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Re: Around the NBA part 2 - Save Melo from Brodie 

Post#981 » by Guano » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:02 am

Bron still the king. Getting fans kicked out, hitting clutch shots, and grabbing his nuts. He still got it in year 19.
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Post#982 » by mpharris36 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:03 am

Angryfatboy wrote:That’s 5 in a row for the wolves (if they continue to play the defense they play) they should be a playin team at the very least


Jared Vanderbilt moving into the starting lineup has been an awesome move for them.
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Post#983 » by Buttah304 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:04 am

Josh Giddey is only the 3rd teenager to grab 100 rebounds and dish out 100 assists in his first 20 games with LeBron and LaMelo being the others.
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Post#984 » by Guano » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:11 am

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Angryfatboy wrote:That’s 5 in a row for the wolves (if they continue to play the defense they play) they should be a playin team at the very least


Jared Vanderbilt moving into the starting lineup has been an awesome move for them.


Yeah they needed that rebounding. Seems like everyone is growing more comfortable with there roles now & there defense is picking back up to where it was to start the season
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Post#986 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:22 am

Rockets over the Bulls tonight. At least we beat we them. You never know.
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Post#987 » by WajaBawl » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:25 am

HEZI wrote:Edwards was the one guy I would have looked to trade up for


He's literally built for NY. Got all the confidence in the world but the talent to actually back it up.
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Post#988 » by robillionaire » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:48 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Rockets over the Bulls tonight. At least we beat we them. You never know.


And the fraudulent Wizards got blown out by 25 by the pelicans
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Angryfatboy wrote:That’s 5 in a row for the wolves (if they continue to play the defense they play) they should be a playin team at the very least


Jared Vanderbilt moving into the starting lineup has been an awesome move for them.


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Buttah304 wrote:Josh Giddey is only the 3rd teenager to grab 100 rebounds and dish out 100 assists in his first 20 games with LeBron and LaMelo being the others.


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Post#991 » by aggo » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:54 am

the last 2 seasons we've seen more nba players get fans kicked out than probably the last 10 years combined.

this is gonna be the new norm. would not shock me at all if we soon see an environment where a player asks for a fan to get removed every game.
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Post#992 » by HEZI » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:42 pm

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Post#993 » by Richard4444 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:29 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:No in all seriousness I do think he can potentially be part of a winning club, but I also think he makes it very difficult for a team to win.

You make some excellent points, especially about his drives to the basket. He does primarily hunt shots that are efficient, and he seems to be a good finisher at the rim for a guard. Here's my case.

I don't think he's a "great" player. He's not good enough to be a high-usage player on a winning team in my opinion.

The Kings have had decent role players the last couple of years. Barnes is an excellent role player - versatile defender, 40% 3-point shooter. They have had shooters in Hield and Bogie. I'm not saying their roster is the 1986 Celtics, but their biggest problem is that Fox isn't impactful as a first or second option in my opinion, be it as a shot creator or playmaker. He does not impact the game positively in that role.

So, say he's your 3rd option, does his .319 career 3-point shooting help your team, or hurt your team? Wouldn't a less aggressive, but better shooting point guard make more sense in that configuration? Take FVV for instance.

I've always been a huge fan of Lavine. I always believed his losing was more the product of circumstances than his own shortcomings. And I had no doubt that Booker could contribute to winning and thrive in a lesser role, I just didn't think he could carry a team like a superstar.

I view Fox's ceiling as a Randle type of talent. Talented, physical, aggressive, but largely inefficient, and a basketball IQ that is inconsistent at best. I'm just not a huge fan. His biggest advantage is his speed, and his athleticism shines in transition, but it doesn't translate in the halfcourt as well it does for Lavine, Morant or young Dame imo.

On a winning team, Fox is probably a 14-3-4 guy, assuming his jumpshot is not too big of a problem in a lesser role.

Would Fox make us better? Probably. But not by much.

PS: Walton was horrible as a HC. Hopefully the Kings can hire a good coach now, and we can see Fox under a proper game manager.


I think the efficiency is what would scare me the most about a Randle and Fox pairing. It’s not that difficult to envision them both going 7-18 from the field on more nights than we would like to see. You also make a fair point that’s Fox hasn’t exactly played with the All NBA Scrub team. Guys like Harrison Barnes-Hield-Bogdonovic-Holmes are all super high end role players. At the same time he’s also never played next to someone that an opposing team has to actively game-plan for.

What I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt on is that regardless of who he played with, The Kings have never actually had an identity. His last coach was the laughable Luke Walton who should be banished from the league with how utterly inept and clueless he is.

