BugginOut wrote: Chanel Bomber wrote:
BugginOut wrote:Now we reached the point where we are saying firing Fizdale was a mistake lol.
I swear some of you just want to root for a losing team because it’s easy. No expectations to win and you can dream about drafting the next Lebron every year. You don’t go from the lotto to contender overnight. This was always a gap year going in. Whether we finish 4th or 8th makes no difference
That's right, but these contenders generally had a generational talent, who simply needed time to become an impactful player.
So yes the Warriors and the Bucks lost their fair share of playoff series before winning the chip, but these teams just needed time until Curry and Giannis came of age, and until the organizations put the right pieces around
This Knicks team doesn't have that
talent on the roster. Not even close. Our level of talent is more comparable to the Gordon-Vucevic-Fournier Magic.
The free agent market will be dry for the next few years. As far as trades are concerned, none of the rumored players really move the needle, and the Knicks' assets are probably depreciating as we speak. And the team is too good to tank - not that Dolan would allow it anyway, especially with Brooklyn being a contender.
The Knicks need a reset. Either go all in and make a big trade, or trade Randle, Fournier and even RJ for picks and young players.
How do you know are young players can’t make the leap or this team can’t build.
No one knew Steph was going to break out. That’s why his first contract was way below market and he didn’t even make his first all-star team until year 5. Giannis wasn’t an all-star until year 4 and even then spent two years as a 6th and 7th seed until making it to the next tier.
We also don’t need a generational player. All of our young players in rotation (RJ, Mitch, Quick, Obi) have shown allstar potential. Randle is 26 and can still get better too. There is no rush or pressure to make any moves
9 out of 10 championship teams have a generational talent. That's just how it is.
Curry and Giannis were highly efficient almost right out of the gate (year 2 for Giannis). It was obvious very early that they were special talents. Curry signed that bargain contract strictly because of health concerns, not because of talent. It's true no one predicted that he would become that
great, but it was pretty obvious he was going to become a perennial All-Star if healthy.
Giannis didn't become an All-Star until year 4 but his upside was evident. His scoring efficiency was well-above average ever since his rookie year. People understood that it was just going to take time, but it was pretty obvious that his ceiling was sky-high.
Neither Randle nor RJ will ever reach those heights. Neither has a particularly high ceiling. I've come to accept that with RJ.
There's a one in a hundred chance that IQ or Obi becomes a real difference-maker. Simply because the shots they hunt are high-percentage shots, which generally drive the success of an offense. Still, they are limited players as of today, and they haven't shown the flashes that Curry or Giannis did very early in their careers.
You don't win championships with 2-3 low-end All-Stars. You win with a superstar/s, and the right mix of players around him/them.