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Clyde_Style wrote:The poll numbers say a lot BTW
I didn’t expect a two-thirds consensus, but there you have it
NYKat wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:The poll numbers say a lot BTW
I didn’t expect a two-thirds consensus, but there you have it
It’s ridiculous, and just shows how reactionary everybody is around here
the guy drops 31 and 12 in a win and not even a full week later he is fraud that fans are exploring trade packages for…
Can’t make it up
Capn'O wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:Capn'O wrote:
That take is spot on to me. JR is guarding his turf. We need them both cooking to have any chance. I'd like to see a players only meeting happen. They're not playing in concert.
Berman wrote it so......
Yall love gossip. Still stuck in 2009. Either the Knicks are good or they aren't good. Boring, I know but everything else is just bull rumors. Berman has no idea what these guys feel about eachother and neither do we.
Berman has nothing to do with what I said, nor do feelings. This is an observation that 2010 made and I agree with. The starting lineup is not playing in concert right now. It's my turn, your turn and the players aren't good enough for that. To make no mention of defense.
Clyde_Style wrote:F N 11 wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Do we know what his contractual bonuses are?
Because if that is true, it definitely matches up with the way he is playing. I’ve seen him fight teammates for boards this season and its disgusting
I’m sad, I forgot he has a trade kicker.
Ugh, 15%, Sorry Dolan, pay up
Those incentives are big so seems he is tanking on the defensive end to focus on gobbling up boards and jack shots. Sigh
This is the truth: He did NOT give NY a discount. He was lucky he got as much as he did based on how atrocious he was vs. ATL. The FO probably thought the incentives were a clever motivator, but it is backfiring and he is just whoring for stats. It takes way more intensity and energy to win defensive honors than it does to ballhog for stats
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BugginOut wrote:This thread is going to look so stupid in a month, like every other reactionary thread this board makes
We got an allstar/all-NBA who is a guaranteed 20/10/5 every night on a below market contract.
Say what you want about Randle, but he is head and shoulders the best player on a winning team. If you want him to defer more get a player better than him. Every other player on this team, except Rose, looks scared to take a shot. Randle can’t force Kemba and Fournier to generate offense
3toheadmelo wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:
I hate when people do that though.
Attribute claims made by different people to the same imaginary person, just to make everybody that disagrees with you sound dumb and hypocritical.
That's incredibly dishonest.
I don't know why I'm taking this seriously lol but that's a a-hole move.
Chanel Bomber wrote:BugginOut wrote:This thread is going to look so stupid in a month, like every other reactionary thread this board makes
We got an allstar/all-NBA who is a guaranteed 20/10/5 every night on a below market contract.
Say what you want about Randle, but he is head and shoulders the best player on a winning team. If you want him to defer more get a player better than him. Every other player on this team, except Rose, looks scared to take a shot. Randle can’t force Kemba and Fournier to generate offense
Derrick Rose is our best player. All the regular season numbers point towards this, as does our record before and after the Rose trade, but it became crystal clear in the playoffs.
20-10-5 are raw numbers. If your scoring numbers are not efficient, and your assists are the byproduct of a style of play that's not actually conducive to team play, then these numbers are highly misleading. Westbrook's style of play has not been conducive to winning the last couple of years, yet he's been a 20-10-10 guy. Volume doesn't mean much when it's not accompanied by efficiency. Domantas Sabonis was also a 20-10-5 guy last year - is he a top 3 guy on a championship team? I don't think so. He's a 6th man on a great team imo.
All-Star, All-NBA are perception awards. They're in large part based on narratives - they're not necessarily rooted in facts.
Al Jefferson, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, DeMarcus Cousins, Andre Drummond, Victor Oladipo all made All-NBA teams. None of these guys was a relevant NBA player in the grand scheme of things. History will not remember them. Their team simply overachieved one year, and one player had to get rewarded, however disproportionate. That's how it goes.
People fell for the hype with KP as well.
Julius is just another false prophet. He's KP part deux.
3toheadmelo wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:
I hate when people do that though.
Attribute claims made by different people to the same imaginary person, just to make everybody that disagrees with you sound dumb and hypocritical.
That's incredibly dishonest.
I don't know why I'm taking this seriously lol but that's a a-hole move.
He’s saying people being too over reactionary. Let’s see how he looks by the all star break at least
3toheadmelo wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:
I hate when people do that though.
Attribute claims made by different people to the same imaginary person, just to make everybody that disagrees with you sound dumb and hypocritical.
That's incredibly dishonest.
I don't know why I'm taking this seriously lol but that's a a-hole move.
He’s saying people being too over reactionary. Let’s see how he looks by the all star break at least
HarthorneWingo wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Ugh, 15%, Sorry Dolan, pay up
Those incentives are big so seems he is tanking on the defensive end to focus on gobbling up boards and jack shots. Sigh
This is the truth: He did NOT give NY a discount. He was lucky he got as much as he did based on how atrocious he was vs. ATL. The FO probably thought the incentives were a clever motivator, but it is backfiring and he is just whoring for stats. It takes way more intensity and energy to win defensive honors than it does to ballhog for stats
At this rate, he'll never make that $10+ million bonus because he sure isn't making any all-defense team.
