cgf wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:robillionaire wrote:
numbers don’t matter when they don’t suit the agenda, 10-4
Why are we doing this. We have 2 solid defensive Cs and the backup stepped up while the starter was hurt. I think your point illustrates that if we have an option to improve our team dramatically, that we've shown that we could get by without Mitch but I wouldn't use it to say that Mitch is responsible for the record entirely. I mean RJ shot horrible the first half, we were experimenting with playing Frznk and Knox at the time. Not to mention the chemistry just came together as the season went on. It happens sometimes. Also Mitch himself was being somewhat limited trying to be attentive to his foul totals, testing new skills. If you have a chance to get Mitch on the court you do it.
But, but but again, the reason why your point is important is this. The reason why Noel's emergence is so important isn't that it proves Mitch isn't as good as we all thought. But when you want something you gotta give up something. And knowing you have Noel and Taj as that ace in your hand might allow you to feel better about having to part with him IF a star becomes available at another position perhaps. Or maybe it means Noel might be desirable in a sign and trade but point is.....we have two starting caliber defensive Cs. That's should be considered a good problem to have that opens up some possibilities. Doesn't mean you have to put either on the trade block but if something presents itself you'll listen.
Focusing on our record before we added Rose, allows buddy to minimize Mitch's impact, despite Mitch having clearly been the better of the two...on both ends...when he was healthy. Same way he quotes Thibs about how Nerlens has stepped up, but ignores what Thibs had to say about Mitch anchoring us when he was still healthy.
Robillionaire in this thread is demonstrating how facts can be used in a misleading way to support obviously wrong conclusions.
I didn't read the whole chain but both of you make solid points. I hear what you're saying but I wouldn't totally disregard his point cuz you can use that data. But yeah, I totally forgot about Rose not being here either. That was huge. Probably the second biggest impact after Julius. I mean RJ improved too but in terms of that jolt to the team Rose saved our season so I agree, its a bit disingenuous to simply point to the record with Mitch
.......but that don't mean I won't use the hell out of it in negotiations. People gotta remember Mitch wants to get paid. People gotta remember we wanna increase our talent and come back next yr better than this one. Hell, there's an argument to be made tthat had the season gone on another 10 games we might've dropped to 6-8th. And I'm not trying to make idiotic short sighted trades. Anybody who's heard me knows I love that top players under 25 list. But don't get too attached to players either where you become unreasonable and won't even listen. We're all amateur GMs, well real GMs are always listening, always open.