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2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) 

Post#1821 » by NewYorkPride85 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:03 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:All these controversial feelings over LaMelo.

He'll be a Knick for certain.

Then the side taking and board infighting will be splendid.

I can hardly wait.


It does make for entertaining reading, lol. I just hope Leon relies on all the experts he has hired and makes the right call. Nothing worse than having assets like Perrin and Kline just to bypass them on their recommendations.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) 

Post#1823 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:07 pm

yeah. i can very much live with okoro at 8. i think that's your jimmy butler type who actually will figure out his best shooting application in the NBA. thibs would love coaching a kid like this.
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Post#1824 » by robillionaire » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:09 pm

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K-DOT wrote:I'm also gonna keep pointing out how poorly his team played

Especially if you're gonna say "look what he did in the NBL against grown men," I have to also again point out his team was the worst scoring team in the league and least efficient from the field

Sure, he could be a generational passer at 6'8, but he's significantly more raw at running a team than people like to admit. I think he has the biggest boom/bust potential in the draft, and especially considering how raw his scoring and defense are, I would be hesitant to take him

I like Haliburton, but you could also sell me on reaching for Kira over trading up for LaMelo.


It's not like Haliburton or Kira's teams were very good either, they were both near the bottom of their respective conferences. And they were both 2nd year players in college, which means they should dominate. Haliburton can't get by NBA defenders, or college defenders, there is no debate to be had there. LaMelo isn't slow, he has a quick first step and a great to arguably elite handle. We have video of LaMelo using his moves to blow by his defenders, or just putting them on skates. sure that won't be as easy in the NBA but he has just as good of a chance as anybody else would and his unique height is going to give him advantages as well. He will be one of the best rebounders at the position and this will lead to him being able to push the break. Haliburton has a similar thin frame but without the handle or the agility to create space to shoot off the dribble.

people who don't want him are hanging on to that 25% figure in 12 game sample size not giving him any benefit that there's an adjustment period or anything like that and hoping that it tells the story of his entire career and it will prove to be a mistake

But neither of them are supposed to be generational passers

Also, the record isn't what I'm looking at, it's team offense

Ball's team was dead last in offense in his league in points and efficiency

Iowa State was 2nd in their conference in points, 5th in efficiency (out of 10, so middle of the pack)

Alabama was 1st in their conference in points, 2nd in efficiency

Their team's problems were on defense, where Bama was 4th worst in the SEC, and Iowa State was last by a wide margin. Which is in part to Haliburton and Kira, but not mostly on them.


I'm not sure what we are supposed to read into that, he played in 12 games and his team was already the worst team before he got there and couldn't even make wide open shots and dunks, yet he still averaged high assists with an impressive assist to turnover ratio, and then after he left they were still the worst team. Obviously his own shooting efficiency was bad so that brought the overall team's down as well, I'm not letting him off the hook for that. But I'm not going to not pick him based on the fact he couldn't go down there to an adult pro league at 18 and work miracles with those bums in a dozen games and make them learn how to make shots, the team was just bad. I imagine when he's playing with actual talent he will look that much better.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) 

Post#1825 » by god shammgod » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:09 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:yeah. i can very much live with okoro at 8. i think that's your jimmy butler type who actually will figure out his best shooting application in the NBA. thibs would love coaching a kid like this.


might not last until then unfortunately. seems to be moving up.
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Post#1826 » by Gravy » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:10 pm

Feels like Lamelo is this year's Trae Young in divisiveness.
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Post#1827 » by robillionaire » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:11 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:yeah. i can very much live with okoro at 8. i think that's your jimmy butler type who actually will figure out his best shooting application in the NBA. thibs would love coaching a kid like this.


