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Dantares wrote:

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

Dantares wrote:
interesting take. but what exactly do you think Obi is going to be able to do inside? If mitch is the guy that sets the high pick for the PG then Obi needs to get out of the paint so Mitch and the PG can run pick and roll. Obi is not going to be able to post up against stonger NBA players like he did in college, he is listed at 220 pounds and he is not going to get much bigger since he is already 22 yrs old. Obi doesnt' have any face up game and he doesnt shoot the midrange shot at all. which is an important shot needed to become a shot creator.

Collins is the guys that runs pick and roll and shoots. That's not going to be Obi's role here if he starts with Mitch. Thibs said in the modern NBA you need 4 out on the perimeter and 1 inside. Since RJ and Mitch can't shoot well that means Obi is going to have to play more on the perimeter than he did in college.

See, this is the disconnect, you're viewing this as Mitch, RJ and Obi, when in fact it's RJ and Obi as the players who everyone else will be fitting around. They drafted Obi because they think he'll be able to come in and score right away, and to do that he needs the same space you're allowing for Mitch. Also, you're wrong in the sense that he won't post up, the NBA is switch happy and there could be situations where a much smaller player ends up on the rollman, would you rather Obi try posting up a 200-215lbs wing, or Mitch trying the same, who is more likely to have success against a switch if the roll is stopped.


They didn't draft this guy to be a stretch 4 and hang out around the 3 point line all game, he's not even going to be a high percentage shooter right away. What will happen in the long term is that if Mitch can't shoot they will move him, it's that simple, they were willing to trade up to get this guy, and you think he wont have the offense catered to him, but instead we'll make our inside-out threat PF hang out at the 3 point line all game so Mitch can just roll to the rim?

umm what now? If Mitch can't shoot we're going to move him so Obi can fill the lanes? I mean its possible. The disconnect with my point of view is that Obi is a 22 year old rookie. 22 yr olds drafted in the lottery have a horrible success rate. and he is very light at 220 pounds. The only starting 4's at that weight or lighter are stretch 4's. what I am trying to say is maybe Obi won't be able to create his own shot that good or become a big time scorer. what if he ends up like Beasley and Derrick Williams who both dominated in college with their size but ended up being tweeners in the NBA.

Mitch is one of the best lob threats in the NBA period. Rose already said him and RJ are the building blocks of this team.

edit: i forgot you've been negative on Mitch. ok we will see what happens

thebuzzardman wrote:

CharlesOakley wrote:We drafted Amare with a 3-pointer at #8 and you guys are complaining?

I've come around on the pick, but Amare and Tyson Chandler really didn't work that well.

Not awful, but...a little bit not the greatest fit.

36-30 season 1
54-28 season 2 and the only semblance of good guard play, so there's a way to say this current thing could work if....
37-45 season 3

And those teams had Carmelo Anthony. Knicks have RJ.

Anyway, Knicks being contenders or Rome wasn't built in a day, so I'm ok with the pick.
The needed a PG/Wing who could create for themselves and others in the worst way, but again, when Rose & Co took over, I figured even with aggressive trading/FA/drafting, it was still going to take 2-3 years to be a playoff team. Maybe longer if the focus was draft/youth heavy.

Jeff Van Gully wrote:

thebuzzardman wrote:

CharlesOakley wrote:We drafted Amare with a 3-pointer at #8 and you guys are complaining?

I've come around on the pick, but Amare and Tyson Chandler really didn't work that well.

Not awful, but...a little bit not the greatest fit.

36-30 season 1
54-28 season 2 and the only semblance of good guard play, so there's a way to say this current thing could work if....
37-45 season 3

And those teams had Carmelo Anthony. Knicks have RJ.

Anyway, Knicks being contenders or Rome wasn't built in a day, so I'm ok with the pick.
The needed a PG/Wing who could create for themselves and others in the worst way, but again, when Rose & Co took over, I figured even with aggressive trading/FA/drafting, it was still going to take 2-3 years to be a playoff team. Maybe longer if the focus was draft/youth heavy.

i think we should kind of look at the lakers construction. not saying RJ or obi are lebron or AD. but reading the tea leaves and even how obi describes RJ as a "tall point guard," i'm thinking that's kinda the vibes. surround their dynamic talent with shooting and stifling defense. mitch is perfect even if he may be underutilized. and you then really just need the guards who will GSD, which is why i get the quickley pick. FVV makes sense as a FA target today. and reggie bullock is perfect.

Chanel Bomber wrote:Serious question:

Can you think of any bigs who were defensive liabilities in college but turned out to be passable or solid in the NBA?

I know Ayton has made a lot of progress since his college days.

3toheadmelo wrote:

Chanel Bomber wrote:Serious question:

Can you think of any bigs who were defensive liabilities in college but turned out to be passable or solid in the NBA?

I know Ayton has made a lot of progress since his college days.

I think Obi can be a good rim protector like Ayton is now. He showed some flashes as a weak side shot blocker. I don’t know if he can guard the perimeter like Ayton though. Ayton always had the foot speed. Obi on the other hand.... not so much. Obi said he has been working on guarding guards since quarantine so let’s see how big of an improvement he made

thebuzzardman wrote:

CharlesOakley wrote:We drafted Amare with a 3-pointer at #8 and you guys are complaining?

