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WargamesX wrote:Fat Kat wrote:
Yeah but let’s put up some offense highlights. His defense can’t be the main reason he should be drafted at 8. We’re not the Hawks who have a great offense and need defense to take the next step. We need talent.
WargamesX wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:Has Knicks taking Vassell with Okoro and Hayes on the board.
Interesting note on the Knicks possibly swapping with the Hawks to take Haliburton. I would only trade up for Killian.. might as well just stay and grab Killian in this one.The Hawks could also explore the idea of swapping picks with the New York Knicks, who may be interested in Haliburton's floor game and maturity. At No. 8, Atlanta could add more defense with Isaac Okoro or Devin Vassell.
That would be interesting and make sense. What would we have to give them to move up those two spots.
god shammgod wrote:we not moving up to take frankiburton
3toheadmelo wrote:Juco24 wrote:These playoffs have really shown the importance of having a great shooter and it reminded me of this article from a few weeks ago....
Cole Anthony
Like Wiseman, we saw a very small sample size but this was due to injury. Anthony is a great scorer and a terrific rebounder for his height, but will take a few years until we see his peak performance.
Floor: Dennis Smith Jr.
Ceiling: Jamal Murray
Watching Murray.... damn it I'd be willing to roll the dice on Cole.
And get Isiah Stewart with #27
Cole/Frank/Mitch/RJ/Stewart and KEEP the assets as opposed to trading.
I'll pass on Cole. He's more of a 6th man type Collin Sexton player than a Murray type player. If we tryna get a Murray type PG.. I would go for Hayes imo.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Angryfatboy wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Worst case scenario for Vassell isn't 3 & D, it's that the 3 isn't real and you're left with a guy who is very limited on offense. That is why you see names like Williams and Okoro so much now for us, because it's easier to teach someone to shoot than it is to teach them to dribble and dynamic players are what teams want. You can go back 10 years, and the most successful 3 & D guy taken in the lottery so far has been Otto Porter, and the second is Mikal Bridges, there are a whole lot more busts for the 3 & D player type in the lottery than there have been successes, because you can find these type of players later in the draft.
I'd much prefer Okoro over Vassell, there's just more to work with there with the hopes that he can develop into more.
What’s the indication he can’t shoot the 3?
“ This past season, he finished fifth in the ACC in three-point percentage, shooting 41.5% on 3.5 attempts per game. In Vassell’s freshman season, he shot 41.9% from beyond the arc on 1.9 attempts per game, so his successful three-point shooting is something that has been a staple in his game for his entire career, not just one season.”
According to his Synergy Sports profile, Vassell was dangerous from pretty much every zone behind the three-point line in 2019-20. His highest volume of three-point attempts came from the left/right wings, where the 6-6 swing-man shot 40.8% on 49 attempts. Vassell shot 41% last season on left/right corner three-point field goals (39 attempts), and he went 8 for 18 (44%) on three-point attempts from the top of the key.
He’s gonna be an elite role player easily . I’ll take that at pick 8 in this particular draft long term next to RJ and mitch to grow with.
What’s the plan with Barret and okoro? It’s a on over lap of play styles there both drivers. Your taking away from Barrets development if you force him to be a spot up shooter while putting the ball in okoros hands and your taking away from okoros development putting the ball in Barrets hands while forcing okoro to be a spot up shooter. And the fact neither of them can shoot or hit free throws its going to be an awkward development process in general.
In today’s nba teams are coming down the court shooting the 3 ball not coming down the court with 2 drivers who are shaky shooters On the wing lol. I don’t like it man If we had a center that could space the floor and real shooters to compliment it then ok that makes more sense.
Free throw shooting, there's a correlation between freethrow shooting in college and 3 point shooting at the next level. He was not a high volume three point shooter, it would be one thing if he was taking 5 per game and shot 80%+ from the line, but the volume he took was low and being 73.8% from the line for a supposed shooter is not good. For example, Lonzo Ball shot 41.2% from three and 67% from the line, he took 90 more threes on the year than Vassell, a much higher volume of threes and his shooting didn't translate.
You're drafting someone like Okoro and hoping he develops like Jaylen Brown did, another guy who was a great athlete with a shaky shot, but could handle the ball. You draft Okoro with the idea that he can be taught to hit corner threes because there's a similar level defender there with a better handle & much more capable of finishing at the rim, you draft a Patrick Williams with the same hope, because he showed promise handling the ball in PnR and hitting pullups off closeouts. How RJ & Okoro fit together next year would be troubling, but how they'd fit together 3 years from now after they've had development time is why you do it. I wouldn't want to blow a lottery pick on a guy whose projection is 3 & D, there's going to be someone taken later on or undrafted that will do the exact same thing, but is probably just 2-3 years older.
