Its time for the Knicks to make a move on Randle before its too late.

[Reign23]

I don't think the FO is giving up on him this fast.
So I would try to trade for Turner. he could open the paint for Randle and RJ. they would make them more efficient.

something around Burks, Obi and the 2022 Charlotte first could do it

You don't double down on this core, bringing in Turner does what? We see what he looks like next to White Randle (Sabonis), it won't amount to us being a top 5 team in the East and will prolong the inevitable which is a complete tear down.

They made the mistake of building around this core over the summer with Kemba, Fournier, Rose, Burks and Nerlens signings, let's not continue to build around a garbage heep.

you continue to get better while a) get a player who is still young and b) get a player who fits very well next to a lot of different players with his protect the rim/hit the three style in case you build a new core.
so he is the exact oppsite of the one dimensional or/and over the hill names you've listed.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don't think the FO is giving up on him this fast.
So I would try to trade for Turner. he could open the paint for Randle and RJ. they would make them more efficient.

something around Burks, Obi and the 2022 Charlotte first could do it

You don't double down on this core, bringing in Turner does what? We see what he looks like next to White Randle (Sabonis), it won't amount to us being a top 5 team in the East and will prolong the inevitable which is a complete tear down.

They made the mistake of building around this core over the summer with Kemba, Fournier, Rose, Burks and Nerlens signings, let's not continue to build around a garbage heep.

you continue to get better while a) get a player who is still young and b) get a player who fits very well next to a lot of different players with his protect the rim/hit the three style in case you build a new core.
so he is the exact oppsite of the one dimensional or/and over the hill names you've listed.

The Pacers tried that and it didn't work out for them, Turner wouldn't change much for us outside of making the offense slightly improved, he can make threes but he's not someone you sell out for when he's open. The Pacers with all that offensive talent have the 15th best offense in the league, they were 14th last year, 18th the year before and 19th the year before that. Turner isn't a game changer that impacts winning, he's just a role player, another to add to our collection of meh talent.

[Reign23]

You don't double down on this core, bringing in Turner does what? We see what he looks like next to White Randle (Sabonis), it won't amount to us being a top 5 team in the East and will prolong the inevitable which is a complete tear down.

They made the mistake of building around this core over the summer with Kemba, Fournier, Rose, Burks and Nerlens signings, let's not continue to build around a garbage heep.

you continue to get better while a) get a player who is still young and b) get a player who fits very well next to a lot of different players with his protect the rim/hit the three style in case you build a new core.
so he is the exact oppsite of the one dimensional or/and over the hill names you've listed.

The Pacers tried that and it didn't work out for them, Turner wouldn't change much for us outside of making the offense slightly improved, he can make threes but he's not someone you sell out for when he's open. The Pacers with all that offensive talent have the 15th best offense in the league, they were 14th last year, 18th the year before and 19th the year before that. Turner isn't a game changer that impacts winning, he's just a role player, another to add to our collection of meh talent.

i disagree. the pacers are good team, they are just **** up for years now in terms in injury.
he would definitely open the paint a little. now, when RJ, Randle or someone else is going to the basket there are always opposing centers waiting.
And with the addition of turner, the roster wouldn't be finished. we still need the #1 option in the backcourt as well as a very good 3 and d guy (with fournier traded or in the 6th man role).

[Nazrmohamed]

You don't double down on this core, bringing in Turner does what? We see what he looks like next to White Randle (Sabonis), it won't amount to us being a top 5 team in the East and will prolong the inevitable which is a complete tear down.

They made the mistake of building around this core over the summer with Kemba, Fournier, Rose, Burks and Nerlens signings, let's not continue to build around a garbage heep.

you continue to get better while a) get a player who is still young and b) get a player who fits very well next to a lot of different players with his protect the rim/hit the three style in case you build a new core.
so he is the exact oppsite of the one dimensional or/and over the hill names you've listed.

The Pacers tried that and it didn't work out for them, Turner wouldn't change much for us outside of making the offense slightly improved, he can make threes but he's not someone you sell out for when he's open. The Pacers with all that offensive talent have the 15th best offense in the league, they were 14th last year, 18th the year before and 19th the year before that. Turner isn't a game changer that impacts winning, he's just a role player, another to add to our collection of meh talent.

