Trades & Transactions

[8516knicks]

Trade Idea

NY gets:
Malcolm Brogdon

Indiana gets:
Kristaps Porzingis, Obi Toppin, Kevin Knox, 2020 NY 1st round pick, future Dallas 1st round pick

Dallas gets:
Myles Turner, 2023 Knicks 2nd round pick

I live in Dallas and I can tell you Porzingis has worn out his welcome here a change of scenery might due him good. NY essentially trades late lottery picks and a 1st round pick this year for a real point guard. Indy does to to retool. They still would have Sabonis, Porzingis, LeVert, Warren and some draft capital to work with.

Two 1st rd picks + 2nd rd pick (32nd pick) + Obi + Kev JUST for the often injured Malcom Brogdan?

2016 - 2017 season: 75 (games played)

2017 - 2018 season: 48 (games played)

2018 - 2019 season: 64 (games played)

2019 - 2020 season: 54 (games played)

2020 - 2021 season: 56 (games played)

But there's a germ of an idea/question in there - given, as you point out Brogdan's injury history, what would it take for us to get him straight up? Is it worth, for example, the Dallas #1 and Detroit #2 or the #58 this year?

[Huey Freeman]

Trade Idea

NY gets:
Malcolm Brogdon

Indiana gets:
Kristaps Porzingis, Obi Toppin, Kevin Knox, 2020 NY 1st round pick, future Dallas 1st round pick

Dallas gets:
Myles Turner, 2023 Knicks 2nd round pick

I live in Dallas and I can tell you Porzingis has worn out his welcome here a change of scenery might due him good. NY essentially trades late lottery picks and a 1st round pick this year for a real point guard. Indy does to to retool. They still would have Sabonis, Porzingis, LeVert, Warren and some draft capital to work with.

Two 1st rd picks + 2nd rd pick (32nd pick) + Obi + Kev JUST for the often injured Malcom Brogdan?

2016 - 2017 season: 75 (games played)

2017 - 2018 season: 48 (games played)

2018 - 2019 season: 64 (games played)

2019 - 2020 season: 54 (games played)

2020 - 2021 season: 56 (games played)

But there's a germ of an idea/question in there - given, as you point out Brogdan's injury history, what would it take for us to get him straight up? Is it worth, for example, the Dallas #1 and Detroit #2 or the #58 this year?

I had to edit the 2023 2nd Pick comment. I misread the year, so THAT pick is okay to trade because we have 4 2nd round picks that year. However, we would have to make this trade on draft night and I feel that we could use those assets in another trade.

I'm not a GM but the MOST I would consider trading now - on draft night - is #21 + #58 + Kev. I'm not giving up Dallas' 2023 1st rd pick yet because they are going to get desperate to improve that team and will need to trade picks to get players. From my understanding (which could be very wrong) is that they are kind of stuck dealing future picks because they have 'protections' on the '23 pick. They may have a great deal on the table and be forced to remove the restrictions on the '23 pick in order to get the deal done.

[DickGrayson]

I don't see Indy giving up Malcolm.


I avoid the forums because I'm tired of mindless Kemba Walker slander. Dude is a baller who can recover from his recent injuries. Once he does, he's going to make Boston regret that trade, especially giving away the 16 pick in a stacked draft. However, Kemba can stay in OKC and ball out and increase his value. Or OKC can waive him? I don't know how that works, but if Kemba is let go, Knicks have to capitalize and bring him home. He literally does everything our other guards cannot do. Healthy Kemba is 40% 3pt shooter who can handle the ball without turning it over and plays well with bigs. We lack offensive production at PG and Kemba gives tons of offense. Even when injured, Kemba's production is a massive upgrade over what we got. I'm happy with Rose as back up PG, I think Frank can stay as a defensive specialist last guy on the bench kind of role. But this won't happen because the universe hates the Knicks and we will continue to ride the treadmill of no championship while Knicks forum get flooded with bad takes...but nothing worse than the General Board aka Cacatakeslandia.

