2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath

[thebuzzardman]

They should have just started issuing everyone checks to the rich, poor, working and middle class. EVERYONE.

Rich and upper middle class money would have made it's way to the investment classes, which is where a lot of the bailouts went anyway. Poor and working class people could pay their rent and eat etc.

Businesses could have gotten loans.

But considering the Senate and Executive are controlled by the Republican party until January, I'm not going to argue any point here too hard.

Voters got what they voted for.

Do you really think Biden is going to propose anything radically different than the SBA loans or extended UI based off previous earnings?
"They should have just started issuing everyone checks to the rich, poor, working and middle class. EVERYONE."
There was a candidate preaching a progressive form of welfare that would've costed peanuts to administer, Andrew Yang.

The markets have changed drastically post covid.
Many of these well paying office jobs are never coming back.
It's time to admit and accept some people are just unemployable post covid and the taxpayer should not be on the hook to pay for their pre covid wages.

A progressive welfare program is UBI.
Anything else is regressive to some degree, and serves a group of special interests, while also creating disincentives that actively harm the economy such as the PUA.

Probably not. I just know where the current blames lies and I don't think it's "all the evil dems in congress".
2/3rd's of the government is aligned against them.
Of course most everyone is fairly co-opted to serve business interests; not saying the dems in congress are some hive of democratic socialism.
But this mess, right now, is largely on the republicans.

When the Dems have more say in f*cking it up in a few months, I'll discuss their part more.

Not going to relitigate the election, but no way was America going to elect the Chinese guy while in the throes of white nationalistic backlash.

I like(d) Yang. No way in God's green earth he gets elected in America 2020 as president.
It's just who the country is. Mostly.

[frothbrain]

https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/the-welfare-cliff-and-why-many-low-income-workers-will-never-overcome-poverty/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncome/comments/a7606a/welfare_is_designed_to_keep_you_poor_as_soon_as/

Two great sources of information above regarding the "Welfare cliff"

Medicare for all and UBI are real solutions. Not half measures that are really corporate subsidies in disguise, bloating the national debt that will be paid for by the future in the form of inflation and higher taxes.

[aq_ua]

AOC and Litte Marco are going at it over the PPP loans and the fact that Project Veritas got almost $600 million in PPP loans, which is outrageous.

Read on Twitter

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Dang, I used to buy my bagels near PV.

[HarthorneWingo]

AOC and Litte Marco are going at it over the PPP loans and the fact that Project Veritas got almost $600 million in PPP loans, which is outrageous.

Read on Twitter

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Dang, I used to buy my bagels near PV.

You live near Mamaroneck? I thought you were on the west coast.

[Pointgod]

Anyone here think that Nancy Pelosi has done a good job on the COVID stimulus negotiations?

Pelosi’s not the problem. You can’t negotiate in good faith with someone who has no intention of negotiating in good faith.

She had a $209M bill on the table she refused to sign saying she was going to get help for cities and states. Now she’s being offered a less than $100M. How is that “ good” under any definition of the word?

Stop shillin for these losers.

Nancy did her job. The House passed a 3 trillion dollar bill . Again I don’t know what more you wanted her to do. She got all her members from furthest left to conservative districts to vote for it. Mitch McConnell refused to take it up in the Senate because he doesn’t want public debate on it. The most Mitch McConnell has offered is 500B TOTAL with unlimited liability protections for businesses. That means businesses can force their employees to go back to work and if they get coronavirus they can’t be held liable. He knows that will never get passed in the Senate. Let’s use some logic. Do you think Pelosi should have accepted McConnell’s deal? The problem is he’d never negotiate in good faith. In a hostage situation Republicans would negotiate for everything they want and still shoot the hostage.

Either you can take a deal now and pass another deal if they win the two Senate seats or wait to see if they win the two Senate seats and be at square one. Remember these are peoples lives on the line

[Pointgod]

When the Republicans are fcking or holding things up, you have to make them pay a political price. She failed miserably.

