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Re: Knicks - Nuggets PG 

Post#301 » by Jeff Van Gully » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:05 pm

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Buddy, Russ & Donovan Mitchell.
He’s in good company :D


Wait till we trade for Buddy and Russ :lol:

Real talk, I’m as patient as anyone for the kids to grow but we are so desperate for competent guard play to help our kids that I almost want them to go all in next summer

Sign Lowry and Oladipo
Trade for Lavine

Lowry IQ
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RJB Knox
Randle
Mitch Obi

That group could probably make an ECF push but is far from a long term contender due to Lowry’s age

I think me and you are both pro Oladipo and Lavine ?


i'm shocked cole's three has been so bad. that was supposed to be the surest of his skills to translate, no?
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Re: Knicks - Nuggets PG 

Post#302 » by Reign23 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:15 pm

i need RJ to hit shots badly.
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Re: Knicks - Nuggets PG 

Post#303 » by 2010 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:46 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:Bullock has not been the same player since his back injury. He shot .333 last season from 3. He is shooting .333 this season. He isn't going to be a 38% 3 point shooter again. He isn't a great defender any longer either.


It was a neck injury.
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Re: Knicks - Nuggets PG 

Post#304 » by j4remi » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:52 pm

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Recap is up. After 10 games, I've got Randle and Mitch well ahead of the pack. RJ's riding a couple of high scores to an average starter grade that's sinking. Payton's ups and downs average out to a solid bench point guard. Bullock has dipped below rotation value on average. Noel and Knox are both clinging to barely suitable rotation player averages.

Rest of the pack hasn't registered enough game scores for me to count them against that group. The injury bug is really bad. This team needs shooting but I'm not sure where it's gonna come from with almost every shooter on the injured list.
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Post#305 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:03 pm

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Post#306 » by Sark » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:09 pm

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Reign23 wrote:just trade randle and get 5 wins rest of the season. please.


i'm usually all in on team tank but randle is convincing me to be off that. right now, where is he at his position, pf, in the league ?

ad is 1 (if you consider him a real pf). giannis is 2. and at 3 it's either him or sabonis. take your pick. why am i getting rid of him ? he's not old.



The gap between 1-2 and the next spot is the size of a super massive black hole.
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Re: Knicks - Nuggets PG 

Post#307 » by god shammgod » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:13 pm

Sark wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Reign23 wrote:just trade randle and get 5 wins rest of the season. please.


i'm usually all in on team tank but randle is convincing me to be off that. right now, where is he at his position, pf, in the league ?

ad is 1 (if you consider him a real pf). giannis is 2. and at 3 it's either him or sabonis. take your pick. why am i getting rid of him ? he's not old.



The gap between 1-2 and the next spot is the size of a super massive black hole.


top 5 players in the league are hard to get. the knicks are not gonna just tank until they draft one. that could take decades.
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Post#308 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:21 pm

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He has the lowest PER of that group, and touches the ball more than LeBron and Bam. Luka has literally nobody else on his team right now and just barely gets the ball more than Randle. Once Sham eventually figures out that Randle is why Mitch can't run PnR every play I'll come for you with a trade Randle thread when you least expect it.


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Post#309 » by Sark » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:21 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Sark wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
i'm usually all in on team tank but randle is convincing me to be off that. right now, where is he at his position, pf, in the league ?

ad is 1 (if you consider him a real pf). giannis is 2. and at 3 it's either him or sabonis. take your pick. why am i getting rid of him ? he's not old.



The gap between 1-2 and the next spot is the size of a super massive black hole.


top 5 players in the league are hard to get. the knicks are not gonna just tank until they draft one. that could take decades.



It's already been 2 decades. What's a wrong with a few more?
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Post#310 » by BugginOut » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:21 pm

My problem is if we were really going to compete for the playoffs this year with Randle, why not try and sign players like FVV? We knew Thibs wasn't going to tank, but our guard play is crap and it is probably going to keep us from being good enough to actually make the play-in and screw us even more in the draft odds
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Post#311 » by DaGawd » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:22 pm

Yeah this endless tank mentality is flawed.. especially with the recent changes to the lotto odds. You’re better off competing the best you can and if you miss the post season just hope for the best in the lotto. That’s all you really can do. It’s wildly unpredictable
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Post#312 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:25 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:This is elite company
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He has the lowest PER of that group, and touches the ball more than LeBron and Bam. Luka has literally nobody else on his team right now and just barely gets the ball more than Randle. Once Sham eventually figures out that Randle is why Mitch can't run PnR every play I'll come for you with a trade Randle thread when you least expect it.


