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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1381 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:35 pm

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sure he does, adam morrison was the 3rd pick and he had a role on two championship teams. RJ is playing a lot like rookie adam morrison on the bobcats right now. Very similar numbers. Rookie Ammo shot 38% and 33% from 3 and 71% from the line. RJ is shooting 38% and 30% from 3 and 72% from the line. Rookie Ammo had a -2.7 OBPM and a -2.4 DBPM for a -5.1 BPM. RJ has a -2.6 OBPM and a -2.4 DBPM for a -5.0 BPM.

Youch. Because as we know, Pornstache was terrible and a bust. Maple Pornstache. Hate to see it.


I just need to put into perspective exactly how bad this guy is

He's literally the worst player on the entire team. The numbers don't lie. if you look at win shares/48, bpm, vorp, true shooting%, PER, whatever you want to use, he is dead last out of rotation players, and his Ortg of 96 is also last on the team. He is killing this team and Thibs should bench him sooner rather than later. He never earned this. He sucked as a rookie and didn't make an all-rookie team. He was ok in year 2 because he stood in a corner and never shot unless it was set, wide open, and uncontested spoon fed to him by Randle out of double teams. He just blows. He is getting minutes because they drafted him 3rd. Had he been taken 8th or 9th like Frank, Knox, Toppin, etc his ass would already be glued to the bench where it belongs. But it's not because of politics. I'm tired of it.

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1382 » by DaGawd » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:37 pm

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sure he does, adam morrison was the 3rd pick and he had a role on two championship teams. RJ is playing a lot like rookie adam morrison on the bobcats right now. Very similar numbers. Rookie Ammo shot 38% and 33% from 3 and 71% from the line. RJ is shooting 38% and 30% from 3 and 72% from the line. Rookie Ammo had a -2.7 OBPM and a -2.4 DBPM for a -5.1 BPM. RJ has a -2.6 OBPM and a -2.4 DBPM for a -5.0 BPM.

Youch. Because as we know, Pornstache was terrible and a bust. Maple Pornstache. Hate to see it.


I just need to put into perspective exactly how bad this guy is

He's literally the worst player on the entire team. The numbers don't lie. if you look at win shares/48, bpm, vorp, true shooting%, PER, whatever you want to use, he is dead last out of rotation players, and his Ortg of 96 is also last on the team. He is killing this team and Thibs should bench him sooner rather than later. He never earned this. He sucked as a rookie and didn't make an all-rookie team. He was ok in year 2 because he stood in a corner and never shot unless it was set, wide open, and uncontested spoon fed to him by Randle out of double teams. He just blows. He is getting minutes because they drafted him 3rd. Had he been taken 8th or 9th like Frank, Knox, Toppin, etc his ass would already be glued to the bench where it belongs. But it's not because of politics. I'm tired of it.



Yep.. and a lot of Knick fans try to justify it and grasp for straws at things RJ might possibly excel at because of the fact he was the number 3 pick and they don’t want him to be a bad pick. But fact of the matter is he was. He’s not really good. If Knox was given the same amount of playing time we’d probably see very little difference in quality of play between the two.. at least I feel confident if Knox got the same looks from 3 as RJ he’d cash out 9/10. We’re not even gonna mention driving to the hoop because RJ is not good at that and his defense is inconsistent
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1383 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:38 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:RJ is a team oriented player. Put him into the right roster and he will probably be a stat stuffer and some kind of glue guy.

He is not clicking with this first unit. He’s young and should be playing with other guys who want to push the ball upcourt.

Even with greater consistency I’m not expecting him to be a # 1 alpha player, but a good NBA player for a long time. He’s not going to get a giant contract so he might be affordable after his rookie contract. That means he could possibly stay or be a good trade chip since no team is going to take him if we extend him first to a crazy deal.

He does not fit with Randle so I’m all for brining him in with the second unit.