You won’t find disagreement with me. But guess what nobody stepped up to challenge her leadership. AOC, the squad everyone all voted for her to continue as speaker. Same thing in the Senate. You get the leaders you choose. Just like Republicans choose Mitch, Democrats continue to vote for Pelosi and Schumer so none of them can complain about leadership.

[Pointgod]

They should have just started issuing everyone checks to the rich, poor, working and middle class. EVERYONE.

Rich and upper middle class money would have made it's way to the investment classes, which is where a lot of the bailouts went anyway. Poor and working class people could pay their rent and eat etc.

Businesses could have gotten loans.

But considering the Senate and Executive are controlled by the Republican party until January, I'm not going to argue any point here too hard.

Voters got what they voted for.

Do you really think Biden is going to propose anything radically different than the SBA loans or extended UI based off previous earnings?
"They should have just started issuing everyone checks to the rich, poor, working and middle class. EVERYONE."
There was a candidate preaching a progressive form of welfare that would've costed peanuts to administer, Andrew Yang.

The markets have changed drastically post covid.
Many of these well paying office jobs are never coming back.
It's time to admit and accept some people are just unemployable post covid and the taxpayer should not be on the hook to pay for their pre covid wages.

A progressive welfare program is UBI.
Anything else is regressive to some degree, and serves a group of special interests, while also creating disincentives that actively harm the economy such as the PUA.

Yes. Just go look in the stimulus bill that the Democrats passed months ago. They want direct payments and expanded unemployment payments. If people can’t work from home, then pay them to stay home until the eco only can open back up. It’s not rocket science. The only thing g standing in the way are Republicans. Period. Full stop. They don’t care if people go homeless, bankrupt or get sick and die.

[HarthorneWingo]

When the Republicans are fcking or holding things up, you have to make them pay a political price. She failed miserably.

You won’t find disagreement with me. But guess what nobody stepped up to challenge her leadership. AOC, the squad everyone all voted for her to continue as speaker. Same thing in the Senate. You get the leaders you choose. Just like Republicans choose Mitch, Democrats continue to vote for Pelosi and Schumer so none of them can complain about leadership.

Because Pelosi threatened them all with retaliation. Pelosi and Schumer are two of the biggest - if not THE biggest - fundraisers in the Party, that's the only reason. How do you think they got AOC to go on to The View and forced to bend a knee to Nancy "Momma Bear" Pelosi? And did you see Whoopi Goldberg's snooty reaction? That's how much power she has right now because the system is so rigged by big money.

[Clyde_Style]

Recall how I said Trump was trying to engineer arms deals to generate kickbacks?

He just installed Corey Lewandowski in the Pentagon. He's going for it folks. The sprint to grift every last dollar is on

[Pointgod]

When the Republicans are fcking or holding things up, you have to make them pay a political price. She failed miserably.

You won’t find disagreement with me. But guess what nobody stepped up to challenge her leadership. AOC, the squad everyone all voted for her to continue as speaker. Same thing in the Senate. You get the leaders you choose. Just like Republicans choose Mitch, Democrats continue to vote for Pelosi and Schumer so none of them can complain about leadership.

Because Pelosi threatened them all with retaliation. Pelosi and Schumer are two of the biggest - if not THE biggest - fundraisers in the Party, that's the only reason. How do you think they got AOC to go on to The View and forced to bend a knee to Nancy "Momma Bear" Pelosi? And did you see Whoopi Goldberg's snooty reaction? That's how much power she has right now because the system is so rigged by big money.

Lmaooo how convenient that you’re making excuses for AOC and the rest. I thought that they were ready to go to war with the Establishment? Primary everyone that they don’t like. AOC has her own PAC and doesn’t take corporate money. How convenient that she has a built in excuse for not supporting someone else for leadership.

Just face facts, no one in the Party wants the leadership position because it’s a thankless job and you get all the blame when things don’t work out. Bernie and Warren didn’t make a squeak for Senate Leadership. You can’t blame party leadership when it’s convenient, then do absolutely zero to change the party leadership

[Pointgod]

Recall how I said Trump was trying to engineer arms deals to generate kickbacks?