I slightly dissagree with you. Actually O mostly agree with you. He is indeee a better player than what we got though and I think the options he provides could improve us. Not to me tion Turner is weird in that at his age he's technically not one you'd look at like say selling your should for a 30yr old. He's young as hell himself.

That said though it's a sellers market this yr. Hes gonna cost way more than he's worth. I've said long ago, he's worth Mitchell Robinson and a single 1st round draft pick, maybe you squeeze a second rounder outof me. Actually he's worth what the market will dictate and if the market is inflated that doesn't mean you gotta be buyers.


It actually means we should be sellers ourselves. This could be the one yr even with all tgier problems and flaws that we can sell off players and get value. But of course we'll act desperate and do the opposite

[NoDopeOnSundays]

you continue to get better while a) get a player who is still young and b) get a player who fits very well next to a lot of different players with his protect the rim/hit the three style in case you build a new core.
so he is the exact oppsite of the one dimensional or/and over the hill names you've listed.

The Pacers tried that and it didn't work out for them, Turner wouldn't change much for us outside of making the offense slightly improved, he can make threes but he's not someone you sell out for when he's open. The Pacers with all that offensive talent have the 15th best offense in the league, they were 14th last year, 18th the year before and 19th the year before that. Turner isn't a game changer that impacts winning, he's just a role player, another to add to our collection of meh talent.

i disagree. the pacers are good team, they are just **** up for years now in terms in injury.
he would definitely open the paint a little. now, when RJ, Randle or someone else is going to the basket there are always opposing centers waiting.
And with the addition of turner, the roster wouldn't be finished. we still need the #1 option in the backcourt as well as a very good 3 and d guy (with fournier traded or in the 6th man role).

We can go back several years to when they had a healthy Oladipo, they have never had a great offense with Turner, not even when they had multiple 17+ppg scorers in Sabonis, Brogdon and Warren all healthy. He just doesn't do anything other than stand out on the 3 point line, almost half of his shots are 3s. The Pacers have Brogdon who would be our best PG since lord knows when, and even with that in mind they've had middling offenses.

This is looking at another slightly above average player and thinking it fixes our core problems which it wouldn't. We need a real PG, and to take the ball completely out of Randles hands, until those two things happen we will be a mediocre team and no amount of band aids will fix that.

[Reign23]

The Pacers tried that and it didn't work out for them, Turner wouldn't change much for us outside of making the offense slightly improved, he can make threes but he's not someone you sell out for when he's open. The Pacers with all that offensive talent have the 15th best offense in the league, they were 14th last year, 18th the year before and 19th the year before that. Turner isn't a game changer that impacts winning, he's just a role player, another to add to our collection of meh talent.

i disagree. the pacers are good team, they are just **** up for years now in terms in injury.
he would definitely open the paint a little. now, when RJ, Randle or someone else is going to the basket there are always opposing centers waiting.
And with the addition of turner, the roster wouldn't be finished. we still need the #1 option in the backcourt as well as a very good 3 and d guy (with fournier traded or in the 6th man role).

We can go back several years to when they had a healthy Oladipo, they have never had a great offense with Turner, not even when they had multiple 17+ppg scorers in Sabonis, Brogdon and Warren all healthy. He just doesn't do anything other than stand out on the 3 point line, almost half of his shots are 3s. The Pacers have Brogdon who would be our best PG since lord knows when, and even with that in mind they've had middling offenses.

This is looking at another slightly above average player and thinking it fixes our core problems which it wouldn't. We need a real PG, and to take the ball completely out of Randles hands, until those two things happen we will be a mediocre team and no amount of band aids will fix that.

I already said that we need a #1 option in the backcourt, yes.
but how is every trade here that doesn't involve a top 10 + in his prime superstar a bandaid?
how is trading for a good 25 year old player while keeping the majority of our assets a bandaid?
idk

[nedleeds]

The Pacers tried that and it didn't work out for them, Turner wouldn't change much for us outside of making the offense slightly improved, he can make threes but he's not someone you sell out for when he's open. The Pacers with all that offensive talent have the 15th best offense in the league, they were 14th last year, 18th the year before and 19th the year before that. Turner isn't a game changer that impacts winning, he's just a role player, another to add to our collection of meh talent.

i disagree. the pacers are good team, they are just **** up for years now in terms in injury.
he would definitely open the paint a little. now, when RJ, Randle or someone else is going to the basket there are always opposing centers waiting.
And with the addition of turner, the roster wouldn't be finished. we still need the #1 option in the backcourt as well as a very good 3 and d guy (with fournier traded or in the 6th man role).