[spree2kawhi]

I don't see Indy giving up Malcolm.


I avoid the forums because I'm tired of mindless Kemba Walker slander. Dude is a baller who can recover from his recent injuries. Once he does, he's going to make Boston regret that trade, especially giving away the 16 pick in a stacked draft. However, Kemba can stay in OKC and ball out and increase his value. Or OKC can waive him? I don't know how that works, but if Kemba is let go, Knicks have to capitalize and bring him home. He literally does everything our other guards cannot do. Healthy Kemba is 40% 3pt shooter who can handle the ball without turning it over and plays well with bigs. We lack offensive production at PG and Kemba gives tons of offense. Even when injured, Kemba's production is a massive upgrade over what we got. I'm happy with Rose as back up PG, I think Frank can stay as a defensive specialist last guy on the bench kind of role. But this won't happen because the universe hates the Knicks and we will continue to ride the treadmill of no championship while Knicks forum get flooded with bad takes...but nothing worse than the General Board aka Cacatakeslandia.

I agree, we should go after Kemba Walker as a cheap big time playmaker.

[SARGO127]

I’m the biggest Kemba/UConn fan, but Rose can give us everything Kemba can and more at a fraction of the price

[moocow007]

Walker is now on the wrong side of 30 and the owner of 2 years and nearly $74 million left on his contract. He's great looking to score for himself (when he's healthy, which he's not been the last 2 years) but he doesn't make his teammates or his team better (the 2 BIGGEST things that the Knicks need their presumed "big ticket" item to do).

If the Knicks (and fans) feel the dying need to add a big name type might as well just go with Westbrook or a CP3 (if he holds to rumors and opts out) both of whom at least are more impactful big ticket player on the wrong side of 30. Why stop half (or 3 quarter) baked? I mean seriously. Russell Westbrook and CP3 are both the significantly better players. Since you can only have so many guys on the floor at a time and in the rotation might as well go for it IF you are going to make this type of a move. So if you really want to swing in that type of direction (and I'm not necessarily saying that that direction is the right swing, not saying it's not) then a Westbrook or a CP3 would make A LOT more sense than Kemba Walker, a guy who's not been able to get his team anywhere remotely close to even consistently even respectable in his career and has never shown he can actually elevate a team to anything. Folks need to stop doing the half in, half out (3/4 in 1/4 out) dance. You go, you go all the way...or don't go.

PS: The Celtics apparently had significant concerns about Walkers knees and the prognosis for his future prior to the trade. Walker with bad knees? That's a disaster of a deadweight contract waiting to happen. The Knicks would be better off offering what Walker will make to UFA Demar Derozan who's a healthier, an all around better player and less of a risk IF they are again looking for a big ticket guy on the wrong side of 30. And before anyone says Kemba Walker is a PG, Derozan has averaged more assists per game than Walker has in each of the past 3 seasons not to mention been MUCH MORE efficient offensively while putting up more points. Biggest knock on Derozan is that he doesn't shoot 3's but it's not like walker is a dead eye shooter from deep either.

[Jimmit79]

Walker is now on the wrong side of 30 and the owner of 3 years and nearly $110 million left on his contract. He's great looking to score for himself (when he's healthy, which he's not been the last 2 years) but he doesn't make his teammates or his team better (the 2 BIGGEST things that the Knicks need their presumed "big ticket" item to do). If the Knicks (and fans) feel the dying need to add a big name type might as well just go with Westbrook or a CP3 (if he holds to rumors and opts out) both of whom at least are more impactful big ticket player on the wrong side of 30. Why stop half (or 3 quarter) baked? I mean seriously. Russell Westbrook and CP3 are both the significantly better players. Since you can only have so many guys on the floor at a time and in the rotation might as well go for it IF you are going to make this type of a move. So if you really want to swing in that type of direction (and I'm not necessarily saying that that direction is the right swing, not saying it's not) then a Westbrook or a CP3 would make A LOT more sense than Kemba Walker, a guy who's not been able to get his team anywhere remotely close to even consistently even respectable in his career and has never shown he can actually elevate a team to anything. Folks need to stop doing the half in, half out (3/4 in 1/4 out) dance. You go, you go all the way...or don't go.