He just installed Corey Lewandowski in the Pentagon. He's going for it folks. The sprint to grift every last dollar is on

WTF

This is why Adamn Schiff needs to be AG. Every single one of these bastards needs to be exposed and dragged through the streets.

[Clyde_Style]

Recall how I said Trump was trying to engineer arms deals to generate kickbacks?

He just installed Corey Lewandowski in the Pentagon. He's going for it folks. The sprint to grift every last dollar is on

WTF

This is why Adamn Schiff needs to be AG. Every single one of these bastards needs to be exposed and dragged through the streets.

Schiff would be an Elliot Ness kind of AG I think

[Pointgod]

Recall how I said Trump was trying to engineer arms deals to generate kickbacks?

He just installed Corey Lewandowski in the Pentagon. He's going for it folks. The sprint to grift every last dollar is on

WTF

This is why Adamn Schiff needs to be AG. Every single one of these bastards needs to be exposed and dragged through the streets.

Schiff would be an Elliot Ness kind of AG I think

Yes exactly. He’s the chair of the intelligence committee. He knows where the bodies are buried. I keep hearing people say it should be a Preet Bahrer, Sally Yates etc. **** all that. The position needs someone who won’t be afraid to do something unprecedented like investigate a previous administration and won’t give a damn what the public or media thinks. If the next AG doesn’t fully investigate every violation of laws from the Trump administration, then Democrats deserve to be shut out from public office

[Clyde_Style]

You won’t find disagreement with me. But guess what nobody stepped up to challenge her leadership. AOC, the squad everyone all voted for her to continue as speaker. Same thing in the Senate. You get the leaders you choose. Just like Republicans choose Mitch, Democrats continue to vote for Pelosi and Schumer so none of them can complain about leadership.

Because Pelosi threatened them all with retaliation. Pelosi and Schumer are two of the biggest - if not THE biggest - fundraisers in the Party, that's the only reason. How do you think they got AOC to go on to The View and forced to bend a knee to Nancy "Momma Bear" Pelosi? And did you see Whoopi Goldberg's snooty reaction? That's how much power she has right now because the system is so rigged by big money.

Lmaooo how convenient that you’re making excuses for AOC and the rest. I thought that they were ready to go to war with the Establishment? Primary everyone that they don’t like. AOC has her own PAC and doesn’t take corporate money. How convenient that she has a built in excuse for not supporting someone else for leadership.

Just face facts, no one in the Party wants the leadership position because it’s a thankless job and you get all the blame when things don’t work out. Bernie and Warren didn’t make a squeak for Senate Leadership. You can’t blame party leadership when it’s convenient, then do absolutely zero to change the party leadership

The # 1 priority has to be to always deflect from the obstructionists and blame Pelosi for everything. Mitch McConnell is a huge Wingo fan.

[Clyde_Style]

WTF

This is why Adamn Schiff needs to be AG. Every single one of these bastards needs to be exposed and dragged through the streets.

Schiff would be an Elliot Ness kind of AG I think

Yes exactly. He’s the chair of the intelligence committee. He knows where the bodies are buried. I keep hearing people say it should be a Preet Bahrer, Sally Yates etc. **** all that. The position needs someone who won’t be afraid to do something unprecedented like investigate a previous administration and won’t give a damn what the public or media thinks. If the next AG doesn’t fully investigate every violation of laws from the Trump administration, then Democrats deserve to be shut out from public office

I fully agree. I really don't want to roll in the mud or seek revenge, but I sincerely believe if this corruption is not brought to justice it will damage any chance at a successful democracy beyond repair. It will encourage smarter criminals to go even harder into politics and for more political favors to be sold to the highest bidder. Schiff would restore some balance by setting the proper examples to discourage others in the future.