At the end of the day, you can have top end talent, or you can be a team with depth lacking a key component or two but unless you have a legitimate coaching staff you are most likely going nowhere. There is something to be said about creating an identity for a team, or a structure if you will where everyone buys in and not only knows their role but excels at it.

Indiana is a prime example of a team that should be good on paper. You have Brogdon (whom this board absolutely loves), Sabonis (all star material), Turner (leagues best shot blocker who can hit the 3) and LaVert who warts and all can get buckets. Even Duarte has shown some flashes and Holiday is a nice bench player. But they are 8-11 and Carlisle is grasping for straws.

Point is, I just wonder if a guy like Thibs could bring the most out of a 23 year old guard who not only has shown he can score 25 a night, but he’s in that mold of a Thibs North South attacking/drive and kick PG who was recently Top 5 in drives per game. Not only would you hope (hate using that word) that he brings out the best in the skillset that Fox knows he possesses but also the ones that he might not know he has.

What I struggle with the most is this teams vision. What exactly are we doing? We signed Randle a year early after the ATL debacle. We keep going after carbon copies of players and doubling up on 6th-8th men thinking if your 10 deep that you’ll find miraculous success similar to the Tampa Bay Rays never ending bullpen depth. We put Payton in the way of IQs development and now we have done the same with Kemba. Obi can only crack 20min if 50% of our bigs are MIA. Grimes and Deuce are never going to play and all of our Future 1sts will find the same fate.

I only bring up Fox because who exactly are we targeting? The last few days we’ve been going back and forth about Fournier being movable (LOL) so who is this blockbuster acquisition? Lillard-Fox-KAT? Pipe dreams of SGA and DeJounte Murray?

As usual I’m completely lost as to where this never ending carousel of front office ponies are actually going.

I feel you.

As always, this franchise values quantity over quality.

The most optimistic believe the Knicks are keeping assets and just managing the cap in order to prepare for a big trade that will catapult the Knicks into contention - or move them closer to it. It's a reasonable take.

The problem is, I personally don't see any franchise player hitting the market for the foreseeable future. Hence my position that we should tank. Dame is the closest thing to a superstar and he will be 32 by the start of next season - he's never sniffed the Finals anyway. Where does Dame X Randle lead you exactly? But at least I'd respect that they went all in.

My other problem with this trade theory is that the Knicks' assets can depreciate in value to the point where they're not assets anymore. I'm referring specifically to Mitch and RJ. I'm more optimistic about IQ and Obi, but it could happen to them too. RJ might not be an asset a year from now when he's eligible for an extension.

One player the Knicks should keep two eyes on is Zion. He might be the one. I think he clearly wants out, their POBO is completely incompetent, and we have RJ. If Leon finds a way to orchestrate a move for Zion, I'll be impressed. He's a mess right now, but he's one of the few players with championship upside.


That's a terrible take. We can not all in for the sake of all in. In the current scenario, we need a wait-and-see approach. Especially because there are not great names in the market. We have to build a good reputation for the franchise in this meantime.

The problem is not getting Lillard. It's his price tag. It does not make much sense to Portland to get rid of Lillard. They are a medium market. Not a FA destination. I don't think they are ready to start tanking. They will not facilitate a trade if Lillard asks for it. And every playoff team will make a bid. His price tag would be astronomical. We would start to rebuild a team around a 32-year-old player with limited picks and cap space. It's a really risky path.

Zion is a pipe dream. Pelicans is the smaller market in the NBA. They will not waste the opportunity to lock a superstar for 5 years. Moreover, if they do trade him, they should know something is very wrong with his body. There is asymmetric information. They know more than us about Zion's condition/behavior. We all know about these "too good to be true" deals like KP, Kemba, etc.
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Re: Around the NBA part 2 - Save Melo from Brodie 

Post#994 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:11 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:
Buttah304 wrote:
I think the efficiency is what would scare me the most about a Randle and Fox pairing. It’s not that difficult to envision them both going 7-18 from the field on more nights than we would like to see. You also make a fair point that’s Fox hasn’t exactly played with the All NBA Scrub team. Guys like Harrison Barnes-Hield-Bogdonovic-Holmes are all super high end role players. At the same time he’s also never played next to someone that an opposing team has to actively game-plan for.

What I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt on is that regardless of who he played with, The Kings have never actually had an identity. His last coach was the laughable Luke Walton who should be banished from the league with how utterly inept and clueless he is.

At the end of the day, you can have top end talent, or you can be a team with depth lacking a key component or two but unless you have a legitimate coaching staff you are most likely going nowhere. There is something to be said about creating an identity for a team, or a structure if you will where everyone buys in and not only knows their role but excels at it.

