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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#201 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jan 1, 2021 2:38 pm

WargamesX wrote:Didn’t see the game but how did Randle look during this loss?

Would’ve had another triple double if guys could hit some open 3’s
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#202 » by WargamesX » Fri Jan 1, 2021 4:30 pm

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Realistically, if this keeps up what could we get for Randle?
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#203 » by cgf » Fri Jan 1, 2021 5:00 pm

WargamesX wrote:Image

Realistically, if this keeps up what could we get for Randle?


I think a pick in teens + an interesting reclamation project is the realistic-best-case scenario for a Randle return if Julius keeps playing this well. Something like the 16th pick + Nassir Little?
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#204 » by Dave DaButcher » Fri Jan 1, 2021 5:28 pm

Zach Lowe is a Randle believer.

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We have had lean times atop Julius Randle Hill. Even some true believers considered leaving last season, when Randle melted on defense and drove over and over into walls of defenders like a windup toy stuck in forward gear.

But the few, the brave, stayed and foraged. We told ourselves: It is not his fault the Knicks built a team without shooting. Against almost all evidence, we chanted: One day, he will put it together.

And we are a cautious lot today, even as Randle rampages from baseline to baseline for the 2-3 New York Knicks, coming off easy wins over the Milwaukee Bucks (yup!) and the previously undefeated Cleveland Cavaliers and their Sexland backcourt. Randle -- averaging 23 points, 10 rebounds, and seven assists -- is 9-of-16 from deep and 8-of-14 on long 2s. We know that won't sustain; the comedown started in New York's blowout loss to the Toronto Raptors Thursday. Atop the hill, we drink deeply from the chalice of analytics.

But this is the Randle we envisioned -- the one we knew would come one day: grabbing boards, rushing out in transition, and making the smart and easy decisions.

Not every highlight has come with Randle straddling the line between fast and out of control. Watch him download that he has a mismatch in semi-transition, accelerate into an attack of Darius Garland, and then slip a beauty to Mitchell Robinson -- the correct, simple read.

Randle has assisted on 34% of New York's baskets while on the floor, a mark typical of a point guard -- fitting, as Randle acts as co-point guard of sorts with New York's starters and shoulders more ballhandling responsibility when Frank Ntilikina replaces Elfrid Payton. The Knicks get out in transition much more with Randle on the floor, per Cleaning The Glass. He looks trimmer, and more explosive -- quicker from zero to 60. That has helped on defense, too.

Hard times will come. The Knicks rank 28th in points per possession. They still don't have much shooting, or a reliable point guard -- ingredients that would make life easier for RJ Barrett. Only four teams generate a lower share of attempts from deep. Their defense -- ninth in points allowed per possession -- is due for regression. New York has given up the third-most shots at the rim, and opponents have hit just 27% from deep.

But New York under Tom Thibodeau looks more coherent. The Knicks are moving more, cutting harder, playing with some organized purpose. And so on this day heralding the start of 2021, we uncork the finest champagne atop Julius Randle Hill.
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#205 » by K-DOT » Fri Jan 1, 2021 6:09 pm

WargamesX wrote:Image

Realistically, if this keeps up what could we get for Randle?

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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#206 » by nedleeds » Fri Jan 1, 2021 11:51 pm

WargamesX wrote:Image

Realistically, if this keeps up what could we get for Randle?


Matching expiring salary would be amazing and more than I had ever dreamed of, maybe even a bad contract that goes another 2 years and a 1st rounder.
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#207 » by WargamesX » Sat Jan 2, 2021 11:25 am

nedleeds wrote:
WargamesX wrote:Image

Realistically, if this keeps up what could we get for Randle?


Matching expiring salary would be amazing and more than I had ever dreamed of, maybe even a bad contract that goes another 2 years and a 1st rounder.


I’m sorry but that is Z-bo 2.0. I get not focusing on the equivalent player but a bad contract and a pick for his production is Mills’esque. In really hope they can at least get a good/ok player on a good contract and a pick for Randle.
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#208 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Jan 2, 2021 12:18 pm

Dave DaButcher wrote:Zach Lowe is a Randle believer.