PS: The Celtics apparently had significant concerns about Walkers knees and the prognosis for his future prior to the trade. Walker with bad knees? That's a disaster of a deadweight contract waiting to happen. The Knicks would be better off offering what Walker will make to UFA Demar Derozan who's a healthier, an all around better player and less of a risk IF they are again looking for a big ticket guy on the wrong side of 30. And before anyone says Kemba Walker is a PG, Derozan has averaged more assists per game than Walker has in each of the past 3 seasons not to mention been MUCH MORE efficient offensively while putting up more points.

Walker has the ability to hit clutch shots and he's from NY and we would have gotten assets to take his deal.

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[moocow007]

Walker is now on the wrong side of 30 and the owner of 3 years and nearly $110 million left on his contract. He's great looking to score for himself (when he's healthy, which he's not been the last 2 years) but he doesn't make his teammates or his team better (the 2 BIGGEST things that the Knicks need their presumed "big ticket" item to do). If the Knicks (and fans) feel the dying need to add a big name type might as well just go with Westbrook or a CP3 (if he holds to rumors and opts out) both of whom at least are more impactful big ticket player on the wrong side of 30. Why stop half (or 3 quarter) baked? I mean seriously. Russell Westbrook and CP3 are both the significantly better players. Since you can only have so many guys on the floor at a time and in the rotation might as well go for it IF you are going to make this type of a move. So if you really want to swing in that type of direction (and I'm not necessarily saying that that direction is the right swing, not saying it's not) then a Westbrook or a CP3 would make A LOT more sense than Kemba Walker, a guy who's not been able to get his team anywhere remotely close to even consistently even respectable in his career and has never shown he can actually elevate a team to anything. Folks need to stop doing the half in, half out (3/4 in 1/4 out) dance. You go, you go all the way...or don't go.

PS: The Celtics apparently had significant concerns about Walkers knees and the prognosis for his future prior to the trade. Walker with bad knees? That's a disaster of a deadweight contract waiting to happen. The Knicks would be better off offering what Walker will make to UFA Demar Derozan who's a healthier, an all around better player and less of a risk IF they are again looking for a big ticket guy on the wrong side of 30. And before anyone says Kemba Walker is a PG, Derozan has averaged more assists per game than Walker has in each of the past 3 seasons not to mention been MUCH MORE efficient offensively while putting up more points.

Walker has the ability to hit clutch shots and he's from NY and we would have gotten assets to take his deal.

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Not if he's not healthy he's not (hitting big shots).

Being from NY helped the last 2 big ticket guys that came to NY didn't it? And both those guys came in their prime healthy as horses not on the wrong side of 30 with bad knees. Being from NY doesn't matter. If anything it puts even more pressure on the player.

What assets are we getting? I know folks are focused on the Thunder getting the Celtics 1st round pick thinking that it's a "take Walker for an asset" but don't think realize that the Thunder sent a rather promising and productive young player themselves, a 21 year old Moses Brown that averaged near 9/9 for the Thunder this past season along with a future 2nd to the Celtics in exchange.
What do you think the Thunder would send to the Knicks to take Walkers contract? That Boston 1st round pick? Based on most likely outcome, is a potential bench/rotation player (what you'd get on average with a 16th overall pick) be work taking on Walker? IMO, it's not. A 16th overall pick isn't worth being on the treadmill or worse (if Walker's injury concerns become realized and/or he can't make this team better like his track record says he won't). I doubt that even if you include that 16th overall pick with the Knicks and Mavs picks that it'll get you into the part of the lottery that matters (the top 5).

