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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#41 » by Jimmit79 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:36 pm

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i'm not saying they should rush into some massive crossover situation. that's a big part of what made the snyderverse such a failure. i just mean technical continuity for the sake of world building, which is good for any comic book adaptation. as far as serialization - i just think it's a better storytelling medium for the types of characters dc has in its stable. i'm not talking about CW trash television either. subscription streaming service high budget material

you can still make batman movies, of course. but the gap between tv and cinema is so slim now it's become no big deal to weave back and forth between the two
They would be better off building small crossovers like Batman, Red hood, Nightwing crossovers rather then stick all DC heroes together I wish they also do less cgi and more nolan style movies I know kids love marvel cgi fights but last decades Batman trilogy is still perfect and more realistic.

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i agree. imagine an hbomax gothamverse with hints at metropolis, the amazon, atlantis, etc strung throughout. you could still have batman movies, wonder woman movies, etc, and the room to develop crossover events down the line if and where they are appropriate

while i too prefer less cgi spectacle and pretty much dislike zack snyder's style (feels a little like the directorial version of nu metal), and while i did enjoy nolan's trilogy a lot, i kind of prefer a more gothic, fictionalized gotham. i think this matt reeves movie is gonna nail it
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#42 » by Polk377 » Fri Apr 2, 2021 3:44 pm

Watched the Snyder Cut from start to finish last night. It was 10x better to me than the theatrical release. Justice League was always a visually stunning movie but this cut put the missing pieces back in to make the storytelling move appealing. The problem with the original was that it was 2 movies too soon to get to this point. Should have had proper Batman and Aquaman movies to set the characters up earlier. Cyborg's creation could have been a central arc of a Batman movie since they both come from Gotham and could have gotten the backstory of the 3 Boxes during that movie setting them up like infinity stones in the MCU. This would have led to Batman putting together the pieces from Luthor's warning and assembling the team. Aquaman and the Atlantians being central figures in the Justice League story needed to be flushed out beforehand as well. The most important thing would have been letting the death of Superman resonate with the characters longer. From the end of Batman V Superman to when he brought back to life, Superman in the movies is only dead for about an hour and a half of screen time. The extra cut at least made the need for him stand out more.

I know this movie isn't for everybody because unlike me most people can't sit there for 4 hours and stay engaged in any movie. This story however needed all 4 hours to properly setup the events that were happening. I wish WB would let Snyder finish the trilogy because I would love to see Flashpoint tie into the Injustice story he would tell.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#43 » by knickstape4ever » Fri Apr 2, 2021 11:35 pm

an improvement over the theatrical release for sure

didn't like the aspect ratio tho
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#44 » by NoLayupRule » Fri Apr 2, 2021 11:51 pm

its undeniably better but its still garbage

bad writing
bad acting
hyper indulgent use of slowmo and mood music to convey emotion and gravitas that they cant get through in acting or writing
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#45 » by islanders11040 » Sat Apr 3, 2021 12:35 am

4 hrs?!?! jesus
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#46 » by Polk377 » Sat Apr 3, 2021 4:35 pm

islanders11040 wrote:4 hrs?!?! jesus

It's really not that bad if you watch it as if it is a 4 part mini series.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#47 » by Polk377 » Sat Apr 3, 2021 4:40 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:its undeniably better but its still garbage

bad writing
bad acting
hyper indulgent use of slowmo and mood music to convey emotion and gravitas that they cant get through in acting or writing

It is a Superhero epic that was made to visually stand out and look like something you would see in a comic strip. It is not meant to be a Scorsese dialog driven masterpiece.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#48 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Apr 3, 2021 9:11 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:its undeniably better but its still garbage

bad writing
bad acting
hyper indulgent use of slowmo and mood music to convey emotion and gravitas that they cant get through in acting or writing


Fun fact: Per IGN, roughly 10 percent of the movie, nearly a full half hour, was done in slow mo.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#49 » by NoLayupRule » Mon Apr 5, 2021 11:00 pm

Polk377 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:its undeniably better but its still garbage

bad writing
bad acting
hyper indulgent use of slowmo and mood music to convey emotion and gravitas that they cant get through in acting or writing