Spoiler:
We have had lean times atop Julius Randle Hill. Even some true believers considered leaving last season, when Randle melted on defense and drove over and over into walls of defenders like a windup toy stuck in forward gear.

But the few, the brave, stayed and foraged. We told ourselves: It is not his fault the Knicks built a team without shooting. Against almost all evidence, we chanted: One day, he will put it together.

And we are a cautious lot today, even as Randle rampages from baseline to baseline for the 2-3 New York Knicks, coming off easy wins over the Milwaukee Bucks (yup!) and the previously undefeated Cleveland Cavaliers and their Sexland backcourt. Randle -- averaging 23 points, 10 rebounds, and seven assists -- is 9-of-16 from deep and 8-of-14 on long 2s. We know that won't sustain; the comedown started in New York's blowout loss to the Toronto Raptors Thursday. Atop the hill, we drink deeply from the chalice of analytics.

But this is the Randle we envisioned -- the one we knew would come one day: grabbing boards, rushing out in transition, and making the smart and easy decisions.

Not every highlight has come with Randle straddling the line between fast and out of control. Watch him download that he has a mismatch in semi-transition, accelerate into an attack of Darius Garland, and then slip a beauty to Mitchell Robinson -- the correct, simple read.

Randle has assisted on 34% of New York's baskets while on the floor, a mark typical of a point guard -- fitting, as Randle acts as co-point guard of sorts with New York's starters and shoulders more ballhandling responsibility when Frank Ntilikina replaces Elfrid Payton. The Knicks get out in transition much more with Randle on the floor, per Cleaning The Glass. He looks trimmer, and more explosive -- quicker from zero to 60. That has helped on defense, too.

Hard times will come. The Knicks rank 28th in points per possession. They still don't have much shooting, or a reliable point guard -- ingredients that would make life easier for RJ Barrett. Only four teams generate a lower share of attempts from deep. Their defense -- ninth in points allowed per possession -- is due for regression. New York has given up the third-most shots at the rim, and opponents have hit just 27% from deep.

But New York under Tom Thibodeau looks more coherent. The Knicks are moving more, cutting harder, playing with some organized purpose. And so on this day heralding the start of 2021, we uncork the finest champagne atop Julius Randle Hill.


this thibs randle we're seeing now is a keeper. you can say you've got star #1 if he keeps this up.

and you could also say the tim hardaway-ish gamble paid off in that he can play his deal into a bargain for the knicks. still an insane risk to take in the first place, but could become a feather in perry's cap.
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#209 » by E-Balla » Sat Jan 2, 2021 1:12 pm

Randle, the way he's playing, is a super valuable asset. And I think he can keep it up. He's basically the same as usual but in better shape and a lot more controlled.
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#211 » by Nbabrothers » Wed Jan 6, 2021 4:59 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:See Post 2 for clarification on contract deets - Cap

With us having a team option for 4 million next year it may end up that we retain him as a below cost attraction to show fans that they won't be alone.

He is learning what it is to be a first option and no longer seems to be caught up in justifying his contract like he was last year.

I liked Randle's game as a Laker and a Pelican. And now that he isn't trying g to be Kobe maybe it is for the best he sticks around.

I also want to see this board if it turns out Mills was right. (Which I think he was with Randle)

Thoughts on the maturing Randle?

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It’s a definite yes on picking up his option and maybe even considering redoing his contract to pay him more after next season. He’s worth it right now.
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#212 » by NYKAL » Wed Jan 6, 2021 5:54 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Dave DaButcher wrote:Zach Lowe is a Randle believer.

Spoiler:
We have had lean times atop Julius Randle Hill. Even some true believers considered leaving last season, when Randle melted on defense and drove over and over into walls of defenders like a windup toy stuck in forward gear.

But the few, the brave, stayed and foraged. We told ourselves: It is not his fault the Knicks built a team without shooting. Against almost all evidence, we chanted: One day, he will put it together.

