GONYK wrote:John Henson is available.
Not bad for 15 MPG
i thought he was decent for the bucks so why not
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GONYK wrote:John Henson is available.
Not bad for 15 MPG
3toheadmelo wrote:GONYK wrote:John Henson is available.
Not bad for 15 MPG
i thought he was decent for the bucks so why not
Chanel Bomber wrote:NewKnicks wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:Money isn't just absolute. Mitch is the lowest paid rotation player on the team, by far, and every day he sees less deserving peers like Payton, Knox or Obi earn over twice as much as he does, without doing any of the dirty work. Inequality has a psychological impact in a profession that's supposed to be variably but still in essence meritocratic.
As of today, Mitch is severely underpaid, without any long-term security. I'm not asking you to shed tears for Mitch, but I think we should at least acknowledge that. Until he gets his second contract, his long-term financial security still hangs in the balance.
I'm betting on Mitch any day. I think these were freak injuries, I don't see any sign that his health is going to be a recurring issue. If anything, these recent injuries can only drive the price down, while he's proven that he can be the defensive anchor of the NBA's #3 ranked defense.
I'm worried about the free throw shooting far more than injuries to be honest.
True, but he could have taken some time to prove himself in college. He decided not to, and wasn't drafted high enough to get that big first contract. That's on him.
I don't see any reason we need to hand him a big bag at the moment. With these injuries, it does give the Knicks brass an opportunity to take a pause in negotiations. Make him earn it on the court. In my book there is nothing wrong with that. Considering our history of handing out horrendous contracts, I see no reason to sign him to a large multi-year deal.
Like I said previously, this could work out great for the Knicks. His stance on negotiations just took a huge hit, and him and his agent are not going to be able to command that big deal he was hoping for.
I don't want anyone injured obviously, but in the end this might turn out to be a blessing. Make him bet on himself and earn his next contract on the court.
Again, all of this is his fault (not the injuries). He decided to not play in college, and that cost him dearly. I don't feel sorry for him.
I think he's proven his value and if anything (contrary to you) I think the Knicks should take advantage of the injury situation to give him the bag while his value is down. I personally think that'd be the smart approach. It's not like he's an unknown at this point, we know what he brings to the table defensively, he's proven it.
As far as his next contract is concerned, I'm not doing anything until I know what Kawhi does this summer. Then you don't know if Mitch could be part of a package for a third star or whatnot. But otherwise I'd try to lock him up asap.
The price can only go up if he provides undeniable evidence that he can stay healthy and plays at an All-NBA defense level. Then you're talking $20 million a year, or more. The Knicks should have the foresight to give him a reasonable contract while his value is down.
It's the Zach Lavine thing all over again. A lot of posters didn't want him because he hadn't proven that he could be efficient and help a team win. Now that he has, people want him, but of course the Knicks can't get him because the Bulls don't want to trade him.
You have to take calculated risks. I think extending Mitch is one. Could be right, could be wrong, only time will tell. But you can't only make decisions based on what's right in front of your eyes. You have to make smart investments. If you wait until you have the evidence, then everybody knows the value of your asset, which forces you to overpay. That's why proven players always get overpaid in free agency.
3toheadmelo wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Whiteside moves like a snail on the court. literally. was very frustrating to watch him on Portland last season
Vs brooklyn. Look at comments, a bunch of laker fans clamoring for him. To a championship roster.
They are not too good for him. We shouldnt act like we are.
Buyout guys will have their flaws. Even Olynyk who is probably gonna be considered better could be trashed for his defense.
Do you guys want to add talent or not? Is some no name home grown supposed to be the savior?
Not even sure where the field goal post are right now.
Not sure if the knicks players are too good? non knicks players are too bad? Do they need help? Do they not need help? This is starting to become bizarro world like iron man mitch narrative
i've seen whiteside play plenty throughout his career. i live in florida so i watch a lot of heat games occassionally and i watched him a lot in portland. there's a reason why the heat took off once they got rid of whiteside. was saying for 2 years they need to start bam over him and they finally did last season, heat goes to the finals. portland got rid of him and they have a winning record, unlike last year. it's not a coincidence that every team that got rid of whiteside ends up way better.
what whitside did against brooklyn doesn't impress me. every center goes off against brooklyn. and whiteside's numbers are empty stats. kings still lost that game.
us knicks fans want to add talented players that have a winning impact. not stat padding losers
bearadonisdna wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:
Vs brooklyn. Look at comments, a bunch of laker fans clamoring for him. To a championship roster.