It is a Superhero epic that was made to visually stand out and look like something you would see in a comic strip. It is not meant to be a Scorsese dialog driven masterpiece.



what a lazy excuse that is

was there ever a Dolan helmed Batman that sacrificed story?
Is it a necessary element to visual epics that they have terrible acting?
Does something need to need to be a masterpiece to not feel like it was written by a 7 year old?

as I said its vastly superior to the original
largely because they took out all the incredibly stupid jokes and leaned into the mood

but its still a mediocre film that does nothing beyond finally re-empowering WW as she was in her first film

speaking of ... how crap was that 2nd WW film?
Unwatchable garbage
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#50 » by NYKAL » Tue Apr 6, 2021 12:22 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:its undeniably better but its still garbage

bad writing
bad acting
hyper indulgent use of slowmo and mood music to convey emotion and gravitas that they cant get through in acting or writing


agreed. It certainly wasn't worth sitting through that long of a movie. It took me 3 sitting to finish it.

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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#51 » by Polk377 » Tue Apr 6, 2021 5:19 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:its undeniably better but its still garbage

bad writing
bad acting
hyper indulgent use of slowmo and mood music to convey emotion and gravitas that they cant get through in acting or writing

It is a Superhero epic that was made to visually stand out and look like something you would see in a comic strip. It is not meant to be a Scorsese dialog driven masterpiece.



what a lazy excuse that is

was there ever a Dolan helmed Batman that sacrificed story?
Is it a necessary element to visual epics that they have terrible acting?
Does something need to need to be a masterpiece to not feel like it was written by a 7 year old?

as I said its vastly superior to the original
largely because they took out all the incredibly stupid jokes and leaned into the mood

but its still a mediocre film that does nothing beyond finally re-empowering WW as she was in her first film

speaking of ... how crap was that 2nd WW film?
Unwatchable garbage

I only really enjoyed The Dark Knight in the Nolan trilogy. Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises were both mediocre to me.
I thought the acting was good with the stupid jokes taken away in the Snyder Cut that made it cringe in the first place. The only character I would really change would be Barry Allen to be more like the Flash in the TV Series. Smarter less annoying loser.
Like I said Justice League was never going to be great story telling because it was 2-3 movies too soon. They had to include a ton of filler for it to even make sense. Every characters arc made more sense than the original especially Batman.

I haven't seen WW84 and don't really plan to based off of the negative reception. That is what happens when movies go woke.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#52 » by NoLayupRule » Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:11 pm

Polk377 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
Polk377 wrote:It is a Superhero epic that was made to visually stand out and look like something you would see in a comic strip. It is not meant to be a Scorsese dialog driven masterpiece.



what a lazy excuse that is

was there ever a Dolan helmed Batman that sacrificed story?
Is it a necessary element to visual epics that they have terrible acting?
Does something need to need to be a masterpiece to not feel like it was written by a 7 year old?

as I said its vastly superior to the original
largely because they took out all the incredibly stupid jokes and leaned into the mood

but its still a mediocre film that does nothing beyond finally re-empowering WW as she was in her first film

speaking of ... how crap was that 2nd WW film?
Unwatchable garbage

I only really enjoyed The Dark Knight in the Nolan trilogy. Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises were both mediocre to me.
I thought the acting was good with the stupid jokes taken away in the Snyder Cut that made it cringe in the first place. The only character I would really change would be Barry Allen to be more like the Flash in the TV Series. Smarter less annoying loser.
Like I said Justice League was never going to be great story telling because it was 2-3 movies too soon. They had to include a ton of filler for it to even make sense. Every characters arc made more sense than the original especially Batman.

