Deeeez Knicks wrote: NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Yea, pretty much every metric shows Mitch makes a big impact on both ends and was our best player. Despite horrible coaching, 0 spacing, and bad PG play he still broke the fg% record. He will only get better, just if we improve the situation and give him more minutes...then if he also can improve some areas of his game he has a lot of room to get better.
The problem here is that he has a low ceiling on offense, no amount of hypothetical scenarios of him putting the ball on the floor will change the fact he's got no post game, no jumper and relies on someone setting the table for him to eat. He is 100% a defensive rim runner, almost every good player that falls into that player type has had really good advanced stats at one point. Even if you want him to play a quasi Bam type role, the finals are showing that even Bam is going to need to be able to shoot it from outside, the Heat have a much better offensive rating now with Kelly Olynyk on the floor in the finals, and the Lakers have essentially abandoned playing Dwight & JaVale now. Your center has to be able to provide offense if you want to win, what Mitch does during the regular season is going to get him paid, but that stuff doesn't work in the playoffs when teams can gameplan for it, and it's even more damaging when the team has a max or near max rim roller on their salary.
Anthony Davis is a superstar unicorn and a matchup nightmare. I think everyone would agree that if we could get a player like that we would be better off. But those guys are hard to find.
In terms of Miami, Bam still helped them get to the finals and is a hell of a player. Not sure I would be quick to infer you cant win with him when they are making a nice run. They are just overmatched right now against the Lakers. Lebron and AD are a sick combo. Lebron has also won with Tristan Thompson and Haslem too. He is one of the best of all time, and AD is up there as well. Even still, they have basically been starting defensive rim running C's all playoffs too and rolling over everyone.
But Knicks can't even compare to those teams right now. We are nowhere near that level. What we have are some young, raw players still developing. We shouldnt give up on players so fast just because they dont match what the Lakers have or can't shoot yet. RJ is not Lebron or Butler either but doesnt mean we should trade him. Mitch is still young and raw. Not saying he will def develop more, but i certainly think it's possible. We just brought in all these developmental coaches and he will no doubt look a lot better on the court in a better situation. Even as raw as Mitch was, it was pretty amazing how much value he brought to this team. We def look a lot better with Mitch on the floor on both ends and the numbers all back that up.
We shouldn't be putting a lot of money into the C spot if it's not a Jokic, Embiid, Davis type of talent, that's really the point. They have been starting rim rollers on vet minimum deals, are we going to sign Mitch to a contract like that? Everyone thought the contract Tristan got was awful, and the Heat won the titles with Bosh at C, and even then Haslem wasn't a rim roller, he was a mid range pick and pop guy.
Bam isn't solely just a rim runner, they run offense through him and even then the fact that he can't score reliably or space the floor has become a problem. And, I think long term you'll see Bam start shooting threes next season or the season after that. I don't just want to make the finals, I want us to ultimately win it, and nobody is doing that with a max contract rim roller. Mitch is going to get paid based on what he does, that is a fact, and to me it sounds like the Knicks are at least a little worried about that as well.
I don't really put too much stock into how much value Mitch brought to a bad team, Andre Drummond posted some great advanced stats his first couple years, and we see how that's turned out. Also, he's 22, being raw at 22 for a big isn't really a good thing at this point. He's not going to be afforded a lot of chances to play outside of his comfort zone, he's going to rim roll, even in some of the early clips of him working out with our coaches all he was doing was dunking either hand under the rim
I get it, we haven't had a lot of good young players, but this one is fools gold that will post some nice regular season numbers but in a series with say, the Sixers, they can actually just guard him with Ben Simmons on a switch. You can gameplan these guys off the floor if a coach is good enough, it's not like he's some unseen talent, teams know what to do when guys like him are on the court now.