[aq_ua]

AOC and Litte Marco are going at it over the PPP loans and the fact that Project Veritas got almost $600 million in PPP loans, which is outrageous.

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Dang, I used to buy my bagels near PV.

You live near Mamaroneck? I thought you were on the west coast.

Used to live there years ago, I’m on the other side of the world now. Seems like a changed place...

[HarthorneWingo]

You won’t find disagreement with me. But guess what nobody stepped up to challenge her leadership. AOC, the squad everyone all voted for her to continue as speaker. Same thing in the Senate. You get the leaders you choose. Just like Republicans choose Mitch, Democrats continue to vote for Pelosi and Schumer so none of them can complain about leadership.

Because Pelosi threatened them all with retaliation. Pelosi and Schumer are two of the biggest - if not THE biggest - fundraisers in the Party, that's the only reason. How do you think they got AOC to go on to The View and forced to bend a knee to Nancy "Momma Bear" Pelosi? And did you see Whoopi Goldberg's snooty reaction? That's how much power she has right now because the system is so rigged by big money.

Lmaooo how convenient that you’re making excuses for AOC and the rest. I thought that they were ready to go to war with the Establishment? Primary everyone that they don’t like. AOC has her own PAC and doesn’t take corporate money. How convenient that she has a built in excuse for not supporting someone else for leadership.

Just face facts, no one in the Party wants the leadership position because it’s a thankless job and you get all the blame when things don’t work out. Bernie and Warren didn’t make a squeak for Senate Leadership. You can’t blame party leadership when it’s convenient, then do absolutely zero to change the party leadership

They are. She and Bernie are talking about holding up the stimulus unless there are stimulus checks in it for everybody. So, yes, they are out there fighting the establishment and the Biden administration hasn't even begun yet.

Tim Ryan wants the House Speaker position and has for a while. Is he perfect? No. But he's head and shoulder better than "Her."

[Oscirus]

Pelosi’s not the problem. You can’t negotiate in good faith with someone who has no intention of negotiating in good faith.

She had a $209M bill on the table she refused to sign saying she was going to get help for cities and states. Now she’s being offered a less than $100M. How is that “ good” under any definition of the word?

Stop shillin for these losers.

Nancy did her job. The House passed a 3 trillion dollar bill . Again I don’t know what more you wanted her to do. She got all her members from furthest left to conservative districts to vote for it. Mitch McConnell refused to take it up in the Senate because he doesn’t want public debate on it. The most Mitch McConnell has offered is 500B TOTAL with unlimited liability protections for businesses. That means businesses can force their employees to go back to work and if they get coronavirus they can’t be held liable. He knows that will never get passed in the Senate. Let’s use some logic. Do you think Pelosi should have accepted McConnell’s deal? The problem is he’d never negotiate in good faith. In a hostage situation Republicans would negotiate for everything they want and still shoot the hostage.

Either you can take a deal now and pass another deal if they win the two Senate seats or wait to see if they win the two Senate seats and be at square one. Remember these are peoples lives on the line

She passed a 3.3 trillion bill that she knew was never gonna pass, then dropped to 2.2 million then turned down the white house counter of 1.9 million only to accept the current 900 billion dollar bill which

Read on Twitter

is embarrassing to say the least

And sure bidens a **** for coming out and supporting that bill thereby kneecapping the dems ( between this and lowering college loan forgiveness pledge from 50k to 10k he's already off to a great start and he's not even president yet), but its ultimately still up to her to fight and not fold at the first sign of pressure.

[Thepaintismine]

Come January 20th, I think Trump will be President. The evidence for voter fraud (hundreds of sworn affidavits) is going to be too much for the Legislatures/Electors to overcome. Not sure where it will happen, probably at the State level, but always a chance for the Supreme Court to get involved.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Come January 20th, I think Trump will be President. The evidence for voter fraud (hundreds of sworn affidavits) is going to be too much for the Legislatures/Electors to overcome. Not sure where it will happen, probably at the State level, but always a chance for the Supreme Court to get involved.

Lmao