I don't like the 15% trade kicker, though I seem to recall them getting renegotiated if it's the sticking point and the player wants to move on. I can't remember the specifics so I could be wrong on that. Also, the option year should always be a team option unless we're talking about a generational talent. What would Randle say at that point anyhow? Blow up the deal after coming off that playoff performance? So that was weak on our (i.e. Leon's
On the players' only meeting, I heard Clyde and Albert talking about how Fournier took a stand and complained about the lack of ball movement, i.e. Randle being a ball hog, which is probably why we didn't see Randle hardly take a shot in the 1st quarter against the Hornets. Did he got all butt hurt over it? I dunno. Anyhow, the starting lineup just doesn't play with any kind of flow yet.
Chanel Bomber wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:I hate when people do that though.
Attribute claims made by different people to the same imaginary person, just to make everybody that disagrees with you sound dumb and hypocritical.
That's incredibly dishonest.
I don't know why I'm taking this seriously lol but that's a a-hole move.
He’s saying people being too over reactionary. Let’s see how he looks by the all star break at least
Yeah but I don't think anybody who said Randle should've won MVP or been in that conversation are now saying he should be benched or traded.
The fans who believed he deserved All-NBA are likely the one saying we should be patient.
The fans who didn't believe he deserved All-NBA or that he was carrying the team are likely to be the ones saying he shouldn't be starting or playing for this ball club.
This guy just arbitrarily chose to give Randle the benefit of the doubt, and dismisses anybody who questions Randle as hypocritical or crazy, because the possibility that they might be right threatens his sense of optimism, which he needs to cope with the reality of being a fan of a cursed franchise. That's it. Chanel sees through people.
PS: I don't mind people saying we should be patient with Randle. I personally disagree, but it's definitely not an unreasonable take. But no need (in this guy's case) to distort reality to dismiss other opinions.
3toheadmelo wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:He’s saying people being too over reactionary. Let’s see how he looks by the all star break at least
Yeah but I don't think anybody who said Randle should've won MVP or been in that conversation are now saying he should be benched or traded.
The fans who believed he deserved All-NBA are likely the one saying we should be patient.
The fans who didn't believe he deserved All-NBA or that he was carrying the team are likely to be the ones saying he shouldn't be starting or playing for this ball club.
This guy just arbitrarily chose to give Randle the benefit of the doubt, and dismisses anybody who questions Randle as hypocritical or crazy, because the possibility that they might be right threatens his sense of optimism, which he needs to cope with the reality of being a fan of a cursed franchise. That's it. Chanel sees through people.
PS: I don't mind people saying we should be patient with Randle. I personally disagree, but it's definitely not an unreasonable take. But no need (in this guy's case) to distort reality to dismiss other opinions.
Oh there’s plenty of people who was overrating Randle last year that want him benched or traded now. Just look at the Prime Melo vs Randle thread. I think that’s his point. A lot of people who were on his nuts last year are turning on him when it’s still early in the season. The over reactionary people. That’s who he was referring to, or at least that’s how I interpreted it
2010 wrote:Randle just needs to move the ball, defend, and play with effort. You know, the same way he was playing when we started off 5-1. He does that, and all the chatter will stop.
The problem is he keeps underestimating New York. You cannot fool this city, the fans, or the media for too long. The microscope is too large here.
When you overplay the role you’re supposed to be in, we’ll see it. When you stat-pad, we’ll see it. When you play selfishly for stats and contract incentives, we”ll see it. When you lack energy and effort, we’ll see it. When you steal rebounds from your fellow teammates, we’ll see it. When you sulk when your teammates are rolling, we’ll see it. When you love it when we chant MVP for you, but get butthurt when we chant O-BI for your vastly improved backup, we see it. When you don’t help the helper and take defensive possessions off then jog back on D and get beat by your man, we’ll see it. When you haven’t dived for a loose 50/50 ball this season (yet hurt role players like Mitch and Noel have – countless times), we’ll notice we haven’t seen it.
Yo Julius Randle, this ain’t Dallas Texas!
Bingo Bong — THIS IS NEW YORK!!!
Stop tryna PLAY US and get back to PLAYING THE RIGHT WAY!
And New York fans booed Ewing so bad that he demanded trades to Miami. Don't give Knicks fans any more credit than disloyal whiners who are far too entitled for their basketball history.2010 wrote:Randle just needs to move the ball, defend, and play with effort. You know, the same way he was playing when we started off 5-1. He does that, and all the chatter will stop.
The problem is he keeps underestimating New York. He tried that his first season here when he kept playing like a selfish dolt, tryna do it all by himself, and almost ran himself outta town.
You cannot fool this city, the fans, or the media for too long. The microscope is too large here.
When you overplay the role you’re supposed to be in, we’ll see it. When you stat-pad, we’ll see it. When you play selfishly for stats and contract incentives, we”ll see it. When you lack energy and effort, we’ll see it. When you steal rebounds from your fellow teammates, we’ll see it. When you sulk when your teammates are rolling, we’ll see it. When you love it when we chant MVP for you, but get butthurt when we chant O-BI for your vastly improved backup, we see it. When you don’t help the helper and take defensive possessions off then jog back on D and get beat by your man, we’ll see it. When you haven’t dived for a loose 50/50 ball this season (yet hurt role players like Mitch and Noel have – countless times), we’ll notice we haven’t seen it.
When you front like you’re a hardworking leader by example, yet we’ve literally seen Patrick Ewing sweat buckets on The Garden floor, protecting the paint…and the whole damn building, we will see it.
Yo Julius Randle, this ain’t Dallas Texas!
Bingo Bong — THIS IS NEW YORK!!!
Stop tryna PLAY US and get back to PLAYING THE RIGHT WAY!
HarthorneWingo wrote:I'm going to make a "Is Thibs the right coach for us?" thread.