Maple Joe Ingles. Hmm. Nah. He's not that talented


I hope something shakes out. This is a bad slump. Either he’s injured and/or his confidence is shot
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1384 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:40 pm

The 76ers knew to flip MCW right away. Knicks too stupid and tried to make Maplefrid Payton a core piece. Knicks stay suckjng at drafting and strategy
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1385 » by nedleeds » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:43 pm

robillionaire wrote:
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sure he does, adam morrison was the 3rd pick and he had a role on two championship teams. RJ is playing a lot like rookie adam morrison on the bobcats right now. Very similar numbers. Rookie Ammo shot 38% and 33% from 3 and 71% from the line. RJ is shooting 38% and 30% from 3 and 72% from the line. Rookie Ammo had a -2.7 OBPM and a -2.4 DBPM for a -5.1 BPM. RJ has a -2.6 OBPM and a -2.4 DBPM for a -5.0 BPM.

Youch. Because as we know, Pornstache was terrible and a bust. Maple Pornstache. Hate to see it.


I just need to put into perspective exactly how bad this guy is

He's literally the worst player on the entire team. The numbers don't lie. if you look at win shares/48, bpm, vorp, true shooting%, PER, whatever you want to use, he is dead last out of rotation players, and his Ortg of 96 is also last on the team. He is killing this team and Thibs should bench him sooner rather than later. He never earned this. He sucked as a rookie and didn't make an all-rookie team. He was ok in year 2 because he stood in a corner and never shot unless it was set, wide open, and uncontested spoon fed to him by Randle out of double teams. He just blows. He is getting minutes because they drafted him 3rd. Had he been taken 8th or 9th like Frank, Knox, Toppin, etc his ass would already be glued to the bench where it belongs. But it's not because of politics. I'm tired of it.


But he makes mean faces when gets a wide open dunk once every 3 days and has a great poster outside MSG? But Knox who shoots 39% from 3 is a bitch.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1386 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:47 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:The 76ers knew to flip MCW right away. Knicks too stupid and tried to make Maplefrid Payton a core piece. Knicks stay suckjng at drafting and strategy


They flipped him for more picks which turned into more busts

Lets be real. If we flip RJ for picks we will either draft a bust or complain when that guy goes into a slump too. Nobody has the stomach for young players around here
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1387 » by robillionaire » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:49 pm

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robillionaire wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Youch. Because as we know, Pornstache was terrible and a bust. Maple Pornstache. Hate to see it.


I just need to put into perspective exactly how bad this guy is

He's literally the worst player on the entire team. The numbers don't lie. if you look at win shares/48, bpm, vorp, true shooting%, PER, whatever you want to use, he is dead last out of rotation players, and his Ortg of 96 is also last on the team. He is killing this team and Thibs should bench him sooner rather than later. He never earned this. He sucked as a rookie and didn't make an all-rookie team. He was ok in year 2 because he stood in a corner and never shot unless it was set, wide open, and uncontested spoon fed to him by Randle out of double teams. He just blows. He is getting minutes because they drafted him 3rd. Had he been taken 8th or 9th like Frank, Knox, Toppin, etc his ass would already be glued to the bench where it belongs. But it's not because of politics. I'm tired of it.



Yep.. and a lot of Knick fans try to justify it and grasp for straws at things RJ might possibly excel at because of the fact he was the number 3 pick and they don’t want him to be a bad pick. But fact of the matter is he was. He’s not really good. If Knox was given the same amount of playing time we’d probably see very little difference in quality of play between the two.. at least I feel confident if Knox got the same looks from 3 as RJ he’d cash out 9/10. We’re not even gonna mention driving to the hoop because RJ is not good at that and his defense is inconsistent


Apparently the regular bashing of him isn't getting the job done so it's time to go scorched earth