Indiana is a prime example of a team that should be good on paper. You have Brogdon (whom this board absolutely loves), Sabonis (all star material), Turner (leagues best shot blocker who can hit the 3) and LaVert who warts and all can get buckets. Even Duarte has shown some flashes and Holiday is a nice bench player. But they are 8-11 and Carlisle is grasping for straws.

Point is, I just wonder if a guy like Thibs could bring the most out of a 23 year old guard who not only has shown he can score 25 a night, but he’s in that mold of a Thibs North South attacking/drive and kick PG who was recently Top 5 in drives per game. Not only would you hope (hate using that word) that he brings out the best in the skillset that Fox knows he possesses but also the ones that he might not know he has.

What I struggle with the most is this teams vision. What exactly are we doing? We signed Randle a year early after the ATL debacle. We keep going after carbon copies of players and doubling up on 6th-8th men thinking if your 10 deep that you’ll find miraculous success similar to the Tampa Bay Rays never ending bullpen depth. We put Payton in the way of IQs development and now we have done the same with Kemba. Obi can only crack 20min if 50% of our bigs are MIA. Grimes and Deuce are never going to play and all of our Future 1sts will find the same fate.

I only bring up Fox because who exactly are we targeting? The last few days we’ve been going back and forth about Fournier being movable (LOL) so who is this blockbuster acquisition? Lillard-Fox-KAT? Pipe dreams of SGA and DeJounte Murray?

As usual I’m completely lost as to where this never ending carousel of front office ponies are actually going.

I feel you.

As always, this franchise values quantity over quality.

The most optimistic believe the Knicks are keeping assets and just managing the cap in order to prepare for a big trade that will catapult the Knicks into contention - or move them closer to it. It's a reasonable take.

The problem is, I personally don't see any franchise player hitting the market for the foreseeable future. Hence my position that we should tank. Dame is the closest thing to a superstar and he will be 32 by the start of next season - he's never sniffed the Finals anyway. Where does Dame X Randle lead you exactly? But at least I'd respect that they went all in.

My other problem with this trade theory is that the Knicks' assets can depreciate in value to the point where they're not assets anymore. I'm referring specifically to Mitch and RJ. I'm more optimistic about IQ and Obi, but it could happen to them too. RJ might not be an asset a year from now when he's eligible for an extension.

One player the Knicks should keep two eyes on is Zion. He might be the one. I think he clearly wants out, their POBO is completely incompetent, and we have RJ. If Leon finds a way to orchestrate a move for Zion, I'll be impressed. He's a mess right now, but he's one of the few players with championship upside.


That's a terrible take. We can not all in for the sake of all in. In the current scenario, we need a wait-and-see approach. Especially because there are not great names in the market. We have to build a good reputation for the franchise in this meantime.

The problem is not getting Lillard. It's his price tag. It does not make much sense to Portland to get rid of Lillard. They are a medium market. Not a FA destination. I don't think they are ready to start tanking. They will not facilitate a trade if Lillard asks for it. And every playoff team will make a bid. His price tag would be astronomical. We would start to rebuild a team around a 32-year-old player with limited picks and cap space. It's a really risky path.

Zion is a pipe dream. Pelicans is the smaller market in the NBA. They will not waste the opportunity to lock a superstar for 5 years. Moreover, if they do trade him, they should know something is very wrong with his body. There is asymmetric information. They know more than us about Zion's condition/behavior. We all know about these "too good to be true" deals like KP, Kemba, etc.

I literally never said we should go all in for the sake of going all in, matter of fact I implicitly stated that the Knicks shouldn't go all in for Lillard...
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Post#995 » by Guano » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:33 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:I feel you.

As always, this franchise values quantity over quality.

The most optimistic believe the Knicks are keeping assets and just managing the cap in order to prepare for a big trade that will catapult the Knicks into contention - or move them closer to it. It's a reasonable take.

The problem is, I personally don't see any franchise player hitting the market for the foreseeable future. Hence my position that we should tank. Dame is the closest thing to a superstar and he will be 32 by the start of next season - he's never sniffed the Finals anyway. Where does Dame X Randle lead you exactly? But at least I'd respect that they went all in.

My other problem with this trade theory is that the Knicks' assets can depreciate in value to the point where they're not assets anymore. I'm referring specifically to Mitch and RJ. I'm more optimistic about IQ and Obi, but it could happen to them too. RJ might not be an asset a year from now when he's eligible for an extension.

One player the Knicks should keep two eyes on is Zion. He might be the one. I think he clearly wants out, their POBO is completely incompetent, and we have RJ. If Leon finds a way to orchestrate a move for Zion, I'll be impressed. He's a mess right now, but he's one of the few players with championship upside.


