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OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In

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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#41 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:25 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:Tactically stupid for him not to take the stand. But that's legal and apologies which are not that important. Can't do what he did period.


I disagree. I think that his attorney focusing on the reasonableness of Chauvin's restraint of Floyd as opposed to focusing to "proximate cause" during his closing argument was the big mistake. He was never going to get a jury to believe that placing the knee on Floyd's neck for that long a period of time and under those circumstances was "reasonable" in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I think that he had a much better shot at a better result if he had focused on all of the other possibilities of causation.


Yeah but jurors are still allowed to be emotional. I'm sure they wanted to hear from him. But most likely nothing he could do and hindsight is 2020.


He wasn't a sympathetic person or witness. It would've been a disaster.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#42 » by Stannis » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:30 pm

He can file an appeal. This is going to go on much longer.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#43 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:31 pm

Anyone know what happened to the cops who were with him?
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#44 » by denterprise » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:31 pm

Thank God! About time a dirty cop is convicted of murder.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#45 » by omerome » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:33 pm

What a relief. Glad justice was served for the Floyd family. But we still have work to do.

Keep the pressure on the Manchins and Sinemas as well as even some of the GOP because we need an act of congress to pass legislation so this doesn't keep on happening.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#46 » by JXL » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:35 pm

Now if Biden and his administration can kick out the ratfinks in the GOP Senate, then real progress can be made.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#47 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:36 pm

Stannis wrote:He can file an appeal. This is going to go on much longer.


But he'll be in jail. The appeal is all paperwork and technical legal arguments.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#48 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:37 pm

I felt a massive surge of relief for the moment after the verdict, that they got it right.

It was replaced within seconds by anger to the point of tears that a cut and dry situation involving police in this country is able to create the level of doubt necessary to produce such immense relief.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#49 » by Capn'O » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:39 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:I felt a massive surge of relief for the moment after the verdict, that they got it right.

It was replaced within seconds by anger to the point of tears that a cut and dry situation involving police in this country is able to create the level of doubt necessary to produce such immense relief.


The amount of video showing plainly when justice is not being served has changed public opinion. This is just the beginning. Keep the cameras rolling.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#50 » by mpharris36 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:42 pm

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Stannis wrote:He can file an appeal. This is going to go on much longer.


But he'll be in jail. The appeal is all paperwork and technical legal arguments.


yup, he can appeal all he wants but with bail revoked he will be rotting in jail.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#51 » by KnicksGod » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:42 pm

Stannis wrote:He can file an appeal. This is going to go on much longer.


Nah he'll be in prison. Very hard to win an appeal. His hope is to get out early.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#52 » by cgmw » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:43 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:I felt a massive surge of relief for the moment after the verdict, that they got it right.

It was replaced within seconds by anger to the point of tears that a cut and dry situation involving police in this country is able to create the level of doubt necessary to produce such immense relief.

Well said.

Looking back at the harsh reality of the last 400 hundred, 200, 100, 50, 20, 10, 2 years... I can't help but be optimistic that the BLM movement and George Floyd are a tipping point in saving future victims. Hopefully years from now we can look back at today's verdict as a historic moment that brought real change.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#53 » by 8516knicks » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:54 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:The look in Chauvin's eyes remind me of former Jets head coach Adam Gase.

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My thoughts also. (was Nelson his Darnold?)
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#54 » by 8516knicks » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:58 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:Anyone know what happened to the cops who were with him?


Trials to come. Watch the all do the WW2 Nazi defense - "I was just following orders."
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Post#55 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:11 pm

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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#56 » by nedleeds » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:17 pm

JXL wrote:This is justice, but things definitely need to change.

Until the administration and the DOJ make sweeping changes to reform the police and "pull out the weeds from the rose garden", there will be no true justice.

Let's hope this is the start of a bigger change.


Derek Chauvin is a deranged murderer and lacks the self control to be a free man, let alone act as a police officer.

BUT ... ending the war on drugs is the best way to reform the police, not only just by freeing up money but also by removing the incentive for many of these situations to occur in the first place.