We can go back several years to when they had a healthy Oladipo, they have never had a great offense with Turner, not even when they had multiple 17+ppg scorers in Sabonis, Brogdon and Warren all healthy. He just doesn't do anything other than stand out on the 3 point line, almost half of his shots are 3s. The Pacers have Brogdon who would be our best PG since lord knows when, and even with that in mind they've had middling offenses.

This is looking at another slightly above average player and thinking it fixes our core problems which it wouldn't. We need a real PG, and to take the ball completely out of Randles hands, until those two things happen we will be a mediocre team and no amount of band aids will fix that.

Turner does nothing. He's not that much better than Mitch. We're the 7th seed instead of the play-in. Who phuggin cares? This roster doesn't have a top 50 player. Not 1. The sooner everyone can say that out loud and believe it, the better. Can any of the young players become a top 30 player? I say chances are very slim, IQ has the best shot but PG is a very hard position to learn. RJ doesn't have anything close to the athleticism required. Obi is too old if he was going to be good at basketball and have skill he'd have it by now, he's a role player.

Unfortunately Fournier, Randle, Noel and Kemba's contracts would all require us to attach picks or prospects to get rid of, or take back bad contracts. It would also require the novice front office to admit they're terrible and at that point they might as well resign. They won't. They'll linger like that bit of diarrhea in your asscrack that you shart out in the morning after you leave the house and can't clean until you get home. It just sits there, gets a little drier and makes you miserable.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

i disagree. the pacers are good team, they are just **** up for years now in terms in injury.
he would definitely open the paint a little. now, when RJ, Randle or someone else is going to the basket there are always opposing centers waiting.
And with the addition of turner, the roster wouldn't be finished. we still need the #1 option in the backcourt as well as a very good 3 and d guy (with fournier traded or in the 6th man role).

We can go back several years to when they had a healthy Oladipo, they have never had a great offense with Turner, not even when they had multiple 17+ppg scorers in Sabonis, Brogdon and Warren all healthy. He just doesn't do anything other than stand out on the 3 point line, almost half of his shots are 3s. The Pacers have Brogdon who would be our best PG since lord knows when, and even with that in mind they've had middling offenses.

This is looking at another slightly above average player and thinking it fixes our core problems which it wouldn't. We need a real PG, and to take the ball completely out of Randles hands, until those two things happen we will be a mediocre team and no amount of band aids will fix that.

I already said that we need a #1 option in the backcourt, yes.
but how is every trade here that doesn't involve a top 10 + in his prime superstar a bandaid?
how is trading for a good 25 year old player while keeping the majority of our assets a bandaid?
idk

How would we keep our assets? If Turner is as good as you think he's going to have a market in which we can't compete. He'd mean more to a team like the Warriors than he would to us, and they can offer more than we can, so how do we get him while keeping a majority of our assets?

We're not getting a superstar in a trade, and we're capped out till 2024, the only way out of this is through the draft whether people want to believe it or not. The East is better, we're worse.

[nedleeds]

We can go back several years to when they had a healthy Oladipo, they have never had a great offense with Turner, not even when they had multiple 17+ppg scorers in Sabonis, Brogdon and Warren all healthy. He just doesn't do anything other than stand out on the 3 point line, almost half of his shots are 3s. The Pacers have Brogdon who would be our best PG since lord knows when, and even with that in mind they've had middling offenses.

This is looking at another slightly above average player and thinking it fixes our core problems which it wouldn't. We need a real PG, and to take the ball completely out of Randles hands, until those two things happen we will be a mediocre team and no amount of band aids will fix that.

I already said that we need a #1 option in the backcourt, yes.
but how is every trade here that doesn't involve a top 10 + in his prime superstar a bandaid?
how is trading for a good 25 year old player while keeping the majority of our assets a bandaid?
idk

How would we keep our assets? If Turner is as good as you think he's going to have a market in which we can't compete. He'd mean more to a team like the Warriors than he would to us, and they can offer more than we can, so how do we get him while keeping a majority of our assets?