I've come around on the pick, but Amare and Tyson Chandler really didn't work that well.

Not awful, but...a little bit not the greatest fit.

36-30 season 1
54-28 season 2 and the only semblance of good guard play, so there's a way to say this current thing could work if....
37-45 season 3

And those teams had Carmelo Anthony. Knicks have RJ.

Anyway, Knicks being contenders or Rome wasn't built in a day, so I'm ok with the pick.
The needed a PG/Wing who could create for themselves and others in the worst way, but again, when Rose & Co took over, I figured even with aggressive trading/FA/drafting, it was still going to take 2-3 years to be a playoff team. Maybe longer if the focus was draft/youth heavy.

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

Jeff Van Gully wrote:

thebuzzardman wrote:
I've come around on the pick, but Amare and Tyson Chandler really didn't work that well.

Not awful, but...a little bit not the greatest fit.

36-30 season 1
54-28 season 2 and the only semblance of good guard play, so there's a way to say this current thing could work if....
37-45 season 3

And those teams had Carmelo Anthony. Knicks have RJ.

Anyway, Knicks being contenders or Rome wasn't built in a day, so I'm ok with the pick.
The needed a PG/Wing who could create for themselves and others in the worst way, but again, when Rose & Co took over, I figured even with aggressive trading/FA/drafting, it was still going to take 2-3 years to be a playoff team. Maybe longer if the focus was draft/youth heavy.

i think we should kind of look at the lakers construction. not saying RJ or obi are lebron or AD. but reading the tea leaves and even how obi describes RJ as a "tall point guard," i'm thinking that's kinda the vibes. surround their dynamic talent with shooting and stifling defense. mitch is perfect even if he may be underutilized. and you then really just need the guards who will GSD, which is why i get the quickley pick. FVV makes sense as a FA target today. and reggie bullock is perfect.

If they sign Hayward I think the Celtics build is more in line with what they're trying to do, especially if they trade for Russ or sign FVV. I could see a lot of minutes where it's 4 wings and Obi on the court together.

3toheadmelo wrote:

Chanel Bomber wrote:Serious question:

Can you think of any bigs who were defensive liabilities in college but turned out to be passable or solid in the NBA?

I know Ayton has made a lot of progress since his college days.

I think Obi can be a good rim protector like Ayton is now. He showed some flashes as a weak side shot blocker. I don’t know if he can guard the perimeter like Ayton though. Ayton always had the foot speed. Obi on the other hand.... not so much. Obi said he has been working on guarding guards since quarantine so let’s see how big of an improvement he made

dakomish23 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

Chanel Bomber wrote:Serious question:

Can you think of any bigs who were defensive liabilities in college but turned out to be passable or solid in the NBA?

I know Ayton has made a lot of progress since his college days.

I think Obi can be a good rim protector like Ayton is now. He showed some flashes as a weak side shot blocker. I don’t know if he can guard the perimeter like Ayton though. Ayton always had the foot speed. Obi on the other hand.... not so much. Obi said he has been working on guarding guards since quarantine so let’s see how big of an improvement he made

The few flashes I saw of defensive instincts were homerun plays - pick 6 or a big block.

We need 3 hyper elite defensive defenders or at least 4 very good defenders around him.

CharlesOakley wrote:We drafted Amare with a 3-pointer at #8 and you guys are complaining?

thebuzzardman wrote:

CharlesOakley wrote:We drafted Amare with a 3-pointer at #8 and you guys are complaining?

I've come around on the pick, but Amare and Tyson Chandler really didn't work that well.

Not awful, but...a little bit not the greatest fit.

36-30 season 1
54-28 season 2 and the only semblance of good guard play, so there's a way to say this current thing could work if....
37-45 season 3

And those teams had Carmelo Anthony. Knicks have RJ.

Anyway, Knicks being contenders or Rome wasn't built in a day, so I'm ok with the pick.
The needed a PG/Wing who could create for themselves and others in the worst way, but again, when Rose & Co took over, I figured even with aggressive trading/FA/drafting, it was still going to take 2-3 years to be a playoff team. Maybe longer if the focus was draft/youth heavy.

1999 wrote:

thebuzzardman wrote:

CharlesOakley wrote:We drafted Amare with a 3-pointer at #8 and you guys are complaining?

I've come around on the pick, but Amare and Tyson Chandler really didn't work that well.

Not awful, but...a little bit not the greatest fit.

36-30 season 1
54-28 season 2 and the only semblance of good guard play, so there's a way to say this current thing could work if....
37-45 season 3

And those teams had Carmelo Anthony. Knicks have RJ.

Anyway, Knicks being contenders or Rome wasn't built in a day, so I'm ok with the pick.
The needed a PG/Wing who could create for themselves and others in the worst way, but again, when Rose & Co took over, I figured even with aggressive trading/FA/drafting, it was still going to take 2-3 years to be a playoff team. Maybe longer if the focus was draft/youth heavy.

Tyson and Stat didn’t work well because of Melo. Not because of Stat. Stat thrived with bigs like Robin Lopez and Shaq, so playing with another big wasn’t the problem. Him and Melo just occupied the same spaces on offense. Mitch and Obi, in theory should work but Knicks obviously need a PG ASAP.


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