big resource focused push can accomplish in short order with the demo.


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Post#1157 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:52 am

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It was unnecessary to joke around like that when there is no much turmoil in our country. It's no big deal, just not the time and place.

FWIW, my 89 year old mom, who is a typical CNN watcher, asked me today, "And where has Joe Biden been? I haven't seen him on the news at all recently."


thats kinda how I see it. We have riotes all over the place, still dealing with a pandemic, police brutality issues, and someone tried to assassinate two cops in LA the other day but he thinks its time to jam out...it was so cringe. I'm not saying politicains don't pander because they all do...but for the very few times he makes public appereances and they are all so calculated this way the way to come to the podium?


Yes the biggest problem in the country is Biden walking out to Depacito and Nancy Pelosi’s hair. Care to comment on the human rights abuses that are happening in your country as a direct result of Trump’s immigration policy?

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Post#1158 » by mpharris36 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:54 am

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It was unnecessary to joke around like that when there is no much turmoil in our country. It's no big deal, just not the time and place.

FWIW, my 89 year old mom, who is a typical CNN watcher, asked me today, "And where has Joe Biden been? I haven't seen him on the news at all recently."


thats kinda how I see it. We have riotes all over the place, still dealing with a pandemic, police brutality issues, and someone tried to assassinate two cops in LA the other day but he thinks its time to jam out...it was so cringe. I'm not saying politicains don't pander because they all do...but for the very few times he makes public appereances and they are all so calculated this way the way to come to the podium?


Yes the biggest problem in the country is Biden walking out to Depacito and Nancy Pelosi’s hair. Care to comment on the human rights abuses that are happening in your country as a direct result of Trump’s immigration policy?

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who said it was the biggest problem? I thought it was cringe worthy and funny thats all :lol: :lol:
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Post#1159 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:22 am

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thats kinda how I see it. We have riotes all over the place, still dealing with a pandemic, police brutality issues, and someone tried to assassinate two cops in LA the other day but he thinks its time to jam out...it was so cringe. I'm not saying politicains don't pander because they all do...but for the very few times he makes public appereances and they are all so calculated this way the way to come to the podium?


The two cops from the execution squad?


I prefer not to go down the road you might be inferring. The only fact I know right now is one is a 30 year old mother of a 6 year old boy. If you believe she desreves to die because there are members on that force that are indeed part of a gang...well to put it nicely I can't support that.


I don't think anyone really supports it but some have pointed to it as a reflexive response to the systemic and brutal treatment at the hands of police. If you want to get really basic about, you can look no further than The Bible.

"A man shall reap what he sows."
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Post#1160 » by mpharris36 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:34 am

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The two cops from the execution squad?


I prefer not to go down the road you might be inferring. The only fact I know right now is one is a 30 year old mother of a 6 year old boy. If you believe she desreves to die because there are members on that force that are indeed part of a gang...well to put it nicely I can't support that.


I don't think anyone really supports it but some have pointed to it as a reflexive response to the systemic and brutal treatment at the hands of police. If you want to get really basic about, you can look no further than The Bible.

"A man shall reap what he sows."


And my stance go to Derrick Chauvin and do that if you really want the "eye for an eye" approach. Honestly I wouldn't shed a tear, but unless some facts drop that these two officers were specifically involved some sort of incident or criminal activity it just seems like an assassination attempt on two innocent people that for all we know could be upstanding citizens.

I mean wingo you had a group of people outside the hospital chanting "I hope they die". Have we really gotten to that point of no return? But then I see men like Najee Ali and believe there is hope.

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