The Deuce McBride Disrespect Must Stop

rayraypico · Post #1 » by **rayraypico** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:11 am

I know this has been discussed in various other threads but our solution at PG is right in front of us and he cant get on the court. Whats worse is our defensive mastermind of a coach doesnt play our arguable best defensive perimeter player.

Imagine in a world where a coach can justify starting Elf for a full season at PG....but cant get minutes to Deuce when he is the only true PG on the roster. I bet you $100 that Elf wouldnt put up the numbers Deuces puts up in the G league. I cant watch 35 minutes of Burkes at PG...its horrific. I love quick but hes not a PG.

We literally have one person that has true PG (some may say combo guard) skills on the roster.

I am no scout but role the tape...doesnt matter when. Watch Deuce play. Down 20 garbage time he is picking up and applying pressure full court. Loose ball....he is full speed. He has a 3pt shot. He has a handle. Likely needs to improve court vision but stack that up to our other PG's and the choice is easy.

Our defensive mind HC mastermind needs to get his head out of his @ss and play the best defensive option at PG. I believe Deuce is a starting PG in this league....we are tanking and he cant get in. The only person not aware of our tanking or talent is Thibs

Adelheid · Post #2 » by **Adelheid** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:34 am

He has decent court vision for a guard. But thibs wants guards or wings that can drive to the basket against NBA-level defense

tbh if thibs wants to win that badly, deuce should have been incorporated into the rotation but thibs will be thibs

perhaps the coach thinks deuce is a bad defender because of his 6'1 height. thibs is like that, i mean he thinks and says elfrid is a good defender because he has size but elf isnt a good defender at all.

also of note: thibs was pushing to get mcbride during the draft period. perhaps the FO has a hand in not playing deuce in the rotation

Jstock12 · Post #3 » by **Jstock12** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:40 am

Post #4 » by **duetta** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:58 am

If Deuce doesn't get to play soon, then his chance to play a major role next season largely evaporates, since management will have no evidence to base a '22-'23 playing time projection on and they will instead seek to import a highly-paid substitute.

Deuce played in three games during the Covid stretch. He was excellent in extended minutes vs. Houston, largely ineffective as a PG versus Oklahoma City, and ineffective in the whole five minutes he received against Toronto. The whole five minutes he got to play! That's no basis to evaluate a player.

Burks just went through a game at the point in which he had no assists.

I HATE coaches who are so afraid of losing games that they stunt the long-term development of the team. Last season the Knicks went on what I call a 'magic carpet ride' (just as they did in the one season with Anthony where the Knicks went to the 2nd round). Neither season was truly reflective of the core talent base of the club - as the following season demonstrated. In life, you have to know where you honestly are in the food chain. Thibs wants to keep pretending that our veteran talent base is better than it is. This delusion will undoubtedly cost the team dearly in both development reps and draft positions over the long-term.

Nazrmohamed · Post #5 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:37 pm

I dont think any of ys have seen him in a large enough sample size to know what we truly have. I wasnt overly impressed by him. I felt he looked slow and very much the caretakers type of game.

Then again, I try to imagine myself a rookie coming into a situation where everyone has a role and I mught have only those 2-4 garbage minutes. How do I impress upon coach to give me more time
-play conservative mistake free basketball while not shying away from defensuve assignments
- I take as many shots as possible because if one or two 3s land that alone could at least spark an interest.

I think McBride chooses the former which many nights are just boring tbh. In other words even when he plays he never leaves an impression on me. I dont know what his supooerters couldve seen by now other than GLeague highlights cuz Ive never seen it in a game. He needs more minutes so I can properly assess him.

thebuzzardman · Post #6 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:13 pm

I respect the fact that some consider him overrated and that they are probably correct

Clyde_Style · Post #7 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:35 pm

Adelheid wrote:He has decent court vision for a guard. But thibs wants guards or wings that can drive to the basket against NBA-level defense

tbh if thibs wants to win that badly, deuce should have been incorporated into the rotation but thibs will be thibs

perhaps the coach thinks deuce is a bad defender because of his 6'1 height. thibs is like that, i mean he thinks and says elfrid is a good defender because he has size but elf isnt a good defender at all.

also of note: thibs was pushing to get mcbride during the draft period. perhaps the FO has a hand in not playing deuce in the rotation

RJ is pretty much getting to the rack at will now so our PG does not have to be an elite penetrator

knicks1248 · Post #8 » by **knicks1248** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:19 pm

Mcbride is a 2nd round pick who isn't really better than anyone ahead of him on the depth chart.