They are not too good for him. We shouldnt act like we are.
Buyout guys will have their flaws. Even Olynyk who is probably gonna be considered better could be trashed for his defense.
Do you guys want to add talent or not? Is some no name home grown supposed to be the savior?
Not even sure where the field goal post are right now.
Not sure if the knicks players are too good? non knicks players are too bad? Do they need help? Do they not need help? This is starting to become bizarro world like iron man mitch narrative
i've seen whiteside play plenty throughout his career. i live in florida so i watch a lot of heat games occassionally and i watched him a lot in portland. there's a reason why the heat took off once they got rid of whiteside. was saying for 2 years they need to start bam over him and they finally did last season, heat goes to the finals. portland got rid of him and they have a winning record, unlike last year. it's not a coincidence that every team that got rid of whiteside ends up way better.
what whitside did against brooklyn doesn't impress me. every center goes off against brooklyn. and whiteside's numbers are empty stats. kings still lost that game.
us knicks fans want to add talented players that have a winning impact. not stat padding losers
Statically he has been a positive impact for most of his career.
Dude i cant get caught up in narratives and revisionist history.
Portland last year:
25 PER
64% TS%
15.5ppg 13.5rpg 2.9bpg
Bpm + 3.2 (2nd on the team)
Whatever problems portland last year, statiscally it was not whiteside.
Extrapolate that type of production to the knicks center position and im pretty happy, dont care about a bunch of other unsubstantiated crap.
3toheadmelo wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:i've seen whiteside play plenty throughout his career. i live in florida so i watch a lot of heat games occassionally and i watched him a lot in portland. there's a reason why the heat took off once they got rid of whiteside. was saying for 2 years they need to start bam over him and they finally did last season, heat goes to the finals. portland got rid of him and they have a winning record, unlike last year. it's not a coincidence that every team that got rid of whiteside ends up way better.
what whitside did against brooklyn doesn't impress me. every center goes off against brooklyn. and whiteside's numbers are empty stats. kings still lost that game.
us knicks fans want to add talented players that have a winning impact. not stat padding losers
Statically he has been a positive impact for most of his career.
Dude i cant get caught up in narratives and revisionist history.
Portland last year:
25 PER
64% TS%
15.5ppg 13.5rpg 2.9bpg
Bpm + 3.2 (2nd on the team)
Whatever problems portland last year, statiscally it was not whiteside.
Extrapolate that type of production to the knicks center position and im pretty happy, dont care about a bunch of other unsubstantiated crap.
Yet Portland and Miami look significantly better without him. To say that Portland’s problems had nothing to do with whiteside just shows much games you watched of them. In fact you said “whatever problems”, so you just admitted you didn’t watch them.
Nobody is playing revisionist history. We all said he sucked while he was on Portland. Literally in the around the nba threads.
GONYK wrote:John Henson is available.
Not bad for 15 MPG
Spree2Houston wrote:We need a Terrance Ferguson appreciation thread
bearadonisdna wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:
Vs brooklyn. Look at comments, a bunch of laker fans clamoring for him. To a championship roster.
They are not too good for him. We shouldnt act like we are.
Buyout guys will have their flaws. Even Olynyk who is probably gonna be considered better could be trashed for his defense.
Do you guys want to add talent or not? Is some no name home grown supposed to be the savior?
Not even sure where the field goal post are right now.
Not sure if the knicks players are too good? non knicks players are too bad? Do they need help? Do they not need help? This is starting to become bizarro world like iron man mitch narrative
i've seen whiteside play plenty throughout his career. i live in florida so i watch a lot of heat games occassionally and i watched him a lot in portland. there's a reason why the heat took off once they got rid of whiteside. was saying for 2 years they need to start bam over him and they finally did last season, heat goes to the finals. portland got rid of him and they have a winning record, unlike last year. it's not a coincidence that every team that got rid of whiteside ends up way better.
what whitside did against brooklyn doesn't impress me. every center goes off against brooklyn. and whiteside's numbers are empty stats. kings still lost that game.
us knicks fans want to add talented players that have a winning impact. not stat padding losers
Statically he has been a positive impact for most of his career.
Dude i cant get caught up in narratives and revisionist history.
Portland last year:
25 PER
64% TS%
15.5ppg 13.5rpg 2.9bpg
Bpm + 3.2 (2nd on the team)
Whatever problems portland last year, statiscally it was not whiteside.
Extrapolate that type of production to the knicks center position and im pretty happy, dont care about a bunch of other unsubstantiated crap.
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