Who gets long term contract?

[TheGreenArrow]

Rose, bullock and taj!!!

I can live wit losing Noel and Burks but we can’t lose Rose,Reggie or taj!!!!

We just can’t!!!!!!

[Handledatruth]

If we don't keep Noel, what would you think of replacing him with some one like Alex Len? Not on the same level of Shot blocker as Noel, but he's still more than adequate. On top of that, he's got the ability to let it fly from 3.

Here's a list of all the projected FA centers this upcoming offseason:

Cody Zeller CHA C 28 8 UFA Bird $14,000,000
Serge Ibaka LAC C 32 11 PO $9,489,450
Robin Lopez WAS C 33 13 UFA Non-Bird $7,300,000
Daniel Theis CHI C 29 4 UFA Bird $5,000,000
Nerlens Noel NYK C 27 8 UFA Non-Bird $5,000,000
Ed Davis MIN C 32 11 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Enes Kanter POR C 29 10 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Richaun Holmes SAC C 27 6 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Frank Kaminsky PHX C 28 6 UFA Non-Bird $4,767,000
JaVale McGee DEN C 33 13 UFA Bird $4,100,000
Willie Cauley-Stein DAL C 28 5 CO $4,100,000
Zach Collins POR C 23 4 RFA Bird $4,083,154
Boban Marjanovic DAL C 33 6 UFA Early Bird $3,500,000
Bismack Biyombo CHA C 29 10 UFA Non-Bird $3,500,000
Dwight Howard PHI C 35 17 UFA Non-Bird $2,564,753
Jarrett Allen CLE C 23 4 RFA Bird $2,508,646
Hassan Whiteside SAC C 32 9 UFA Non-Bird $2,320,044
Luke Kornet BOS C 26 4 UFA Early Bird $2,250,000
Tony Bradley OKC C 23 4 RFA Bird $2,149,715
Willy Hernangomez NOP C 27 5 UFA Non-Bird $1,737,145
Alex Len WAS C 28 8 UFA $1,697,755
Isaiah Hartenstein CLE C 23 2 PO $1,691,680
Harry Giles POR C 23 4 UFA Non-Bird $1,678,854
Mitchell Robinson NYK C 23 2 CO $1,569,671
Gorgui Dieng SAS C 31 8 UFA Non-Bird $1,000,000
Andre Drummond LAL C 28 9 UFA Non-Bird $794,536
Dewayne Dedmon MIA C 32 8 UFA Non-Bird $580,811
DeMarcus Cousins LAC C 31 10 UFA Non-Bird $335,366
Moritz Wagner ORL C 24 3 RFA Non-Bird $221,995
Reggie Perry BKN C 21 1 RFA Non-Bird -
Devontae Cacok LAL C 24 2 RFA Early Bird -
Tacko Fall BOS C 25 2 RFA Early Bird -
Amida Brimah IND C 27 1 RFA Non-Bird -

There's quite a number of quality backup caliber C's that can do one thing or another (block shots, defend the paint, rebound, muscle, shoot, etc., etc.).

Most of them were already under the MLE or will be in the offseason. Honestly I don't see anyone on that list a sure bet MLE or higher guy other than Jarrett Allen and Mitch Robinson. Robinson will be back unless the Knicks don't want him back or trade him but his contract will likely still remain $1.5 million. Jarrett Allen likelyw ill get a healthy contract from the Cavs. That's about it.

Any number of guys would be worth a look assuming that both Mitch (still under contract) and Taj (he's Thibs right hand man) will be back. There is no reason the Knicks need to go nuts to keep Noel. Yes, it would be nice to bring him back but only if it's reasonable. And based on the above list, there are a lot of guys in Noel's category/caliber for the Knicks to need to pay him more than the going rate.

Len could be interesting. I personally think someone like Dwight Howard would be worth a look. He brings the size and strength and shot intimidation the Knicks lack, can score some and is a savvy vet. Only vet minimum this year.

This era of centers is pretty mediocre. Sorry to say...

[moocow007]

If we don't keep Noel, what would you think of replacing him with some one like Alex Len? Not on the same level of Shot blocker as Noel, but he's still more than adequate. On top of that, he's got the ability to let it fly from 3.

