Noel status

[robillionaire]

well done everyone, ya'll in excellent form going into today's matinee game

and i don't think anyone but rob cares about where nerlens is

Sources: robillionaire is beside himself. Driving around downtown New York begging (thru texts) Noel's family for address to Nerlens' home

I want him to rest up until the showcasing is done and maybe buy a ps5 with the bag that’s well secured and not fumbled

[nedleeds]

[Clyde_Style]

Just the stupidest signing. He and Mitch are the same player, essentially. Why bring back another Mitch?
Keep Mitch and should have signed a C with some ability to score or stretch the floor, at least more than 2 feet from the basket.

Some posters on here swore he was better than Mitch last year and beginning of the year.

It was a horrible signing from the start. I wish someone in the front office compiled all the clips of easy baskets Noel could have scored if he knew how to catch a basketball. Granted nobody on the Knicks is a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd at passing, and yes, Randle, does pass to teammates like he's playing dodgeball. But something is wrong with Noel's hands.

He’s the Roberto Duran of basketball

[moocow007]

He tried to make the trip but couldn't catch the flight

[moocow007]

from now on lets not sign guys who cant pass a physical

Or guys that can't seem to catch a break when it comes to injuries.

[moocow007]

he's been very injury prone his whole career

our dumbest signing this offseason imo

I've been saying that even before he was resigned and the rumors of the Knicks wanting to bring him back started rumbling. I knew in my bones they were going to overpay to bring him back. He was fine for what they paid him last season...but not fine with that stupid contract they gave him to come back. Made absolutely no sense and I said this when he was still on the uptick in the court of public opinions. He's not a starting caliber C. Between the lack of size to keep opposing bigs in check, the lack of any offensive game, the awful hands and the regular trips to the IL...he's a backup C. You don't pay a backup C that much especially in todays' NBA where you can find backup C's all over the place looking for work for cheap, I don't care how well he played soldiering up for this team last season. Thibs job...one of his biggest skills...is getting mediocre guys to play above themselves. Why give Noel a big contract like that? Why not find someone that won't cost anywhere near that much and let Thibs get blood from that stone?

[Spree2Houston]

Watch on YouTube

[WargamesX]

he's been very injury prone his whole career

our dumbest signing this offseason imo

I've been saying that even before he was resigned and the rumors of the Knicks wanting to bring him back started rumbling. I knew in my bones they were going to overpay to bring him back. He was fine for what they paid him last season...but not fine with that stupid contract they gave him to come back. Made absolutely no sense and I said this when he was still on the uptick in the court of public opinions. He's not a starting caliber C. Between the lack of size to keep opposing bigs in check, the lack of any offensive game, the awful hands and the regular trips to the IL...he's a backup C. You don't pay a backup C that much especially in todays' NBA where you can find backup C's all over the place looking for work for cheap, I don't care how well he played soldiering up for this team last season. Thibs job...one of his biggest skills...is getting mediocre guys to play above themselves. Why give Noel a big contract like that? Why not find someone that won't cost anywhere near that much and let Thibs get blood from that stone?

Loyalty, Mitch was still injured (and fat) at the time, and for this team Noel can sub in as a starter. He’s not grossly overpaid either. If he was healthy he would likely be trade bait right now.

[moocow007]

Just the stupidest signing. He and Mitch are the same player, essentially. Why bring back another Mitch?
Keep Mitch and should have signed a C with some ability to score or stretch the floor, at least more than 2 feet from the basket.

Some posters on here swore he was better than Mitch last year and beginning of the year.

It was a horrible signing from the start. I wish someone in the front office compiled all the clips of easy baskets Noel could have scored if he knew how to catch a basketball. Granted nobody on the Knicks is a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd at passing, and yes, Randle, does pass to teammates like he's playing dodgeball. But something is wrong with Noel's hands.

He’s the Roberto Duran of basketball

Yep.

For those of you not old enough, here's what we are talking about.

Watch on YouTube

For Duran the "Hands of Stone" was a good thing is the only difference. Also the ultimate downfall for Duran was that he had "Hands of Stone" but also a "Jaw of Glass".

[KnixtapeH20]

from now on lets not sign guys who cant pass a physical

Or guys that can't seem to catch a break when it comes to injuries.

Lmao whether or not that was intended well done

[KnixtapeH20]

I just never understood the infatuation with Noel blocks. He didn't take the league by storm as a revered amazing shot blocker like Mitch when he was chasing manute bol. Noels blocks are mostly never 1 on 1, they're help blocks.

And forget about blocks why are blocks so important? They're not, rebounds are. So why not get a backup center that can dominate the boards. Who cares about 2 flashy blocks a game. Mitch gives you BOTH.

