HarthorneWingo wrote:moocow007 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:im not seeing the tyler bey and knox comparison. Tyler Bey plays with a high motor and loves defense
The point is that Tyler Bey really didn't look all that good in the NBA last season and he's been dumped by 2 teams since (Dallas and Houston). If he was what you indicated he would have neither looked bad (granted in limited play) nor been discarded (what you can argue Knox has looked and would have been done had he not been a lottery pick with a lottery pick sized guaranteed contract).
Not every college player translates to the NBA. I had mentioned even before the draft that you can't just look at his 3 point numbers in college and start saying he's a shooter. He has a slow release...which is a killer when trying to translate shooting to the NBA. Also he may have average NBA athleticism it's not elite for a wing...which will then impact on how much of a defender he can be in the NBA.
But more importantly, I got the sense that folks that were getting real excited was thinking about the other Bey. Saddiq Bey. Now he's a guy that is intense and can shoot and has actually shown he can play in the NBA. Saddiq Bey has the earmarks of a NY type of player...a tough, physical wing/forward that can contribute immediately if you were able to add him to this team.
Tyler Bey? I don't know that I would swap any of the current players on the Knicks roster for him (even just from a roster spot standpoint). Not Quentin Grimes (who I'm not a huge fan of), not Jericho Sims, certainly not Deuce McBride. Honestly I'm not even sure that swapping him out for Knox will do much of anything and Knox is probably the guy that's least valued on the roster all things factored in.
He's unbelievable in this highlights clip.
Bey did shoot 77% from the FT line on 27/35 in the G League. I guess he was hurt for a good part of the season because he only played in 18 games for the Mavs and a total of 13 games in the G-League. Did he get the virus?
Gun to my head, I think I'd try and see if Knox has improved. Maybe I'd trade him in a deadline deal.
I can speak to this a bit because I was a huge fan of Bey before the draft and I can agree Knox and Bey have nothing on common except that up until now they haven't worked out.
Knox is a skilled player. I wouldn't blame anyone for not seeing it but it's probably because his motor is so low that it bleeds into the use of his skill. But you take Knox for instance and put him in any practice like situation or skill drill and he'll probably destroy Bey. This isn't an endorsement of Knox, in fact it pisses me off. Total waste of talent. It's like watching Tim Thomas-lite and I say lite cuz Thomas was way more productive but for his skill could've been so much more.
Bey if anything reminds me of Renaldo Balkman. That video you shared is what intrigued me too. However let's not forget that he was playing a combination of C and PF in college. And at that level his lack of size and wiry frame wasn't a hindrance to him, in fact that speed was a positive. But what did we see Wingo? We saw a guy who could tussle with a big, then slide over and cover a wing and even guard PGs. Dude was all over the place, aggressive on the boards.
But even being generous let's face it his skillset and ceiling was always gonna be more of a high energy, defensive specialist who can cover up to 4 positions but offensively was more of a 5/4. I wouldn't even say he was an assisted stretch 4 because of his low 3pt attempt rate. So that's why I say Renaldo Balkman and hey, I liked Balkman and can find value in that. But in today's NBA it's become so hard to carry guys who don't score. I thought that limited him from being a starter but maybe energy guy off the bench and based on where I was looking to draft him that's fine to me. But I guess the teams he's been on so far don't see it that way. Doesn't mean it's over for him but he'd be wise to develop at least one offensive skill (preferably shooting) or he's always gonna be fighting for the last 2 spots on a roster