Here's a list of all the projected FA centers this upcoming offseason:

Cody Zeller CHA C 28 8 UFA Bird $14,000,000
Serge Ibaka LAC C 32 11 PO $9,489,450
Robin Lopez WAS C 33 13 UFA Non-Bird $7,300,000
Daniel Theis CHI C 29 4 UFA Bird $5,000,000
Nerlens Noel NYK C 27 8 UFA Non-Bird $5,000,000
Ed Davis MIN C 32 11 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Enes Kanter POR C 29 10 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Richaun Holmes SAC C 27 6 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Frank Kaminsky PHX C 28 6 UFA Non-Bird $4,767,000
JaVale McGee DEN C 33 13 UFA Bird $4,100,000
Willie Cauley-Stein DAL C 28 5 CO $4,100,000
Zach Collins POR C 23 4 RFA Bird $4,083,154
Boban Marjanovic DAL C 33 6 UFA Early Bird $3,500,000
Bismack Biyombo CHA C 29 10 UFA Non-Bird $3,500,000
Dwight Howard PHI C 35 17 UFA Non-Bird $2,564,753
Jarrett Allen CLE C 23 4 RFA Bird $2,508,646
Hassan Whiteside SAC C 32 9 UFA Non-Bird $2,320,044
Luke Kornet BOS C 26 4 UFA Early Bird $2,250,000
Tony Bradley OKC C 23 4 RFA Bird $2,149,715
Willy Hernangomez NOP C 27 5 UFA Non-Bird $1,737,145
Alex Len WAS C 28 8 UFA $1,697,755
Isaiah Hartenstein CLE C 23 2 PO $1,691,680
Harry Giles POR C 23 4 UFA Non-Bird $1,678,854
Mitchell Robinson NYK C 23 2 CO $1,569,671
Gorgui Dieng SAS C 31 8 UFA Non-Bird $1,000,000
Andre Drummond LAL C 28 9 UFA Non-Bird $794,536
Dewayne Dedmon MIA C 32 8 UFA Non-Bird $580,811
DeMarcus Cousins LAC C 31 10 UFA Non-Bird $335,366
Moritz Wagner ORL C 24 3 RFA Non-Bird $221,995
Reggie Perry BKN C 21 1 RFA Non-Bird -
Devontae Cacok LAL C 24 2 RFA Early Bird -
Tacko Fall BOS C 25 2 RFA Early Bird -
Amida Brimah IND C 27 1 RFA Non-Bird -

There's quite a number of quality backup caliber C's that can do one thing or another (block shots, defend the paint, rebound, muscle, shoot, etc., etc.).

Most of them were already under the MLE or will be in the offseason. Honestly I don't see anyone on that list a sure bet MLE or higher guy other than Jarrett Allen and Mitch Robinson. Robinson will be back unless the Knicks don't want him back or trade him but his contract will likely still remain $1.5 million. Jarrett Allen likelyw ill get a healthy contract from the Cavs. That's about it.

Any number of guys would be worth a look assuming that both Mitch (still under contract) and Taj (he's Thibs right hand man) will be back. There is no reason the Knicks need to go nuts to keep Noel. Yes, it would be nice to bring him back but only if it's reasonable. And based on the above list, there are a lot of guys in Noel's category/caliber for the Knicks to need to pay him more than the going rate.

Len could be interesting. I personally think someone like Dwight Howard would be worth a look. He brings the size and strength and shot intimidation the Knicks lack, can score some and is a savvy vet. Only vet minimum this year.

This era of centers is pretty mediocre. Sorry to say...

The list? Sure. But Noel is on that list as well. What we mentioned on the NBNF podcast the other night is that if you actually look at all of the top teams (and even most teams) the "big body" center is actually coming back in style. Just look at the teams the Knicks have played down the stretch and who they had at C. Noel has consistently been outweighed by 50-80lbs night in and night out. Teams are using big centers that can alter shots and prevent easy penetration to offset the 3 point craze. You put a big mobile body down low that can limit teams ability to drive to the basket it makes it easier to defend the 3 with your wings. The Knicks don't have that with Noel regardless of how many weak side blocks Noel manages.