[snowman]

Hey guys, I know it's hard to imagine, but I'm a Celtics fan coming in peace and respect. There are some of us that respect other teams boards as much as I respect my own teams.

Now. the reason I'm here:
In reading some of the posts on this board, I have come to the conclusion that most are not a fan of Kevin Knox any longer. I was wondering what this board thinks of a even swap of Knox for Tristian Thompson. Both are one one year deals, (I realize Knox still has a qualifying offer for his last year) Boston is looking at thinning out our glut at the 5, and is not opposed to a reclamation project on a short deal. I would think Thompson may give the Knicks some backup minutes behind Robinson, since Noel and Gibson are free agents. I know they can be resigned easily enough, but It could give, at the least, more options. Just a thought, and any kind of input would be greatly appreciated. If I'm way off base, please have your mods just lock this and sorry I wasted your time. Thanks.

[moocow007]

Hey guys, I know it's hard to imagine, but I'm a Celtics fan coming in peace and respect. There are some of us that respect other teams boards as much as I respect my own teams.

Now. the reason I'm here:
In reading some of the posts on this board, I have come to the conclusion that most are not a fan of Kevin Knox any longer. I was wondering what this board thinks of a even swap of Knox for Tristian Thompson. Both are one one year deals, (I realize Knox still has a qualifying offer for his last year) Boston is looking at thinning out our glut at the 5, and is not opposed to a reclamation project on a short deal. I would think Thompson may give the Knicks some backup minutes behind Robinson, since Noel and Gibson are free agents. I know they can be resigned easily enough, but It could give, at the least, more options. Just a thought, and any kind of input would be greatly appreciated. If I'm way off base, please have your mods just lock this and sorry I wasted your time. Thanks.

Ehh. Thompson is more of a PF and that's really not a position of need for the Knicks. Guess he could play some C but IMO the trend for NBA centers is shifting or has already shifted to 7 footers that can alter shots on the defensive end, grab boards on the offensive end and rim run. Thompson only really satisfies one of those 3 things. He wouldn't be the starting C which means the Knicks would be paying $9.7 million for a backup C? That just seems excessive dollar wise for a backup center. In comparison the Dwight Howard (who kinda offers all 3 of the above skills) only made $2.5 million with the Sixers. I would look to move Knox to a team that might be willing to take a look for maybe a future pick (even a 2nd rounder may be ok if I don't think he'll ever blossom in NY and can't find a better offer) rather than to swap him for Thompson and take that million or two bump in salary against the cap. I like the player (Thompson) but don't think he's worth getting at this time for the Knicks.

[sol537]

No to Kemba Walker. Terrible defense and injury risk. That trade would set us back big time.

1) Someone mentioned going after a Brogdon + Turner package. Indiana may go into rebuild mode and we can make a fair offer. Those two fill two major needs for us and make us a better, more balanced team. I'd love to see this.

2) Failing that, Kyle Lowry is my next choice. Heck, even with the Brogdon + Turner trade above, I'd try to find a way to get Lowry here to play alongside Brogdon. Lowry on a 2-year deal (he's probably looking for 3 years, but I don't think he'd turn down a fat 2-year deal). Turner, Randle, RJ, Brogdon, and Lowry would be a GREAT New York tough and talented team. One, I think, that everyone could get behind.

3) Failing #1 and #2 above, perhaps we can make a play for Reggie Jackson and Batum on fat 1-year "show me" deals. Mitch, Randle, Batum, RJ, Jackson. Not terrible. Definitely, more talented than what we had this year. Not crazy about this.

4) Then there's always the hail mary play for a DMitch, Lavine, or Beal type player. I think one of those guys will be available this off-season. We have the package to entice their teams. Adding one of those guys to the Mitch + Randle + RJ core would definitely make us a better team under Thibs. Heck, we may even be able to grab one of these three and then go after Lowry, which makes even more sense because now you're giving Lowry a potential contender to come to.

[8516knicks]

Looks like Killian Hayes just became available. Any takers? Last year in top 6 on our wish list.