I haven't seen WW84 and don't really plan to based off of the negative reception. That is what happens when movies go woke.

i dont think it was wokeness that was the issue

I think it was poor writing and leaning on a gimmick/soundtrack over content that doomed WW84

flash more than anyone was so tonally off in this movie

superhero kids are hard to do well
I think the new spiderman was a success at that
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#53 » by Polk377 » Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:18 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:

what a lazy excuse that is

was there ever a Dolan helmed Batman that sacrificed story?
Is it a necessary element to visual epics that they have terrible acting?
Does something need to need to be a masterpiece to not feel like it was written by a 7 year old?

as I said its vastly superior to the original
largely because they took out all the incredibly stupid jokes and leaned into the mood

but its still a mediocre film that does nothing beyond finally re-empowering WW as she was in her first film

speaking of ... how crap was that 2nd WW film?
Unwatchable garbage

I only really enjoyed The Dark Knight in the Nolan trilogy. Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises were both mediocre to me.
I thought the acting was good with the stupid jokes taken away in the Snyder Cut that made it cringe in the first place. The only character I would really change would be Barry Allen to be more like the Flash in the TV Series. Smarter less annoying loser.
Like I said Justice League was never going to be great story telling because it was 2-3 movies too soon. They had to include a ton of filler for it to even make sense. Every characters arc made more sense than the original especially Batman.

I haven't seen WW84 and don't really plan to based off of the negative reception. That is what happens when movies go woke.

i dont think it was wokeness that was the issue

I think it was poor writing and leaning on a gimmick/soundtrack over content that doomed WW84

flash more than anyone was so tonally off in this movie

superhero kids are hard to do well
I think the new spiderman was a success at that

Didn't see it so couldn't tell you.

Well that was the problem. Ezra Miller was 24 acting like he was a clueless kid. Tom Holland works because he is actually a kid.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#54 » by K-DOT » Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:25 pm

Polk377 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
Polk377 wrote:I only really enjoyed The Dark Knight in the Nolan trilogy. Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises were both mediocre to me.
I thought the acting was good with the stupid jokes taken away in the Snyder Cut that made it cringe in the first place. The only character I would really change would be Barry Allen to be more like the Flash in the TV Series. Smarter less annoying loser.
Like I said Justice League was never going to be great story telling because it was 2-3 movies too soon. They had to include a ton of filler for it to even make sense. Every characters arc made more sense than the original especially Batman.

I haven't seen WW84 and don't really plan to based off of the negative reception. That is what happens when movies go woke.

i dont think it was wokeness that was the issue

I think it was poor writing and leaning on a gimmick/soundtrack over content that doomed WW84

flash more than anyone was so tonally off in this movie

superhero kids are hard to do well
I think the new spiderman was a success at that

Didn't see it so couldn't tell you.

Well that was the problem. Ezra Miller was 24 acting like he was a clueless kid. Tom Holland works because he is actually a kid.

Then don't lol

I haven't seen it either and have no plans to cause I hear it's not good, and I can't comment on the "wokeness" of it because I haven't seen it

But I always get a kick out of people who are like "I haven't seen it, but go woke go broke" and that applies to any piece of media.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#55 » by Polk377 » Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:28 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:i dont think it was wokeness that was the issue

I think it was poor writing and leaning on a gimmick/soundtrack over content that doomed WW84

flash more than anyone was so tonally off in this movie

superhero kids are hard to do well
I think the new spiderman was a success at that

Didn't see it so couldn't tell you.

Well that was the problem. Ezra Miller was 24 acting like he was a clueless kid. Tom Holland works because he is actually a kid.

Then don't lol

I haven't seen it either and have no plans to cause I hear it's not good, and I can't comment on the "wokeness" of it because I haven't seen it

But I always get a kick out of people who are like "I haven't seen it, but go woke go broke" and that applies to any piece of media.

That's what I've heard.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#56 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:46 pm

WW1984 wasn't woke at all. It actually had a ton of cliche women movie stereotypes that was couldn't believe was written by Patti Jenkins. Wonder Women basically never touched another man for 70 years cuz of love or something. She ended up basically raping someone later on in the film. Kristen Wiigs character "got hot" from just removing her glasses. Wonder Women also decided to let a man fly her invisible jet instead of her. There was a few other thing but I can't think of them off the top of my head but it was a very poorly written movie.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#57 » by vallen » Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:51 pm

Polk377 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
Polk377 wrote:I only really enjoyed The Dark Knight in the Nolan trilogy. Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises were both mediocre to me.
I thought the acting was good with the stupid jokes taken away in the Snyder Cut that made it cringe in the first place. The only character I would really change would be Barry Allen to be more like the Flash in the TV Series. Smarter less annoying loser.
Like I said Justice League was never going to be great story telling because it was 2-3 movies too soon. They had to include a ton of filler for it to even make sense. Every characters arc made more sense than the original especially Batman.