We're not getting a superstar in a trade, and we're capped out till 2024, the only way out of this is through the draft whether people want to believe it or not. The East is better, we're worse.

Perform this thought exercise. If Dame just was magically on our roster for nothing. We give up nothing. He's just a Knick for $1. We're not a favorite to make the finals. Let that sink in.

[Reign23]

We can go back several years to when they had a healthy Oladipo, they have never had a great offense with Turner, not even when they had multiple 17+ppg scorers in Sabonis, Brogdon and Warren all healthy. He just doesn't do anything other than stand out on the 3 point line, almost half of his shots are 3s. The Pacers have Brogdon who would be our best PG since lord knows when, and even with that in mind they've had middling offenses.

This is looking at another slightly above average player and thinking it fixes our core problems which it wouldn't. We need a real PG, and to take the ball completely out of Randles hands, until those two things happen we will be a mediocre team and no amount of band aids will fix that.

I already said that we need a #1 option in the backcourt, yes.
but how is every trade here that doesn't involve a top 10 + in his prime superstar a bandaid?
how is trading for a good 25 year old player while keeping the majority of our assets a bandaid?
idk

How would we keep our assets? If Turner is as good as you think he's going to have a market in which we can't compete. He'd mean more to a team like the Warriors than he would to us, and they can offer more than we can, so how do we get him while keeping a majority of our assets?

We're not getting a superstar in a trade, and we're capped out till 2024, the only way out of this is through the draft whether people want to believe it or not. The East is better, we're worse.

I said in the first post what I would offer. I wouldn't throw the kitchen sink at them, obv.
And yes, I know that selling and going the draft route is the best option. there is no doubt about that. but even less of a doubt that rose, dolan and thibs won't go there so I am talking realistic scenarios.

[god shammgod]

the pacers are the 6th worst at protecting the paint in the league. we're 3rd best. a lot of that has to do with our centers. myles chases blocks like noel more than plays really good d.

for all this talk of spreading the court myles hits 1.5 3s a game. he had one great month where he shot 3s well. novemeber he shot 42 percent. that's great. he shot 31 percent in december. he shot 33 percent in october. and is 25 percent so far this month. he's not consistent as a shooter.

he's not what people here think he is. he's a good role player. that's all. he'll make no difference here and we'll give up assets for that.

[rajajackal]

trade randle for role players and/or expirings for all i care. just get him out of here asap. if that means a losing record the rest of the season, so be it. we can't get stuck with this contract

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I already said that we need a #1 option in the backcourt, yes.
but how is every trade here that doesn't involve a top 10 + in his prime superstar a bandaid?
how is trading for a good 25 year old player while keeping the majority of our assets a bandaid?
idk

How would we keep our assets? If Turner is as good as you think he's going to have a market in which we can't compete. He'd mean more to a team like the Warriors than he would to us, and they can offer more than we can, so how do we get him while keeping a majority of our assets?

We're not getting a superstar in a trade, and we're capped out till 2024, the only way out of this is through the draft whether people want to believe it or not. The East is better, we're worse.

I said in the first post what I would offer. I wouldn't throw the kitchen sink at them, obv.
And yes, I know that selling and going the draft route is the best option. there is no doubt about that. but even less of a doubt that rose, dolan and thibs won't go there so I am talking realistic scenarios.

That trade offer isn't getting him, it would take Obi and IQ, simply because there's going to be a market for him.

We're looking like a lottery team right now with Thibs and Rose trying their hardest, all it takes is one bad stretch and we're in the top 10.

[Reign23]

How would we keep our assets? If Turner is as good as you think he's going to have a market in which we can't compete. He'd mean more to a team like the Warriors than he would to us, and they can offer more than we can, so how do we get him while keeping a majority of our assets?

We're not getting a superstar in a trade, and we're capped out till 2024, the only way out of this is through the draft whether people want to believe it or not. The East is better, we're worse.

I said in the first post what I would offer. I wouldn't throw the kitchen sink at them, obv.
And yes, I know that selling and going the draft route is the best option. there is no doubt about that. but even less of a doubt that rose, dolan and thibs won't go there so I am talking realistic scenarios.

That trade offer isn't getting him, it would take Obi and IQ, simply because there's going to be a market for him.