We shouldn't be building our team for "todays NBA" either, we should be looking at the Celtics with their multiple ball handlers who can drive, create or shoot off the catch as the template for the future. The stand and watch 1 guy create type of offense is cool if you have Luka or LeBron, we don't have that. If you look at the teams left in the playoffs, almost all of the 3 & D wings are value guys on good deals, some of them were undrafted (Craig) while others were second rounders (Green, Crowder).
Juco24 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Juco24 wrote:These playoffs have really shown the importance of having a great shooter and it reminded me of this article from a few weeks ago....
Cole Anthony
Like Wiseman, we saw a very small sample size but this was due to injury. Anthony is a great scorer and a terrific rebounder for his height, but will take a few years until we see his peak performance.
Floor: Dennis Smith Jr.
Ceiling: Jamal Murray
Watching Murray.... damn it I'd be willing to roll the dice on Cole.
And get Isiah Stewart with #27
Cole/Frank/Mitch/RJ/Stewart and KEEP the assets as opposed to trading.
I'll pass on Cole. He's more of a 6th man type Collin Sexton player than a Murray type player. If we tryna get a Murray type PG.. I would go for Hayes imo.
Haven't watched enough of Hayes to give feedback but I know you do your homework... also know Cole can score and will get even better. Beyond what some believe... it's hard to become a good shooter and Cole can flat out shoot. Just hard to justify choosing him @ 8
3toheadmelo wrote:Juco24 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:I'll pass on Cole. He's more of a 6th man type Collin Sexton player than a Murray type player. If we tryna get a Murray type PG.. I would go for Hayes imo.
Haven't watched enough of Hayes to give feedback but I know you do your homework... also know Cole can score and will get even better. Beyond what some believe... it's hard to become a good shooter and Cole can flat out shoot. Just hard to justify choosing him @ 8
Yeah Cole can score. I see him a 6th man guy though like Sexton (Who averaged 21 PPG this season). I don't know if Cole's playmaking, defense, effiency will improve to put him as a starter. I think Hayes has less flaws and is more likely to be a starting quality PG that can score on all 3 levels, playmake and be a versatile defender at 6'5.
If we get Cole i'll root for him though. But honestly, I would rather see what DSJ can do with our new coaching staff instead of drafting someone like Cole, if it came between them 2.
robillionaire wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Juco24 wrote:
Haven't watched enough of Hayes to give feedback but I know you do your homework... also know Cole can score and will get even better. Beyond what some believe... it's hard to become a good shooter and Cole can flat out shoot. Just hard to justify choosing him @ 8
Yeah Cole can score. I see him a 6th man guy though like Sexton (Who averaged 21 PPG this season). I don't know if Cole's playmaking, defense, effiency will improve to put him as a starter. I think Hayes has less flaws and is more likely to be a starting quality PG that can score on all 3 levels, playmake and be a versatile defender at 6'5.
If we get Cole i'll root for him though. But honestly, I would rather see what DSJ can do with our new coaching staff instead of drafting someone like Cole, if it came between them 2.
sexton has started in almost every game he ever played in though
3toheadmelo wrote:robillionaire wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah Cole can score. I see him a 6th man guy though like Sexton (Who averaged 21 PPG this season). I don't know if Cole's playmaking, defense, effiency will improve to put him as a starter. I think Hayes has less flaws and is more likely to be a starting quality PG that can score on all 3 levels, playmake and be a versatile defender at 6'5.
If we get Cole i'll root for him though. But honestly, I would rather see what DSJ can do with our new coaching staff instead of drafting someone like Cole, if it came between them 2.
sexton has started in almost every game he ever played in though
Cause Cleveland doesn't have any guards. I think most of us view Sexton as a 6th man. And I like Sexton
god shammgod wrote:we not moving up to take frankiburton
Angryfatboy wrote:Vassells shot Chart
Okoros shot chart
Okoro is the definition of a what if type of player. He has the talent to be great but that talent has a black cloud hanging over it because of how far off of a shooter he is.
shooting is easy to fix? well that comes down to the player
Still waiting on dennis, kevin knox, ntilkina.
robillionaire wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:robillionaire wrote:
sexton has started in almost every game he ever played in though
Cause Cleveland doesn't have any guards. I think most of us view Sexton as a 6th man. And I like Sexton
let's just say if the knicks ever draft a pg who averages 21ppg and shoots 40% from 3 not only will we not see them as a 6th man we will hail them as the 2nd coming of christ
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
I like Patrick more than Vassell, showed more with the ball in his hands and got to the line more despite playing less.
Yeah, I like him reminds me a little bit of Marcus Morris. I'd rather take a chance on someone that has upside in creating shots for himself than someone like Vassell.
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Yea, that term is tossed around way too much in the draft in a negative way. It's like any player that can shoot or defend just gets tossed into that box when there's a lot more going on.
Even Mikal is not really just an ordinary 3D player...He has been getting better and making a big impact.