I haven't seen WW84 and don't really plan to based off of the negative reception. That is what happens when movies go woke.

i dont think it was wokeness that was the issue

I think it was poor writing and leaning on a gimmick/soundtrack over content that doomed WW84

flash more than anyone was so tonally off in this movie

superhero kids are hard to do well
I think the new spiderman was a success at that

Didn't see it so couldn't tell you.

Well that was the problem. Ezra Miller was 24 acting like he was a clueless kid. Tom Holland works because he is actually a kid.



Tom Holland is 24. 20 when he began the role. Hes just a better actor.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#58 » by K-DOT » Tue Apr 6, 2021 8:05 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:WW1984 wasn't woke at all. It actually had a ton of cliche women movie stereotypes that was couldn't believe was written by Patti Jenkins. Wonder Women basically never touched another man for 70 years cuz of love or something. She ended up basically raping someone later on in the film. Kristen Wiigs character "got hot" from just removing her glasses. Wonder Women also decided to let a man fly her invisible jet instead of her. There was a few other thing but I can't think of them off the top of my head but it was a very poorly written movie.

I think people just see:

Written by a woman
Main character is a woman
Poor critical/audience reception

And assume "woke"

It's also almost always preceded by "I haven't seen it but"

Like, I just hear it's bad and I had (at the time) little to no interest in the DCEU, so I didn't see it, and I likely still won't, so I can't comment on that.
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#59 » by NoLayupRule » Tue Apr 6, 2021 8:23 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:i dont think it was wokeness that was the issue

I think it was poor writing and leaning on a gimmick/soundtrack over content that doomed WW84

flash more than anyone was so tonally off in this movie

superhero kids are hard to do well
I think the new spiderman was a success at that

Didn't see it so couldn't tell you.

Well that was the problem. Ezra Miller was 24 acting like he was a clueless kid. Tom Holland works because he is actually a kid.

Then don't lol

I haven't seen it either and have no plans to cause I hear it's not good, and I can't comment on the "wokeness" of it because I haven't seen it

But I always get a kick out of people who are like "I haven't seen it, but go woke go broke" and that applies to any piece of media.

there was nothing woke about it

that word is being used as a handful of lazy slop to sling in lieu of an actual thought
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Re: OT: Zack Snyder’s Justice League 

Post#60 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Apr 6, 2021 8:39 pm

K-DOT wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:WW1984 wasn't woke at all. It actually had a ton of cliche women movie stereotypes that was couldn't believe was written by Patti Jenkins. Wonder Women basically never touched another man for 70 years cuz of love or something. She ended up basically raping someone later on in the film. Kristen Wiigs character "got hot" from just removing her glasses. Wonder Women also decided to let a man fly her invisible jet instead of her. There was a few other thing but I can't think of them off the top of my head but it was a very poorly written movie.

I think people just see:

Written by a woman
Main character is a woman
Poor critical/audience reception

And assume "woke"

It's also almost always preceded by "I haven't seen it but"

Like, I just hear it's bad and I had (at the time) little to no interest in the DCEU, so I didn't see it, and I likely still won't, so I can't comment on that.


I think a bigger sign of wokeness being an issue with a movie is when something is critically acclaimed but hated by the audience. Usually most journalists are way more progressive than the world around them, so if there's that big of a disconnect between the two it's safe to assume wokeness is causing it. The Joker and The last jedi kinda perfect encapsulate that phenomenon.

That's not to say wokeness can't be used really well in movies Get out and Zootopia were pretty woke and still amazing. The weird thing is with woke writing is that it ends up making such boring female characters. A few years ago there was a major backlash cuz one of the marvel female characters having a miscarriage in her backstory and it seemed so silly to me that people were mad about it. Having flaws and overcoming personal tragedy is what make characters compelling and realistic. Pretty much every superhero has some horrible tragedy in their pasts too.
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