ImageImageImageImageImage

How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us?

Moderators: King of Canada, Thugger HBC, NoLayupRule, Jeff Van Gully, Deeeez Knicks, GONYK, Capn'O, mpharris36, mrpoetryNmotion, j4remi, K-DOT

KnixinSix
Pro Prospect
Posts: 936
And1: 382
Joined: Jul 27, 2013

How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#1 » by KnixinSix » Sat Jun 5, 2021 11:52 pm

Just trying to figure out in this draft if we packaged both our top first round picks , how high could we realistically get to in the 1st round?
For I am unashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last. -Romans 1:16-17
User avatar
Marty McFly
RealGM
Posts: 24,374
And1: 6,788
Joined: Sep 15, 2009
     

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#2 » by Marty McFly » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:00 am

19 and 21? Bottom lottery.
User avatar
K-DOT
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 16,523
And1: 26,610
Joined: Nov 25, 2016
Location: Dante's Purgatory, 2nd Terrace
       

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#3 » by K-DOT » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:06 am

For reference, in 2017, Portland traded 15 and 20 for 10

We have 19 and 21. So like, maybe 12 or 13 if we get lucky.
BAF Lakers:

Darius Garland/Tre Jones
Killian Hayes/Avery Bradley
Keldon Johnson/Cam Johnson
Saddiq Bey/Darius Bazley
Onyeka Okongwu/Bol Bol

Check out our podcast, No Blood No Foul!:

Image
User avatar
robillionaire
RealGM
Posts: 20,087
And1: 23,525
Joined: Jul 12, 2015
Location: Asheville
         

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#4 » by robillionaire » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:08 am

I was gonna say 12-14 maybe

But the more important question is..... why? Who do you want in that range so bad that’s worth two picks
User avatar
Nostrand Ave
Pro Prospect
Posts: 932
And1: 252
Joined: Nov 23, 2012

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#5 » by Nostrand Ave » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:24 am

robillionaire wrote:I was gonna say 12-14 maybe

But the more important question is..... why? Who do you want in that range so bad that’s worth two picks


A decent PG.
Adelheid
Head Coach
Posts: 6,258
And1: 3,070
Joined: Jul 10, 2014
 

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#6 » by Adelheid » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:30 am

I woudnt mind consolidating 2 lower picks to get 1 higher pick. No point having too many young guys on a franchise that coudnt develop for ****
User avatar
RHODEY
RealGM
Posts: 12,827
And1: 7,926
Joined: May 18, 2007
Location: Straight out of a comic book

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#7 » by RHODEY » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:36 am

robillionaire wrote:I was gonna say 12-14 maybe

But the more important question is..... why? Who do you want in that range so bad that’s worth two picks


To be in range for James Bouknight and/or Josh Giddey.
duetta
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 26,121
And1: 4,935
Joined: Aug 28, 2002
Location: Patrolling the middle....

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#8 » by duetta » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:39 am

How about 19, 21, and 32?

The interesting question is what Obi's value is. Does he still have the value of the 8th pick? If we include him, how high can we go? Can we get our potential franchise player?
User avatar
Marty McFly
RealGM
Posts: 24,374
And1: 6,788
Joined: Sep 15, 2009
     

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#9 » by Marty McFly » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:50 am

Adelheid wrote:I woudnt mind consolidating 2 lower picks to get 1 higher pick. No point having too many young guys on a franchise that coudnt develop for ****


while I agree with your sentiment regarding development, I'd rather have 2 chances at landing an impact player over 1. if the knicks are gonna package to move up in the draft, they might as well do everything possible to trade for the first pick.
User avatar
robillionaire
RealGM
Posts: 20,087
And1: 23,525
Joined: Jul 12, 2015
Location: Asheville
         

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#10 » by robillionaire » Sun Jun 6, 2021 1:45 am

Nostrand Ave wrote:
robillionaire wrote:I was gonna say 12-14 maybe

But the more important question is..... why? Who do you want in that range so bad that’s worth two picks


A decent PG.


well there isn't any, sorry
Oscirus
General Manager
Posts: 9,894
And1: 6,237
Joined: Dec 09, 2011
       

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#11 » by Oscirus » Sun Jun 6, 2021 1:47 am

15 if we're lucky but more than likely 17
Oscirus
General Manager
Posts: 9,894
And1: 6,237
Joined: Dec 09, 2011
       

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#12 » by Oscirus » Sun Jun 6, 2021 1:48 am

duetta wrote:How about 19, 21, and 32?