That's a terrible take. We can not all in for the sake of all in. In the current scenario, we need a wait-and-see approach. Especially because there are not great names in the market. We have to build a good reputation for the franchise in this meantime.

The problem is not getting Lillard. It's his price tag. It does not make much sense to Portland to get rid of Lillard. They are a medium market. Not a FA destination. I don't think they are ready to start tanking. They will not facilitate a trade if Lillard asks for it. And every playoff team will make a bid. His price tag would be astronomical. We would start to rebuild a team around a 32-year-old player with limited picks and cap space. It's a really risky path.

Zion is a pipe dream. Pelicans is the smaller market in the NBA. They will not waste the opportunity to lock a superstar for 5 years. Moreover, if they do trade him, they should know something is very wrong with his body. There is asymmetric information. They know more than us about Zion's condition/behavior. We all know about these "too good to be true" deals like KP, Kemba, etc.

I literally never said we should go all in for the sake of going all in, matter of fact I implicitly stated that the Knicks shouldn't go all in for Lillard...


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Post#996 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:47 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
That's a terrible take. We can not all in for the sake of all in. In the current scenario, we need a wait-and-see approach. Especially because there are not great names in the market. We have to build a good reputation for the franchise in this meantime.

The problem is not getting Lillard. It's his price tag. It does not make much sense to Portland to get rid of Lillard. They are a medium market. Not a FA destination. I don't think they are ready to start tanking. They will not facilitate a trade if Lillard asks for it. And every playoff team will make a bid. His price tag would be astronomical. We would start to rebuild a team around a 32-year-old player with limited picks and cap space. It's a really risky path.

Zion is a pipe dream. Pelicans is the smaller market in the NBA. They will not waste the opportunity to lock a superstar for 5 years. Moreover, if they do trade him, they should know something is very wrong with his body. There is asymmetric information. They know more than us about Zion's condition/behavior. We all know about these "too good to be true" deals like KP, Kemba, etc.

I literally never said we should go all in for the sake of going all in, matter of fact I implicitly stated that the Knicks shouldn't go all in for Lillard...


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Shut up Andre :lol:

Just because I say I respect it doesn't mean I'd do it.

I respect Pop for having the guts to pull Duncan for the last possession of a decisive Finals game. I wouldn't do it.

I respect Nas for releasing an album called God's Son. I wouldn't do it.

I respect people who spend 300$ on basketball jerseys. I wouldn't do it. Wait, no I would definitely do it. I have done it.
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Post#997 » by Guano » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:51 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
Guano wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:I literally never said we should go all in for the sake of going all in, matter of fact I implicitly stated that the Knicks shouldn't go all in for Lillard...


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Shut up Andre :lol:

Just because I say I respect it doesn't mean I'd do it.

I respect Pop for having the guts to pull Duncan for the last possession of a decisive Finals game. I wouldn't do it.

I respect Nas for releasing an album called God's Son. I wouldn't do it.

I respect people who spend 300$ on basketball jerseys. I wouldn't do it. Wait, no I would definitely do it. I have done it.


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Post#998 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:16 pm

Guano wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
Guano wrote:
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Shut up Andre :lol:

Just because I say I respect it doesn't mean I'd do it.

I respect Pop for having the guts to pull Duncan for the last possession of a decisive Finals game. I wouldn't do it.

I respect Nas for releasing an album called God's Son. I wouldn't do it.

I respect people who spend 300$ on basketball jerseys. I wouldn't do it. Wait, no I would definitely do it. I have done it.


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I respect it. hope the turkey or whatever is on the plate is perfect today, homie

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Post#999 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:29 pm

Guano wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
That's a terrible take. We can not all in for the sake of all in. In the current scenario, we need a wait-and-see approach. Especially because there are not great names in the market. We have to build a good reputation for the franchise in this meantime.

The problem is not getting Lillard. It's his price tag. It does not make much sense to Portland to get rid of Lillard. They are a medium market. Not a FA destination. I don't think they are ready to start tanking. They will not facilitate a trade if Lillard asks for it. And every playoff team will make a bid. His price tag would be astronomical. We would start to rebuild a team around a 32-year-old player with limited picks and cap space. It's a really risky path.

Zion is a pipe dream. Pelicans is the smaller market in the NBA. They will not waste the opportunity to lock a superstar for 5 years. Moreover, if they do trade him, they should know something is very wrong with his body. There is asymmetric information. They know more than us about Zion's condition/behavior. We all know about these "too good to be true" deals like KP, Kemba, etc.

I literally never said we should go all in for the sake of going all in, matter of fact I implicitly stated that the Knicks shouldn't go all in for Lillard...


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