moocow007 wrote: thebuzzardman wrote:
I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.
As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.
So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.
But this is a risk squared or cubed.
There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³
of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.
That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.
Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.
This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.
Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses
Problem obviously if this was a 32 year old CP3 the Knicks would have to basically trade away everything they have now and in the future for him instead of basically giving up 2 young guys that likely won't be part of their future and 2 2nd round picks. Sure the risks of CP3 going down will be disastrous in the court of public opinion but it wouldn't likely be for what the Knicks would be giving up but just because they are the Knicks. To which would the next 2 years of near guaranteed wallowing in pathetic misery (which is what the chances strongly indicate it will be if they just sit tight) be all that different? Sure sure the draft. The Knicks sucked the last 2 seasons and still got screwed with draft positions so stinking isn't a guarantee of anything either.
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I prefer Frank to DSJr, but have always said one of them should be dealt this year, especially if they sign or draft a PG.
So, in that regard it's not the end of the world and something I've generally supported
And while Knox hasn't been that great, putting in another young player gives me pause in a trade.
And that's knowing you have to give to get, but while Knicks get the better player, he's at the end of his career and making 40 million per.
Not sure what to think of the picks. IF they are just #2's, I guess it's ok, but that draft will be so deep, who knows who falls, particularly to the Charlotte pick. If the other is the Detroit pick, that could be good for a 2nd rounder too.
Also, 2nd round picks have a lot of financial flexibility and dealing those away seems "counter Aller"