I think we'd be better with Knox starting and that's not even me being biased because I know Knox sucks. But he is a much better shooter than No-J and I even trust him going to the rim more than No-J. Remember that time he dunked on Ben Simmons? RJ is less athletic and worse finishing at the rim than Kemba Walker with two blown knees. The defense is a wash, No-J is also an atrocious defensive player. Last year Knox shot .392 and .393 from 3 which are both higher than RJ. We developed the wrong player
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1388 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:50 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:The 76ers knew to flip MCW right away. Knicks too stupid and tried to make Maplefrid Payton a core piece. Knicks stay suckjng at drafting and strategy

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Post#1389 » by louisorr » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:51 pm

considering I'd trade him for Killian Hayes....yes.
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Post#1390 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:52 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:If we traded RJ for a future pick
thebuzzardman wrote:The 76ers knew to flip MCW right away. Knicks too stupid and tried to make Maplefrid Payton a core piece. Knicks stay suckjng at drafting and strategy


They flipped him for more picks which turned into more busts

Lets be real. If we flip RJ for picks we will either draft a bust or complain when that guy goes into a slump too. Nobody has the stomach for young players around here


We flipped KP before he was up for his fat contract. Would you have risked paying him or attempting to sign and trade?

If we’re not going to commit to RJ it is probably best to move him sooner than later.
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Post#1391 » by robillionaire » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:53 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:If we traded RJ for a future pick
thebuzzardman wrote:The 76ers knew to flip MCW right away. Knicks too stupid and tried to make Maplefrid Payton a core piece. Knicks stay suckjng at drafting and strategy


They flipped him for more picks which turned into more busts

Lets be real. If we flip RJ for picks we will either draft a bust or complain when that guy goes into a slump too. Nobody has the stomach for young players around here


There's nothing we can do. It's too late to trade him now because he's statistically one of the worst players in the NBA and his value is at rock bottom. We have to just hope he gets better. I don't see how he will because he doesn't have the physical tools but maybe a miracle will happen
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Post#1392 » by WajaBawl » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:54 pm

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Post#1393 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:59 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:If we traded RJ for a future pick
thebuzzardman wrote:The 76ers knew to flip MCW right away. Knicks too stupid and tried to make Maplefrid Payton a core piece. Knicks stay suckjng at drafting and strategy


They flipped him for more picks which turned into more busts

Lets be real. If we flip RJ for picks we will either draft a bust or complain when that guy goes into a slump too. Nobody has the stomach for young players around here


We flipped KP before he was up for his fat contract. Would you have risked paying him or attempting to sign and trade?

If we’re not going to commit to RJ it is probably best to move him sooner than later.


I am ok with trading anyone in the right deal. Really depends what we can get. I wouldnt sell low on RJ though. He'll break out of this slump eventually.

I am glad we didnt lock up KP. That had more to do with his attitude and injury. Every case is kinda different. Some young players get moved and work out well, other's don't. Sixers also moved on from Jrue Holiday and Jerami who both look good now so it can go both ways
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Post#1394 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:01 pm

robillionaire wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:If we traded RJ for a future pick
thebuzzardman wrote:The 76ers knew to flip MCW right away. Knicks too stupid and tried to make Maplefrid Payton a core piece. Knicks stay suckjng at drafting and strategy


They flipped him for more picks which turned into more busts

Lets be real. If we flip RJ for picks we will either draft a bust or complain when that guy goes into a slump too. Nobody has the stomach for young players around here


There's nothing we can do. It's too late to trade him now because he's statistically one of the worst players in the NBA and his value is at rock bottom. We have to just hope he gets better. I don't see how he will because he doesn't have the physical tools but maybe a miracle will happen


He will get better and will be fine. Even Tyler Herro went in some horrific slumps where he shot 35/28 with bad ratings in every metrics. It can happen.
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Post#1396 » by robillionaire » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:06 pm

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that actually made me wince a little damn he dead man you can't just post dead people

I had to check and he's alive good news everyone

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Post#1397 » by DaGawd » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:11 pm

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Post#1398 » by nedleeds » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:19 pm

DaGawd wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Youch. Because as we know, Pornstache was terrible and a bust. Maple Pornstache. Hate to see it.


