NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Dantares wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:He's not a stretch 4, and he should not be "spacing the floor for Mitch" we took him 8th and were willing to trade up to get him, they are viewing him as an offensive option. If anything look at how John Collins is used, that is essentially what we should be hoping for from Toppin. The kid is an inside-out threat, relegating him to being a stretch 4 is a waste of a pick.
interesting take. but what exactly do you think Obi is going to be able to do inside? If mitch is the guy that sets the high pick for the PG then Obi needs to get out of the paint so Mitch and the PG can run pick and roll. Obi is not going to be able to post up against stonger NBA players like he did in college, he is listed at 220 pounds and he is not going to get much bigger since he is already 22 yrs old. Obi doesnt' have any face up game and he doesnt shoot the midrange shot at all. which is an important shot needed to become a shot creator.
Collins is the guys that runs pick and roll and shoots. That's not going to be Obi's role here if he starts with Mitch. Thibs said in the modern NBA you need 4 out on the perimeter and 1 inside. Since RJ and Mitch can't shoot well that means Obi is going to have to play more on the perimeter than he did in college.
See, this is the disconnect, you're viewing this as Mitch, RJ and Obi, when in fact it's RJ and Obi as the players who everyone else will be fitting around. They drafted Obi because they think he'll be able to come in and score right away, and to do that he needs the same space you're allowing for Mitch. Also, you're wrong in the sense that he won't post up, the NBA is switch happy and there could be situations where a much smaller player ends up on the rollman, would you rather Obi try posting up a 200-215lbs wing, or Mitch trying the same, who is more likely to have success against a switch if the roll is stopped.
They didn't draft this guy to be a stretch 4 and hang out around the 3 point line all game, he's not even going to be a high percentage shooter right away. What will happen in the long term is that if Mitch can't shoot they will move him, it's that simple, they were willing to trade up to get this guy, and you think he wont have the offense catered to him, but instead we'll make our inside-out threat PF hang out at the 3 point line all game so Mitch can just roll to the rim?
umm what now? If Mitch can't shoot we're going to move him so Obi can fill the lanes? I mean its possible. The disconnect with my point of view is that Obi is a 22 year old rookie. 22 yr olds drafted in the lottery have a horrible success rate. and he is very light at 220 pounds. The only starting 4's at that weight or lighter are stretch 4's. what I am trying to say is maybe Obi won't be able to create his own shot that good or become a big time scorer. what if he ends up like Beasley and Derrick Williams who both dominated in college with their size but ended up being tweeners in the NBA.
Mitch is one of the best lob threats in the NBA period. Rose already said him and RJ are the building blocks of this team.
edit: i forgot you've been negative on Mitch. ok we will see what happens