[moocow007]

our dumbest signing this offseason imo

I've been saying that even before he was resigned and the rumors of the Knicks wanting to bring him back started rumbling. I knew in my bones they were going to overpay to bring him back. He was fine for what they paid him last season...but not fine with that stupid contract they gave him to come back. Made absolutely no sense and I said this when he was still on the uptick in the court of public opinions. He's not a starting caliber C. Between the lack of size to keep opposing bigs in check, the lack of any offensive game, the awful hands and the regular trips to the IL...he's a backup C. You don't pay a backup C that much especially in todays' NBA where you can find backup C's all over the place looking for work for cheap, I don't care how well he played soldiering up for this team last season. Thibs job...one of his biggest skills...is getting mediocre guys to play above themselves. Why give Noel a big contract like that? Why not find someone that won't cost anywhere near that much and let Thibs get blood from that stone?

Loyalty, Mitch was still injured (and fat) at the time, and for this team Noel can sub in as a starter. He’s not grossly overpaid either. If he was healthy he would likely be trade bait right now.

Loyalty is the only reason I accept. Noel has been a backup caliber C his entire NBA career and if you were protecting against Mitchell Robinson injuries then you should have looked to move Mitch and try to acquire a more sure bet starting caliber C via free agency or trade.

As far as him not being grossly overpaid? If we accept that Noel is a backup caliber C (do we?) then he'd be noticeably overpaid and I'd be doubtful that his contract would be easy to move.

Right now, among C's, Noel has the 21st biggest contract in terms of 2021-2022 salary at $8.8 million. That might not seem big but only IF he was considered a starting C. For a backup caliber C here are the guys around his salary range that are basically more backup C's:

Dwight Powell ($11.1M) - Powell has been the starting C for the Mavs this season. His numbers are better than Noels and he's more well rounded. I don't know too many teams that are looking to acquire him to be their starting caliber C or act as a backup C.

Tristan Thompson/Derrick Favors/Serge Ibaka ($9.73M all 3) - This is the group of guys with comparable total salary, AAV and productivity that Noel probably fits in to as far as guys that, if the team had a redo, probably would not have offered the contract that they did. Not sure how much desirable any of these guys are to other teams and I believe all 3 teams are likely to be also looking to move these guys if given an opportunity so this also would be the Knicks competition in trying to find a taker for Noel.

All the other backup caliber Cs are at $5 million or less for this season. This includes the following guys that are and have been quality backup caliber C's for some time:

Robin Lopez ($5M), Javale McGee ($5M), Gorgui Deng ($4M), Alex Len ($3.7M), Hassan Whiteside ($1.7M), Andre Drummond ($1.7M), Dwight Howard ($1.7M), Enes Kanter ($1.7M), Cody Zeller ($1.7M), DeAndre Jordan ($1.7M), Ed Davis ($1.7M), Bismack Biyombo (866K), etc.

Now sure Noel is probably more ideal as a backup than some of these guys but I don't think there are many teams that would be eager to trade for Noel on his current deal is the thing.

[KnixtapeH20]

I've been saying that even before he was resigned and the rumors of the Knicks wanting to bring him back started rumbling. I knew in my bones they were going to overpay to bring him back. He was fine for what they paid him last season...but not fine with that stupid contract they gave him to come back. Made absolutely no sense and I said this when he was still on the uptick in the court of public opinions. He's not a starting caliber C. Between the lack of size to keep opposing bigs in check, the lack of any offensive game, the awful hands and the regular trips to the IL...he's a backup C. You don't pay a backup C that much especially in todays' NBA where you can find backup C's all over the place looking for work for cheap, I don't care how well he played soldiering up for this team last season. Thibs job...one of his biggest skills...is getting mediocre guys to play above themselves. Why give Noel a big contract like that? Why not find someone that won't cost anywhere near that much and let Thibs get blood from that stone?

Loyalty, Mitch was still injured (and fat) at the time, and for this team Noel can sub in as a starter. He’s not grossly overpaid either. If he was healthy he would likely be trade bait right now.

Loyalty is the only reason I accept. Noel has been a backup caliber C his entire NBA career and if you were protecting against Mitchell Robinson injuries then you should have looked to move Mitch and try to acquire a more sure bet starting caliber C via free agency or trade.

As far as him not being grossly overpaid? If we accept that Noel is a backup caliber C (do we?) then he'd be noticeably overpaid and I'd be doubtful that his contract would be easy to move.

Right now, among C's, Noel has the 21st biggest contract in terms of 2021-2022 salary at $8.8 million. That might not seem big but only IF he was considered a starting C. For a backup caliber C here are the guys around his salary range that are basically more backup C's:

Dwight Powell ($11.1M) - Powell has been the starting C for the Mavs this season. His numbers are better than Noels and he's more well rounded. I don't know too many teams that are looking to acquire him to be their starting caliber C or act as a backup C.