Ending the war on drugs and focusing on treatment for a lifetime addict like Floyd would be a start. Ain't happening under the dems or the pubs. DEA had almost $4 billion last year of our tax dollars alone. They are asking for another $400 million for 2021 and will get it.

https://www.justice.gov/doj/page/file/1246676/download

1,841,200 drug related arrests.

Let that sink in. ONE POINT EIGHT MILLION.

A 2021 analysis of marijuana-related arrests in 2020 in New York City’s five boroughs reported that 94 percent of those arrested weren't white. There's no law on the books that spells out a discriminatory aspect but who in their right mind can justify this? 3 states over I can open a store.

In 2013 the federal government spent about $15 billion a year investigating drug offense (FBI, customs, ATF and DEA). State and local government agencies spend another $25 billion, for a total of $40 billion a year. It's estimated to have gone up about 25% but nobody has put out a good comprehensive study on the cost to local law enforcement to prosecute the unjust 'war on drugs'.

Take $40 billion (the entire budget for a city like Baltimores entire school district is about $1.2 billion) and put that to use support young black men and women and see how far it goes. Support them with safe places to live, to go to school, to learn a trade or earn a degree, to make it to adulthood in a sane situation.

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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#57 » by nyczlegacy » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:25 pm

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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#58 » by 8516knicks » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:26 pm

nedleeds wrote:
JXL wrote:This is justice, but things definitely need to change.

Until the administration and the DOJ make sweeping changes to reform the police and "pull out the weeds from the rose garden", there will be no true justice.

Let's hope this is the start of a bigger change.


Derek Chauvin is a deranged murderer and lacks the self control to be a free man, let alone act as a police officer.

BUT ... ending the war on drugs is the best way to reform the police, not only just by freeing up money but also by removing the incentive for many of these situations to occur in the first place.

Ending the war on drugs and focusing on treatment for a lifetime addict like Floyd would be a start. Ain't happening under the dems or the pubs. DEA had almost $4 billion last year of our tax dollars alone. They are asking for another $400 million for 2021 and will get it.

https://www.justice.gov/doj/page/file/1246676/download

1,841,200 drug related arrests.

Let that sink in. ONE POINT EIGHT MILLION.

A 2021 analysis of marijuana-related arrests in 2020 in New York City’s five boroughs reported that 94 percent of those arrested weren't white. There's no law on the books that spells out a discriminatory aspect but who in their right mind can justify this? 3 states over I can open a store.

In 2013 the federal government spent about $15 billion a year investigating drug offense (FBI, customs, ATF and DEA). State and local government agencies spend another $25 billion, for a total of $40 billion a year. It's estimated to have gone up about 25% but nobody has put out a good comprehensive study on the cost to local law enforcement to prosecute the unjust 'war on drugs'.

Take $40 billion (the entire budget for a city like Baltimores entire school district is about $1.2 billion) and put that to use support young black men and women and see how far it goes. Support them with safe places to live, to go to school, to learn a trade or earn a degree, to make it to adulthood in a sane situation.

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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#59 » by 2020 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:44 pm

Oscirus wrote:so whats the minimum amount of time he can get in prison?


It depends on if the judge finds "aggravating circumstances", which in this care are lack of remorse, amount of harm to the victim, and committing the crime in front of a child (there was a 9 year old girl who witnessed it).

If this is granted he can face up to 40, 25, and 10 years respectively for his charges.

Judges are usually lenient on cops but If you look at a case where another Minnesota cop was sentenced to 12.5 years for mistakenly killing a person who called 911, there were no aggravating circumstances. But this case might be different.
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Re: OT: Derek Chauvin Verdict Is In 

Post#60 » by makeitstop » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:45 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Tactically stupid for him not to take the stand. But that's legal and apologies which are not that important. Can't do what he did period.


From all indications, the defense team was a whole new level of bad. The 'carbon monoxide' angle was downright stupid.

And I'm okay with that. Chauvin deserves no less than life in prison.

Slim hope that other cops wake up and start acting right. Very slim.
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