We're looking like a lottery team right now with Thibs and Rose trying their hardest, all it takes is one bad stretch and we're in the top 10.

yeah we might end up in the lottery regardless, but there is still a difference. thibs would be grinding out very single meaningless win at the end of the season and we would end up with around 8-10th pick. this pick would then be playing 15 minutes a game next season. same **** over and over and over again.

[Reign23]

the pacers are the 6th worst at protecting the paint in the league. we're 3rd best. a lot of that has to do with our centers. myles chases blocks like noel more than plays really good d.

for all this talk of spreading the court myles hits 1.5 3s a game. he had one great month where he shot 3s well. novemeber he shot 42 percent. that's great. he shot 31 percent in december. he shot 33 percent in october. and is 25 percent so far this month. he's not consistent as a shooter.

he's not what people here think he is. he's a good role player. that's all. he'll make no difference here and we'll give up assets for that.

fair point, tho I see him as a better player than you. who would you target if you can't got the tank route and with no superstar available? just curious..

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I said in the first post what I would offer. I wouldn't throw the kitchen sink at them, obv.
And yes, I know that selling and going the draft route is the best option. there is no doubt about that. but even less of a doubt that rose, dolan and thibs won't go there so I am talking realistic scenarios.

That trade offer isn't getting him, it would take Obi and IQ, simply because there's going to be a market for him.

We're looking like a lottery team right now with Thibs and Rose trying their hardest, all it takes is one bad stretch and we're in the top 10.

yeah we might end up in the lottery regardless, but there is still a difference. thibs would be grinding out very single meaningless win at the end of the season and we would end up with around 8-10th pick. this pick would then be playing 15 minutes a game next season. same **** over and over and over again.

Here's the thing, Thibs will eventually get fired if he keeps mothballing lottery picks, because that ultimately makes the front office look bad for selecting that player if he can't play and they will choose self-preservation over watching him ruin another pick. He has been fired from both of his previous coaching jobs, and he will most likely end up fired here as well.

[Reign23]

That trade offer isn't getting him, it would take Obi and IQ, simply because there's going to be a market for him.

We're looking like a lottery team right now with Thibs and Rose trying their hardest, all it takes is one bad stretch and we're in the top 10.

yeah we might end up in the lottery regardless, but there is still a difference. thibs would be grinding out very single meaningless win at the end of the season and we would end up with around 8-10th pick. this pick would then be playing 15 minutes a game next season. same **** over and over and over again.

Here's the thing, Thibs will eventually get fired if he keeps mothballing lottery picks, because that ultimately makes the front office look bad for selecting that player if he can't play and they will choose self-preservation over watching him ruin another pick. He has been fired from both of his previous coaching jobs, and he will most likely end up fired here as well.

you could be right, but idk. I would love to know what Rose thinks about thibs playing Obi 9 minutes each game.

[god shammgod]

the pacers are the 6th worst at protecting the paint in the league. we're 3rd best. a lot of that has to do with our centers. myles chases blocks like noel more than plays really good d.

for all this talk of spreading the court myles hits 1.5 3s a game. he had one great month where he shot 3s well. novemeber he shot 42 percent. that's great. he shot 31 percent in december. he shot 33 percent in october. and is 25 percent so far this month. he's not consistent as a shooter.

he's not what people here think he is. he's a good role player. that's all. he'll make no difference here and we'll give up assets for that.

fair point, tho I see him as a better player than you. who would you target if you can't got the tank route and with no superstar available? just curious..

i would wait for the superstar to become available. and i actually think that's what their plan is too. it doesn't have to happen this year. you still have dame out there and the blazers are free falling. he might be available this summer. they start using young players/assets to upgrade role players now and they'll make trading for that guy harder. they should really be moving a few role players for more assets for that eventual trade if they're not gonna tank. not all of them but one or two. get another 1st if you can. we're not gonna get much worse if they do.

now is dame and randle doing anything together ? nah but it'll probably keep the knicks a playoff team for a few years and that's all they really care about.

[DickGrayson]

Julius Randles replacement.

Watch on YouTube

If you believe in this kid both Julius and Obi become a lot more expendable.

Toppin and Luka can co-exist.

[symbiotic]

When I came into the last page of this thread I was wondering if Myles Turner name was going to come up. Little did I know, of all 400+ player in the NBA it's primarily about Myles Turner.

What's surprised me most about this development is that people even give a damn about the Indiana Pacers of all teams & states & cities