I just need to put into perspective exactly how bad this guy is

He's literally the worst player on the entire team. The numbers don't lie. if you look at win shares/48, bpm, vorp, true shooting%, PER, whatever you want to use, he is dead last out of rotation players, and his Ortg of 96 is also last on the team. He is killing this team and Thibs should bench him sooner rather than later. He never earned this. He sucked as a rookie and didn't make an all-rookie team. He was ok in year 2 because he stood in a corner and never shot unless it was set, wide open, and uncontested spoon fed to him by Randle out of double teams. He just blows. He is getting minutes because they drafted him 3rd. Had he been taken 8th or 9th like Frank, Knox, Toppin, etc his ass would already be glued to the bench where it belongs. But it's not because of politics. I'm tired of it.



Yep.. and a lot of Knick fans try to justify it and grasp for straws at things RJ might possibly excel at because of the fact he was the number 3 pick and they don’t want him to be a bad pick. But fact of the matter is he was. He’s not really good. If Knox was given the same amount of playing time we’d probably see very little difference in quality of play between the two.. at least I feel confident if Knox got the same looks from 3 as RJ he’d cash out 9/10. We’re not even gonna mention driving to the hoop because RJ is not good at that and his defense is inconsistent


Yes/no on trading him for the following players almost straight up:

Cam Reddish (injured, looks lost most nights, but might be Marvin Williams)
DeAndre Hunter (injured alot also, but looks like he can do 2 things at an NBA level)
Kevin Heurter (healthy, played well in the playoffs, has gone from below league TS% and EFG to above average efficiency on 8 3p FGAs a game)
PJ Washington
Avdija
Okoro

again maybe duping them into throwing in a pick as well would be a cherry on top

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Post#1399 » by robillionaire » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:23 pm

nedleeds wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
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I just need to put into perspective exactly how bad this guy is

He's literally the worst player on the entire team. The numbers don't lie. if you look at win shares/48, bpm, vorp, true shooting%, PER, whatever you want to use, he is dead last out of rotation players, and his Ortg of 96 is also last on the team. He is killing this team and Thibs should bench him sooner rather than later. He never earned this. He sucked as a rookie and didn't make an all-rookie team. He was ok in year 2 because he stood in a corner and never shot unless it was set, wide open, and uncontested spoon fed to him by Randle out of double teams. He just blows. He is getting minutes because they drafted him 3rd. Had he been taken 8th or 9th like Frank, Knox, Toppin, etc his ass would already be glued to the bench where it belongs. But it's not because of politics. I'm tired of it.



Yep.. and a lot of Knick fans try to justify it and grasp for straws at things RJ might possibly excel at because of the fact he was the number 3 pick and they don’t want him to be a bad pick. But fact of the matter is he was. He’s not really good. If Knox was given the same amount of playing time we’d probably see very little difference in quality of play between the two.. at least I feel confident if Knox got the same looks from 3 as RJ he’d cash out 9/10. We’re not even gonna mention driving to the hoop because RJ is not good at that and his defense is inconsistent


Yes/no on trading him for the following players almost straight up:

Cam Reddish (injured, looks lost most nights, but might be Marvin Williams)
DeAndre Hunter (injured alot also, but looks like he can do 2 things at an NBA level)
Kevin Heurter (healthy, played well in the playoffs, has gone from below league TS% and EFG to above average efficiency on 8 3p FGAs a game)
PJ Washington
Avdija
Okoro

again maybe duping them into throwing in a pick as well would be a cherry on top

The dream is we eat a **** shyte sandwich contract like Wall and trade the farm for Jalen Green. But that's not happening.


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I would try to package both Mitch and RJ for something. Either some kind of journeyman vet wing or a late first rounder or packaged to get rid of a bad contract like Fournier. We just need to get rid of them before we have to pay them something. We aren't getting any young talented players so get that idea out of your head quick. I'd send RJ Mitch and 3 future unprotected firsts for Tyler Herro but the heat would laugh and hang up
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1400 » by WajaBawl » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:24 pm

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