To bench someone better him just to give him PT is not developing, you basically handing him minutes he didn't earn.

Now if there's open rotation spot because of injury, then it's up to him to make it hard for the coach to sit him ever again.

Esq-4 · Post #9 » by **Esq-4** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:23 pm

knicks1248 wrote:Mcbride is a 2nd round pick who isn't really better than anyone ahead of him on the depth chart.

To bench someone better him just to give him PT is not developing, you basically handing him minutes he didn't earn.

Now if there's open rotation spot because of injury, then it's up to him to make it hard for the coach to sit him ever again.

I don't disagree, except, who is in front of him? No Walker, no Rose. Burks is not a PG. IQ, ok, but he's also not really a PG.

JXL · Post #10 » by **JXL** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:39 pm

This whole thread deserves this:

No one is saying Deuce is being disrespected. Only Thibs thinks that he's not ready, and he clearly is.

Kampuchea · Post #11 » by **Kampuchea** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:49 pm

This will be like IQ. We get desperate for him to play more than he sucks and we want to trade him.

Next it’s Rokas.

thebuzzardman · Post #12 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:49 pm

I'm looking forward to new age Lavar Postell getting some burn

thebuzzardman · Post #13 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:50 pm

Kampuchea wrote:This will be like IQ. We get desperate for him to play more than he sucks and we want to trade him.

Next it’s Rokas.

I have a wild solution that might put an end to this.

That the FO learn how to draft

Kampuchea · Post #14 » by **Kampuchea** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:54 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Kampuchea wrote:This will be like IQ. We get desperate for him to play more than he sucks and we want to trade him.

Next it’s Rokas.

I have a wild solution that might put an end to this.

That the FO learn how to draft

Their late picks have been better than expected. Sucks about Obi though.

We’re going to end up right in our bad pick range, the Frank/Knox/Obi spot.

FrozenEnvelope · Post #15 » by **FrozenEnvelope** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:57 pm

Either Deuce is really bad in practice (I highly doubt this) or Thibs must feel he's simply not ready. But he did fine that one game earlier in the season so I have no clue. Hopefully he get's some burn on this road trip where we will have plenty of garbage time in the fourth.

Kampuchea · Post #16 » by **Kampuchea** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:58 pm

And yeah, I’d rather see McBride play. Not because I think he’s great, rather I see no benefit to playing Burks. Let’s hope we lose a couple more and Burks gets benched with Rose having no reason to come back.

thebuzzardman · Post #17 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:07 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:Either Deuce is really bad in practice (I highly doubt this) or Thibs must feel he's simply not ready. But he did fine that one game earlier in the season so I have no clue. Hopefully he get's some burn on this road trip where we will have plenty of garbage time in the fourth.

Even if he's not completely ready, why not give him 10 minutes? Pretty sure we know what Burks is.

Fat · Post #18 » by **Fat** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:31 pm

All the young guys should be getting majority of the minutes at this point in the season

knicks1248 · Post #19 » by **knicks1248** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:13 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
FrozenEnvelope wrote:Either Deuce is really bad in practice (I highly doubt this) or Thibs must feel he's simply not ready. But he did fine that one game earlier in the season so I have no clue. Hopefully he get's some burn on this road trip where we will have plenty of garbage time in the fourth.

Even if he's not completely ready, why not give him 10 minutes? Pretty sure we know what Burks is.

He did well that one game but the very next game he look completely confused and daze, then he got Covid.

Remember Linsanity all came crashing down when THE MIAMI HEAT completely shut him down, that was the memo sent out to the rest of the NBA and Lin was barely every the same after that 1 game.

Once the scouting report is out on you, your doomed if your just a one trick pony, and although Mc B looks like a decent defender, he doesn't not know how to run a team.

If your going to judge him on his G league stats, all you have to do is remember JIMMER FREDETTE, who lit up the g league like superman, and couldn't land a rotation spot on any NBA team including the knicks

Gravy · Post #20 » by **Gravy** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:13 pm

I remember back when these threads were made about the stupid coaches not playing future star Frank Ntilikina..time flies. I do hope Mcbride ends up being much better than that. You have to understand that as bad as IQ and Burks are, there is always worse and the Knicks would be able to find whatever that worse is.