Jeff Van Gully wrote: Chanel Bomber wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:what record do some of you think this team should have? just being real... when the season started you thought our record after 51 games would be:
some tough losses in some tough games. hard to be mad at this group that's doing everything overachieving with house money. this is the right direction for the identity of the group. the limitations are basically now ones of talent, which can be addressed by the FO.
The limitations are more than just talent. They are also philosophical, if not entirely psychological when it comes to Thibs. A front office and a head coach who think it's perfectly reasonable to start a non-shooting, non-defending point guard despite there being better options signal that they might not be in tune with the way basketball is played in 2021, or that they might just be a step slow. That's a major red flag for me. Leon Rose had the opportunity to address this issue in the off-season and before the deadline. And Thibs has enough guards to manufacture a Frankenstein backcourt that operates more efficiently than what he's stuck to all year
. Yet nothing has happened.
I maintain that this team isn't as good as its record suggests either, because of strength of schedule and because the team has been less hit by injuries/COVID protocol than a lot of its opponents. The idea of the play-in tournament gives the impression that this is a playoff team, but I'd be very surprised if this team finished in the top 8 in the East.
My point is, with a neutral strength of schedule, and an equal distribution of injuries, I think this club with these rotations is clearly a sub-.500 team. With some tweaks to the rotation, and a front office that's more proactive in addressing some of the issues we have at key positions, this team could actually be a legit .500 team.
One of the biggest things holding this franchise back and (in my opinion) clouding the judgement of a lot of Knicks fans (not you) is low expectations.
I’m with you on the elf thing. Team looks to be shooting better and more often from long range.
I totally get watching the frustrating things about thibs and being... frustrated. But to be mad at him too long is to discredit that he’s the reason we’re not a heaping pile of dog schidt. Instead we look like a playoff team.Dude is spinning straw into gold
. Then maybe making a couple of bad watches?
That's where we disagree, I guess.
This is not gold we're getting. At best, he's turning straw into bronze. Or good old reliable metal.
Which goes back to my point about low expectations. Is Thibs really doing a great job and getting the most out of this roster, or did he simply inherit a mediocre roster that underperformed under Fizdale (the worst coach in the NBA) and Miller (a G-League coach) and then naturally became respectable with an actual NBA head coach at the helm and with the improvement of the young guys particularly RJ and Mitch?
The team was a heaping pile of dog chit under Fizdale. And Fizdale shouldn't be the standard based on which we judge Thibs, because he was so bad.
Thibs deserves credit for implementing a defensive system and having all the players buy in. He has changed culture, for the better. Not every head coach can do that, and that's why he's credible and deserves to coach this team. But I think about half of the NBA HCs could've gotten the team this far. Thibs an average NBA HC in my view. Maybe top 13-15 range. I don't think it warrants an ovation. It's the minimum the Knicks should be aiming for.