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But let’s be honest. Trey Burke, Brunson and Hardaway are much better than Payton and Bullocks. To say Luka has completely nobody like Randle is fake news!
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Post#313 » by JBreezeNY » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:26 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Sark wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
i'm usually all in on team tank but randle is convincing me to be off that. right now, where is he at his position, pf, in the league ?

ad is 1 (if you consider him a real pf). giannis is 2. and at 3 it's either him or sabonis. take your pick. why am i getting rid of him ? he's not old.



The gap between 1-2 and the next spot is the size of a super massive black hole.


top 5 players in the league are hard to get. the knicks are not gonna just tank until they draft one. that could take decades.


Idk Shamm...Randle is too much of a flawed player to keep around, no?

He may be top 5 at his position but is that going to translate to wins/title contending? I say hell no.

We’re stuck to be honest.

RJ looking like sh*t, Obi looking like an old sh*t and Knox is inconsistent as all hell. We kinda do need talent in the draft. At least these next two drafts. After that try to win as many games as you can.
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Post#314 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:28 pm

DaGawd wrote:Yeah this endless tank mentality is flawed.. especially with the recent changes to the lotto odds. You’re better off competing the best you can and if you miss the post season just hope for the best in the lotto. That’s all you really can do. It’s wildly unpredictable


Jokic at 41st pick and he's a franchise player. Just need to build the best organization you can and keep working
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Post#315 » by DaGawd » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:29 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Sark wrote:

The gap between 1-2 and the next spot is the size of a super massive black hole.


top 5 players in the league are hard to get. the knicks are not gonna just tank until they draft one. that could take decades.


Idk Shamm...Randle is too much of a flawed player to keep around, no?

He may be top 5 at his position but is that going to translate to wins/title contending? I say hell no.

We’re stuck to be honest.

RJ looking like sh*t, Obi looking like an old sh*t and Knox is inconsistent as all hell. We kinda do need talent in the draft. At least these next two drafts. After that try to win as many games as you can.

We’ve got like 5 lottery picks on the team right now and still talking snot needing talent from the draft.. does anyone really think tanking is finna help us?
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Post#316 » by JBreezeNY » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:35 pm

DaGawd wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
top 5 players in the league are hard to get. the knicks are not gonna just tank until they draft one. that could take decades.


Idk Shamm...Randle is too much of a flawed player to keep around, no?

He may be top 5 at his position but is that going to translate to wins/title contending? I say hell no.

We’re stuck to be honest.

RJ looking like sh*t, Obi looking like an old sh*t and Knox is inconsistent as all hell. We kinda do need talent in the draft. At least these next two drafts. After that try to win as many games as you can.

We’ve got like 5 lottery picks on the team right now and still talking snot needing talent from the draft.. does anyone really think tanking is find help us?

Well it’s less about the quantity and more the quality. We have those picks but the talent we’re seeing from them hardly constitutes as worthy of where they were selected.

We should continue to put ourselves in a position to get high draft lottery picks as long as the team competes. I can’t co-sign tanking only because the new rules will give you a number one pick even at 30+ wins.
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Post#317 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:36 pm

DaGawd wrote:Yeah this endless tank mentality is flawed.. especially with the recent changes to the lotto odds. You’re better off competing the best you can and if you miss the post season just hope for the best in the lotto. That’s all you really can do. It’s wildly unpredictable


Whereever we pick we just gotta draft better. Too many mediocre picks year after year.
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Re: Knicks - Nuggets PG 

Post#318 » by DaGawd » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:38 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:
Idk Shamm...Randle is too much of a flawed player to keep around, no?

He may be top 5 at his position but is that going to translate to wins/title contending? I say hell no.

We’re stuck to be honest.

RJ looking like sh*t, Obi looking like an old sh*t and Knox is inconsistent as all hell. We kinda do need talent in the draft. At least these next two drafts. After that try to win as many games as you can.

We’ve got like 5 lottery picks on the team right now and still talking snot needing talent from the draft.. does anyone really think tanking is find help us?

Well it’s less about the quantity and more the quality. We have those picks but the talent we’re seeing from them hardly constitutes as worthy of where they were selected.

We should continue to put ourselves in a position to get high draft lottery picks as long as the team competes. I can’t co-sign tanking only because the new rules will give you a number one pick even at 30+ wins.

I agree with quality. But like I said it’s so hard now to strategically plan for getting a top 3 pick now. Being the worst team record wise can still easily slide you down to 5 and out of the grasp of that true franchise talent
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Post#319 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:45 pm

I dont really think tanking is a good strategy in general at this point, but this looks like a special draft. If we could guarantee ourselves a top 5 pick and best chance at #1 i would take that over winning 33 games. Of course it doesnt work that way and it is never that simple. Being the worst team in the league means the other guys on the team are really bad. At this point whatever happens, happens and can't stress over it too much. Hopefully we get some luck for a change.
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Post#320 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:46 pm

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I think this pretty much sums up what we can see. We have an atrocious starting backcourt. Elf/RJ/Bullock have been our worse players.
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