[Richard4444]

Also, the Front Office can draft a Center to be an option besides Mitch and Taj, which would make Noel more unnecessary.

They almost drafted a Center last draft (they were supposed interested in Isaiah Stewart and could have kept Oturu).

[Dave DaButcher]

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[Handledatruth]

Here's a list of all the projected FA centers this upcoming offseason:

Cody Zeller CHA C 28 8 UFA Bird $14,000,000
Serge Ibaka LAC C 32 11 PO $9,489,450
Robin Lopez WAS C 33 13 UFA Non-Bird $7,300,000
Daniel Theis CHI C 29 4 UFA Bird $5,000,000
Nerlens Noel NYK C 27 8 UFA Non-Bird $5,000,000
Ed Davis MIN C 32 11 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Enes Kanter POR C 29 10 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Richaun Holmes SAC C 27 6 UFA Early Bird $4,886,175
Frank Kaminsky PHX C 28 6 UFA Non-Bird $4,767,000
JaVale McGee DEN C 33 13 UFA Bird $4,100,000
Willie Cauley-Stein DAL C 28 5 CO $4,100,000
Zach Collins POR C 23 4 RFA Bird $4,083,154
Boban Marjanovic DAL C 33 6 UFA Early Bird $3,500,000
Bismack Biyombo CHA C 29 10 UFA Non-Bird $3,500,000
Dwight Howard PHI C 35 17 UFA Non-Bird $2,564,753
Jarrett Allen CLE C 23 4 RFA Bird $2,508,646
Hassan Whiteside SAC C 32 9 UFA Non-Bird $2,320,044
Luke Kornet BOS C 26 4 UFA Early Bird $2,250,000
Tony Bradley OKC C 23 4 RFA Bird $2,149,715
Willy Hernangomez NOP C 27 5 UFA Non-Bird $1,737,145
Alex Len WAS C 28 8 UFA $1,697,755
Isaiah Hartenstein CLE C 23 2 PO $1,691,680
Harry Giles POR C 23 4 UFA Non-Bird $1,678,854
Mitchell Robinson NYK C 23 2 CO $1,569,671
Gorgui Dieng SAS C 31 8 UFA Non-Bird $1,000,000
Andre Drummond LAL C 28 9 UFA Non-Bird $794,536
Dewayne Dedmon MIA C 32 8 UFA Non-Bird $580,811
DeMarcus Cousins LAC C 31 10 UFA Non-Bird $335,366
Moritz Wagner ORL C 24 3 RFA Non-Bird $221,995
Reggie Perry BKN C 21 1 RFA Non-Bird -
Devontae Cacok LAL C 24 2 RFA Early Bird -
Tacko Fall BOS C 25 2 RFA Early Bird -
Amida Brimah IND C 27 1 RFA Non-Bird -

There's quite a number of quality backup caliber C's that can do one thing or another (block shots, defend the paint, rebound, muscle, shoot, etc., etc.).

Most of them were already under the MLE or will be in the offseason. Honestly I don't see anyone on that list a sure bet MLE or higher guy other than Jarrett Allen and Mitch Robinson. Robinson will be back unless the Knicks don't want him back or trade him but his contract will likely still remain $1.5 million. Jarrett Allen likelyw ill get a healthy contract from the Cavs. That's about it.

Any number of guys would be worth a look assuming that both Mitch (still under contract) and Taj (he's Thibs right hand man) will be back. There is no reason the Knicks need to go nuts to keep Noel. Yes, it would be nice to bring him back but only if it's reasonable. And based on the above list, there are a lot of guys in Noel's category/caliber for the Knicks to need to pay him more than the going rate.

Len could be interesting. I personally think someone like Dwight Howard would be worth a look. He brings the size and strength and shot intimidation the Knicks lack, can score some and is a savvy vet. Only vet minimum this year.

This era of centers is pretty mediocre. Sorry to say...