Tristan Thompson/Derrick Favors/Serge Ibaka ($9.73M all 3) - This is the group of guys with comparable total salary, AAV and productivity that Noel probably fits in to as far as guys that, if the team had a redo, probably would not have offered the contract that they did. Not sure how much desirable any of these guys are to other teams and I believe all 3 teams are likely to be also looking to move these guys if given an opportunity so this also would be the Knicks competition in trying to find a taker for Noel.

All the other backup caliber Cs are at $5 million or less for this season. This includes the following guys that are and have been quality backup caliber C's for some time:

Robin Lopez ($5M), Javale McGee ($5M), Gorgui Deng ($4M), Alex Len ($3.7M), Hassan Whiteside ($1.7M), Andre Drummond ($1.7M), Dwight Howard ($1.7M), Enes Kanter ($1.7M), Cody Zeller ($1.7M), DeAndre Jordan ($1.7M), Ed Davis ($1.7M), Bismack Biyombo (866K), etc.

Now sure Noel is probably more ideal as a backup than some of these guys but I don't think there are many teams that would be eager to trade for Noel on his current deal is the thing.

Wow, bless your heart for taking the time to research and discuss a scrub like Noel

[WargamesX]

I've been saying that even before he was resigned and the rumors of the Knicks wanting to bring him back started rumbling. I knew in my bones they were going to overpay to bring him back. He was fine for what they paid him last season...but not fine with that stupid contract they gave him to come back. Made absolutely no sense and I said this when he was still on the uptick in the court of public opinions. He's not a starting caliber C. Between the lack of size to keep opposing bigs in check, the lack of any offensive game, the awful hands and the regular trips to the IL...he's a backup C. You don't pay a backup C that much especially in todays' NBA where you can find backup C's all over the place looking for work for cheap, I don't care how well he played soldiering up for this team last season. Thibs job...one of his biggest skills...is getting mediocre guys to play above themselves. Why give Noel a big contract like that? Why not find someone that won't cost anywhere near that much and let Thibs get blood from that stone?

Loyalty, Mitch was still injured (and fat) at the time, and for this team Noel can sub in as a starter. He’s not grossly overpaid either. If he was healthy he would likely be trade bait right now.

Loyalty is the only reason I accept. Noel has been a backup caliber C his entire NBA career and if you were protecting against Mitchell Robinson injuries then you should have looked to move Mitch and try to acquire a more sure bet starting caliber C via free agency or trade.

As far as him not being grossly overpaid? If we accept that Noel is a backup caliber C (do we?) then he'd be noticeably overpaid and I'd be doubtful that his contract would be easy to move.

Right now, among C's, Noel has the 21st biggest contract in terms of 2021-2022 salary at $8.8 million. That might not seem big but only IF he was considered a starting C. For a backup caliber C here are the guys around his salary range that are basically more backup C's:

Dwight Powell ($11.1M) - Powell has been the starting C for the Mavs this season. His numbers are better than Noels and he's more well rounded. I don't know too many teams that are looking to acquire him to be their starting caliber C or act as a backup C.

Tristan Thompson/Derrick Favors/Serge Ibaka ($9.73M all 3) - This is the group of guys with comparable total salary, AAV and productivity that Noel probably fits in to as far as guys that, if the team had a redo, probably would not have offered the contract that they did. Not sure how much desirable any of these guys are to other teams and I believe all 3 teams are likely to be also looking to move these guys if given an opportunity so this also would be the Knicks competition in trying to find a taker for Noel.

All the other backup caliber Cs are at $5 million or less for this season. This includes the following guys that are and have been quality backup caliber C's for some time:

Robin Lopez ($5M), Javale McGee ($5M), Gorgui Deng ($4M), Alex Len ($3.7M), Hassan Whiteside ($1.7M), Andre Drummond ($1.7M), Dwight Howard ($1.7M), Enes Kanter ($1.7M), Cody Zeller ($1.7M), DeAndre Jordan ($1.7M), Ed Davis ($1.7M), Bismack Biyombo (866K), etc.

Now sure Noel is probably more ideal as a backup than some of these guys but I don't think there are many teams that would be eager to trade for Noel on his current deal is the thing.

Here’s the thing, they didn’t know he was going to be the back up. His deal makes sense if they wanted to see if Mitch would come back and play well, while also having a short term back up who could be the starter if he didn’t. His contract is two year’s guaranteed so the overlap is minimal and he is a better player healthy than the majority of players you mentioned. It’s unfortunate he is injured, but it’s not a devastatingly bad contract. It’s at worst annoying and if he returns after the trade deadline and provides high level defense off the bench, great they can also trade him this summer.

[moocow007]

from now on lets not sign guys who cant pass a physical

Or guys that can't seem to catch a break when it comes to injuries.

Lmao whether or not that was intended well done

It was...it was.

[Clyde_Style]

Noel is the Dobie Gray of basketball

[F N 11]

Status= Vacation

[thebuzzardman]

At least it gives the Knicks a long look at Taj, to help them decide what he's capable of in the NBA