The interesting question is what Obi's value is. Does he still have the value of the 8th pick? If we include him, how high can we go? Can we get our potential franchise player?

This front office aint including him since thats their draft pick so wasted question
nykinoz
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 14,708
And1: 683
Joined: Jun 19, 2001
Location: Australia
     

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#13 » by nykinoz » Sun Jun 6, 2021 1:50 am

robillionaire wrote:I was gonna say 12-14 maybe

But the more important question is..... why? Who do you want in that range so bad that’s worth two picks


Josh Giddey for mine
Knicks fan since 1991
User avatar
robillionaire
RealGM
Posts: 20,087
And1: 23,525
Joined: Jul 12, 2015
Location: Asheville
         

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#14 » by robillionaire » Sun Jun 6, 2021 1:56 am

nykinoz wrote:
robillionaire wrote:I was gonna say 12-14 maybe

But the more important question is..... why? Who do you want in that range so bad that’s worth two picks


Josh Giddey for mine


I like giddey, but don't think he is worth trading up for imo. would rather just take our two swings at 19 and 21. giddey is intriguing but he isn't nearly a sure thing imo
User avatar
Marty McFly
RealGM
Posts: 24,374
And1: 6,788
Joined: Sep 15, 2009
     

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#16 » by Marty McFly » Sun Jun 6, 2021 3:06 am


damn, that's actually pretty interesting and useful. I'd be curious to know the value of future picks within this context.
NYKat
General Manager
Posts: 9,495
And1: 2,870
Joined: Sep 30, 2009

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#17 » by NYKat » Sun Jun 6, 2021 3:12 am

I read the Knicks are most likely packaging all our picks and moving up cause Thibs doesn’t want a lot of youngins on the roster.

Not sure how I feel about that, we seem to hit better later in the draft than earlier.
seren
RealGM
Posts: 23,166
And1: 3,106
Joined: Jul 21, 2002

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#18 » by seren » Sun Jun 6, 2021 2:17 pm

This is not football. It all depends on what GMs want at a given draft. I personally think it is better to get multiple players unless you can go all the way up to players with all NBA potential.
KnixinSix
Pro Prospect
Posts: 936
And1: 382
Joined: Jul 27, 2013

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#19 » by KnixinSix » Sun Jun 6, 2021 2:21 pm

Oscirus wrote:15 if we're lucky but more than likely 17


19 and 21 to move down JUST 2 spots?

No it will likely be better than that.

15 at minumum I would say. Keep in mind a team making the trade will have 2 guys they think will be pretty good in that range. Max i am not sure but probably no better than 12 some have suggested.
For I am unashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last. -Romans 1:16-17
User avatar
spree8
RealGM
Posts: 11,582
And1: 3,849
Joined: Jun 05, 2001
     

Re: How high up in the draft would both FRPs get us? 

Post#20 » by spree8 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 2:22 pm

K-DOT wrote:For reference, in 2017, Portland traded 15 and 20 for 10

We have 19 and 21. So like, maybe 12 or 13 if we get lucky.



In 2010, OKC got the 11th pick for the 21st n 26th.

Guess it depends on the draft, the talent available, and the team making the trade.
GMAT Knicks 2020

Luka Dončić
Jamal Murray
RJ Barrett
Danilo Gallinari
Joel Embiid

GMAT Grizz 2021

Trae Young
Danny Green
Jayson Tatum
Kelly Olynyk
Bam Adebayo

Image

Return to New York Knicks