The list? Sure. But Noel is on that list as well. What we mentioned on the NBNF podcast the other night is that if you actually look at all of the top teams (and even most teams) the "big body" center is actually coming back in style. Just look at the teams the Knicks have played down the stretch and who they had at C. Noel has consistently been outweighed by 50-80lbs night in and night out. Teams are using big centers that can alter shots and prevent easy penetration to offset the 3 point craze. You put a big mobile body down low that can limit teams ability to drive to the basket it makes it easier to defend the 3 with your wings. The Knicks don't have that with Noel regardless of how many weak side blocks Noel manages.

Oh I agree. Just a general comment about how underwhelming that Center list is and just big man play overall. Luc Longley would eat in today’s NBA

[Spree2Houston]

We have 2 incoming draft picks that will need playing time. They’re probably going to replace 2 of Burks, Bullock and Noel.

[frothbrain]

We have 2 incoming draft picks that will need playing time. They’re probably going to replace 2 of Burks, Bullock and Noel.

LOL

Did you forget who coaches this team?

[TBri1974]

I think Bullocks, Noel, Rose and Taj come back - but totally possible some team overpays for Noel and we lose him. I could also see us dropping Bassey or Jackson if they fall with the Detroit pick (or earlier). Bottom line is we need to keep each of these contracts under 10 mil, so if someone outbids us, we should let them walk. It helps us that the draft comes before free agency. I think Burks has been amazing and the team would prefer to keep him, but between him and the players above - obviously Taj will be relatively inexpensive - I think they keep Rose, Bullocks and Noel.

[Synciere]

Don’t we have to see who we draft first?

[Montmorencie]

Don’t we have to see who we draft first?

Usually yes, but we are talking about mid or late 20 picks. There will be no hype or expectations for these players, they might be gems but no one would know until we start playing. Hence, we gonna have to give contracts before. Sucks but the price of being a playoff team.

[TBri1974]

Free agency comes after the draft, so who we sign will partially depend on whom we draft.

I also expect us to trade Knox to open up a roster spot. Shame we couldn't grab Bamba when he was under performing, he's looking great now.

[evevale]

Just don't resign Elf. My only request is I never have to suffer watching the worst player in the NBA on a game to game basis. It just isn't fair - we have f*cking suffered enough.

[seren]

So apparently Randle made an extra 1.8 million for himself for making the all star team and playoffs. Possibly another million if he makes all NBA. This would increase his contract for next year and also boost his possible extension. I calculate it to around 4/120 million. Still below max but could be more enticing.

[Reign23]

Bullocks and Rose are the guys I want to keep (add Taj as a vet min guy)

Noel and Burks are probably priced out

Payton can GTFO

/thread

[movingon]

Assuming we don't strike gold in the offseason trade / free agent market, I'm doing the following.

Generous (<20M) one year deals to Rose and Bullock to compensate for not taking a longer deal.
Pick up the team options on Randle and Mitch. Bring back Taj on the vets min.

15 man lineup:
DR / RB / RJ / JR / MR
LV / IQ / Pick / OT / TG
Pick / FN / KN / PIck / NP

Rose starts, but limit his minutes using Vildoza, IQ, and draft pick
Vildoza, Pelle or Taj can always be cut if we need a slot.

If I understand how the salary cap works correctly (big if), in the 2022 offseason, we have a max slot (e.g. Beal), and then can go over the cap to resign Julius, Mitch and Reggie (if we want). We have birds rights on all 3.
If we want Rose back, he can be had for the mid-level.

Elf, Noel and Burks walk in the off-season.
Elf: No comment
Noel: Was great for us, but has no upside. Has nearly no offensive game. He also gets push around, whereas Mitch is filling out. We won't miss him if we draft a nice center prospect.
Burks: Talented scorer, but never really established much chemistry with the rest of the team. He's been great, but if we pick up a scorer to pair with RJ and Julius we won't miss him.

[TBri1974]

I wonder if Burks just priced himself out of a return... Man he played great.

[El Poochio]

Burks and Bullock have been pretty moneyball signings, all their value goes if you overpay though

[Spree2Houston]

Randle making one of the All-NBA teams will qualify him for the super max ( 35million+ per year). Keep that in mind when you’re trying to resign some of these guys

[seren]

Randle making one of the All-NBA teams will qualify him for the super max ( 35million+ per year). Keep that in mind when you’re trying to resign some of these guys

Can he sign that this summer or in seasonn? I suppose not, right?