Assuming no trade up, staying at 8 okoro is the guy I'd be most happy with, I could be optimistic with Hayes on the chance he's there. But aside from them if they don't fall I would really advise they look into trading down either for multiple picks like the Boston scenarios or for a future pick is someone is willing to part with one
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Post#1828 » by Reign23 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:14 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:yeah. i can very much live with okoro at 8. i think that's your jimmy butler type who actually will figure out his best shooting application in the NBA. thibs would love coaching a kid like this.


might not last until then unfortunately. seems to be moving up.

yeah hopefully. I think the hawks should grab him at 6. perfect for them, because they already have shooting all over the floor.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) 

Post#1829 » by robillionaire » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:34 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:Reading the tea leaves I wouldn’t be surprised if this is our starting lineup next season

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Post#1830 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:36 pm

I think we’re drafting Okoro or Haliburton. I hope Okoro develops a shot cause if he doesn’t he’s gonna be trash. Haliburton seems to be making some progress with his shot off the dribble.
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Post#1831 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:38 pm

Is there any footage of Okoro working on his shot?
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Post#1832 » by HerSports85 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:41 pm

robillionaire wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:Reading the tea leaves I wouldn’t be surprised if this is our starting lineup next season

Cp3
Maxey
RJ
Melo
Mitch


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these are the paths in front of us. We can go get LaMelo, a young franchise PG which will also allow us a great pick in 2021, or we can go get these geezers or westbrook and pick mid 1st in 2021 and have no future


I’m with you on the last part. I know we need veteran leadership but I want us to roll with a young team and just have Taj as a player coach. I’ve soured on Lamelo a little.

I rather us keep the 8th pick and trade back up to grab any combination of Nesmith, Maxey, Haliburton, RJH or Kira
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) 

Post#1833 » by K-DOT » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:42 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Is there any footage of Okoro working on his shot?

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Post#1834 » by stuporman » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:54 pm

So we've moved off Wiseman and on to LaMelo in discussing players the Knicks have no chance at drafting? Ok....
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Post#1835 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:03 pm

stuporman wrote:So we've moved off Wiseman and on to LaMelo in discussing players the Knicks have no chance at drafting? Ok....


Pretty much. It's the same story year after year. The Knicks picking just outside the top players, allows the board to fantasize on trade-up scenarios to acquire them with zero chance of happening. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#1836 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:04 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Is there any footage of Okoro working on his shot?

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Post#1837 » by louisorr » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:06 pm

I know this doesn't add to interesting conversation, but at this point I'm mostly interested in the mental makeup of our picks. we already have Knox, smith and frank who have no confidence and/or are passive players. That's why I don't see them ever being part of our core. the worst thing we could do is add another player with this type of flawed mindset. this is why I think its not out of the question to give rj ball handling responsibilities, he of the mamba mindset. interviews are more important than highlights for me
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Post#1838 » by Richard4444 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:47 pm

I think we will trade up for LaMello if the cost were reasonable like 2021 Dallas pick (especially if 1-4 protected). The pick is supposed to be in the 12-24 range. Its a good but not great asset.

I think its possible for some team to trade down for this offer. Nobody wants salary and Wolves, GSW and Hornets have Point guards.

I have mixed feelings about give away Mitch to get LaMello.
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Post#1839 » by 8516knicks » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:02 pm

louisorr wrote:I know this doesn't add to interesting conversation, but at this point I'm mostly interested in the mental makeup of our picks. we already have Knox, smith and frank who have no confidence and/or are passive players. That's why I don't see them ever being part of our core. the worst thing we could do is add another player with this type of flawed mindset. this is why I think its not out of the question to give rj ball handling responsibilities, he of the mamba mindset. interviews are more important than highlights for me


Just saw a Mock that had us taking Okoro #8 and Tre Jones #27 - that's elite D which supposedly Thibbs likes.

Tre Jones
Frank
RJ
Okoro
Mitch

Too bad that group can't score. But they play good D.
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Post#1840 » by Angryfatboy » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:04 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:yeah. i can very much live with okoro at 8. i think that's your jimmy butler type who actually will figure out his best shooting application in the NBA. thibs would love coaching a kid like this.


might not last until then unfortunately. seems to be moving up.





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