And we are a cautious lot today, even as Randle rampages from baseline to baseline for the 2-3 New York Knicks, coming off easy wins over the Milwaukee Bucks (yup!) and the previously undefeated Cleveland Cavaliers and their Sexland backcourt. Randle -- averaging 23 points, 10 rebounds, and seven assists -- is 9-of-16 from deep and 8-of-14 on long 2s. We know that won't sustain; the comedown started in New York's blowout loss to the Toronto Raptors Thursday. Atop the hill, we drink deeply from the chalice of analytics.

But this is the Randle we envisioned -- the one we knew would come one day: grabbing boards, rushing out in transition, and making the smart and easy decisions.

Not every highlight has come with Randle straddling the line between fast and out of control. Watch him download that he has a mismatch in semi-transition, accelerate into an attack of Darius Garland, and then slip a beauty to Mitchell Robinson -- the correct, simple read.

Randle has assisted on 34% of New York's baskets while on the floor, a mark typical of a point guard -- fitting, as Randle acts as co-point guard of sorts with New York's starters and shoulders more ballhandling responsibility when Frank Ntilikina replaces Elfrid Payton. The Knicks get out in transition much more with Randle on the floor, per Cleaning The Glass. He looks trimmer, and more explosive -- quicker from zero to 60. That has helped on defense, too.

Hard times will come. The Knicks rank 28th in points per possession. They still don't have much shooting, or a reliable point guard -- ingredients that would make life easier for RJ Barrett. Only four teams generate a lower share of attempts from deep. Their defense -- ninth in points allowed per possession -- is due for regression. New York has given up the third-most shots at the rim, and opponents have hit just 27% from deep.

But New York under Tom Thibodeau looks more coherent. The Knicks are moving more, cutting harder, playing with some organized purpose. And so on this day heralding the start of 2021, we uncork the finest champagne atop Julius Randle Hill.


this thibs randle we're seeing now is a keeper. you can say you've got star #1 if he keeps this up.

and you could also say the tim hardaway-ish gamble paid off in that he can play his deal into a bargain for the knicks. still an insane risk to take in the first place, but could become a feather in perry's cap.


He keeps playing like this and we'll have our first allstar in years.
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#213 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:02 pm

NYKAL wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Dave DaButcher wrote:Zach Lowe is a Randle believer.

Spoiler:
We have had lean times atop Julius Randle Hill. Even some true believers considered leaving last season, when Randle melted on defense and drove over and over into walls of defenders like a windup toy stuck in forward gear.

But the few, the brave, stayed and foraged. We told ourselves: It is not his fault the Knicks built a team without shooting. Against almost all evidence, we chanted: One day, he will put it together.

And we are a cautious lot today, even as Randle rampages from baseline to baseline for the 2-3 New York Knicks, coming off easy wins over the Milwaukee Bucks (yup!) and the previously undefeated Cleveland Cavaliers and their Sexland backcourt. Randle -- averaging 23 points, 10 rebounds, and seven assists -- is 9-of-16 from deep and 8-of-14 on long 2s. We know that won't sustain; the comedown started in New York's blowout loss to the Toronto Raptors Thursday. Atop the hill, we drink deeply from the chalice of analytics.

But this is the Randle we envisioned -- the one we knew would come one day: grabbing boards, rushing out in transition, and making the smart and easy decisions.

Not every highlight has come with Randle straddling the line between fast and out of control. Watch him download that he has a mismatch in semi-transition, accelerate into an attack of Darius Garland, and then slip a beauty to Mitchell Robinson -- the correct, simple read.

Randle has assisted on 34% of New York's baskets while on the floor, a mark typical of a point guard -- fitting, as Randle acts as co-point guard of sorts with New York's starters and shoulders more ballhandling responsibility when Frank Ntilikina replaces Elfrid Payton. The Knicks get out in transition much more with Randle on the floor, per Cleaning The Glass. He looks trimmer, and more explosive -- quicker from zero to 60. That has helped on defense, too.

