Clyde_Style wrote: stuporman wrote:
in your head only, but the Lincoln Project participants have their own reasons for opposing Trump. That does not conflate into them sitting at a table with Biden's people dictating policy to the DNC
It's in the proof, the policy, the pudding. The past 3 decades the policy coming from Democrats and the compromises they make are more Republican than they are progressive. Even the ACA is really just based on Romneycare that originally came from a conservative think tank.No, it's pretty clear to anyone watching who has more influence over the Dems and TLP are just the current conservative group to be weaseling their way in.
The divergence to that pattern I'm seeing is progressives have changed the conversation in the public enough about policy combining it with winning seats and getting primary votes so that it has influenced the policy the dems are talking about....let's see if they follow it up with actually policy made. That's the goal, not just the rhetoric.
It may not be medicare for all but at least a public option with safeguards against InsCo abuse, maybe not education for all but a means tested version, maybe not the green new deal but a clean energy initiative. All of these more neutered versions coming out of the dems are only here because of progressives winning seats and votes and talking about them. Let's see if it can get passed, then I won't be saying this anymore becuase it isn't reality anymore, until then it still is.
Broad strokes don't make your original comment correct though. It was an off the cuff comment that was erroneous
Rick Wilson is a grifter, a smart one, but definitely a grifter. George Conway is part of the Lincoln Project too. He supports the Barrett nomination. These grifters don't care if Roe vs. Wade gets overturned. They are not dictating terms to the Democrats. Mitch is not setting Biden's policy. Romney is not going to be whispering in Biden's ear to get what he wants.
The GOP has set itself completely on fire and obliterated any bridge to DNC policy making going forward. Sen. Whitehouse's comments make that exceedingly clear they will not be sitting at the table when it comes to policy. They steamrolled everything in their path so when the Dems take control they are not going to be dictated to by the effing GOP.
I spoke of specifics, not broad strokes. I gave instances not hypotheticals. Fracking exploded under the O-B administration and Biden still says he won't completely ban it even though fracking has never turned a profit and is an environmental catastrophe. Is that more of a conservative position or a progressive one?
The number of wars and drone bombing increased under O-B, is that more of a conservative position or progressive one? The housing bubble bailouts were virtually all for banks and financial institutions. Conservative or progressive influence? The establishment Dems repeatedly take the conservative position not the progressive one.
This is consistent policy over many decades and Biden has been in the center of this process the whole time. So if you are going to ask me which am I to believe, what they say or what they do? The election year rhetoric is one thing, the policy is another. Obama promised hope and change but all he delivered was more of the same and that's why we got Trump.
Biden and his deluded notion that post Trump he thinks McConnell and the GOP will all of a sudden become more "mildly cooperative"....um, is he serious? Hasn't even won yet but already running right to compromise, will he ever learn? The GOP will return to what they always have done, obstruct and block the dems at every chance.
If Biden wins progressive will need to drag him kicking and screaming to the progressive hinting policies he's been talking about because if left to their own devices the establishment dems will let the GOP stymie them barely putting up a fight other than in front of the cameras and shrug to the people saying 'we tried'.
That is the lib way for decades and until they do something different I won't believe it is different. It's what gets done that matters to me not what they say they will do but don't then offer up a litany of excuses why not. Proof is in the eating of the pudding and all they have been serving to the populous is whipped turds.