Hard times will come. The Knicks rank 28th in points per possession. They still don't have much shooting, or a reliable point guard -- ingredients that would make life easier for RJ Barrett. Only four teams generate a lower share of attempts from deep. Their defense -- ninth in points allowed per possession -- is due for regression. New York has given up the third-most shots at the rim, and opponents have hit just 27% from deep.

But New York under Tom Thibodeau looks more coherent. The Knicks are moving more, cutting harder, playing with some organized purpose. And so on this day heralding the start of 2021, we uncork the finest champagne atop Julius Randle Hill.


this thibs randle we're seeing now is a keeper. you can say you've got star #1 if he keeps this up.

and you could also say the tim hardaway-ish gamble paid off in that he can play his deal into a bargain for the knicks. still an insane risk to take in the first place, but could become a feather in perry's cap.


He keeps playing like this and we'll have our first allstar in years.


well, since KP, who just didn't get to play in his AS nod.

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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#214 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:04 pm

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this thibs randle we're seeing now is a keeper. you can say you've got star #1 if he keeps this up.

and you could also say the tim hardaway-ish gamble paid off in that he can play his deal into a bargain for the knicks. still an insane risk to take in the first place, but could become a feather in perry's cap.


He keeps playing like this and we'll have our first allstar in years.


well, since KP, who just didn't get to play in his AS nod.

MSG trivia incoming.

KP made the all star game based off NY clout
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#215 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:39 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
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He keeps playing like this and we'll have our first allstar in years.


well, since KP, who just didn't get to play in his AS nod.

MSG trivia incoming.

KP made the all star game based off NY clout


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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#216 » by Oscirus » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:41 pm

Only real question is should we sign randle after we pick up his team option next year and yea I get we have obi, but Obi's got two years to take it from randle, if he cant...
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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#217 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:45 pm

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well, since KP, who just didn't get to play in his AS nod.

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KP made the all star game based off NY clout


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Re: Julius Randle: Should we pick up his 2021-2 Team option 

Post#218 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:46 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:KP made the all star game based off NY clout


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we most certainly are not. :lol:

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we most certainly are not. :lol:

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Re: Julius Randle: Retain him for 4 million 

Post#220 » by Nazrmohamed » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:08 pm

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prophet_of_rage wrote:With us having a team option for 4 million next year it may end up that we retain him as a below cost attraction to show fans that they won't be alone.

He is learning what it is to be a first option and no longer seems to be caught up in justifying his contract like he was last year.

I liked Randle's game as a Laker and a Pelican. And now that he isn't trying g to be Kobe maybe it is for the best he sticks around.

I also want to see this board if it turns out Mills was right. (Which I think he was with Randle)

Thoughts on the maturing Randle?

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Even if Randle pans out its not enough to redeem Mills. Too many bad moves. He was horrible.


I'm not gonna say he was great but to the extent that people think he wasn't is weird to me. If you're enjoying this team right now then you gotta credit Mills for the most part.

In fact the only thing I think he did wrong is set his own expectation for failure. I mean we were rebuilding and I thought in that bubble of mindset he did a decent job. No draft picks lost, small moves which led to us trading for even more draft picks. He took risks just like every rebuilding team does on undervalued talents, Randle being one of.

His problem is that along the way he sabotaged his own perception by continually saying that the goal was to win and even there....wtf is he supposed to say. Even fans are torn between winning and developing. Now the same guys(myself included) who were all about rebuilding and tanking are happy with the wins right now so...I think we needed to upgrade from Mills at some point but to only credit him for the bad and nothing good is unfair.

One could argue that we're doing the same things under Rose that we did under Mills except this time we got a coach who can squeeze water out of rocks with this talent. But one injury gone bad, one player complaining about minutes, one losing streak and you guys will turn. None of us are really on the same page. You ask 2 knick fans and in both cases we fail and one will say we are a bad team cuz we fail to land superstars in FA and the other will say we fail because we fail to land a top 3 pick so... lets just enjoy 5-3 I guess.

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