How much is too much for IQ?

[thebuzzardman]

What is the MLE? That's his value

[Oscirus]

someones gonna overpay for him, I just hope its not us. We can draft a player like iq in the 1st/2nd round with little to no dropoff

[nismos14]

Doesn't more than 18mm mean any of the 4 options? Shouldn't the poll be up to 18mm, up to 20, up to 22.5, up to 25?

[aggo]

4/78

Basically what Derrick white and Marcus smart get

Both those guys ended up being starters for the teams that gave them their extensions, IQ is never going to start over Brunson, and won't start over Grimes.

It doesn't make sense to give a bench player that kind of money, especially after such a horrible playoff performance.

Yes Idk if IQ is a starter

But

There’s a lot of evidence that IQ is an elite defender at his position. You don’t let guys who can play 30mpg do multiple things on both sides of the ball go. You just don’t, even if it means giving them 20m/yr to come off the bench, he’s still playing 30 minutes and beating up the other bench and sometimes starters. That’s what IQ is, an undersized SG that can defend at an elite level and do multiple things at worst at average on offense.

[WargamesX]

I will be honest the cap going up again has me confused on what fair value is anymore.

[Woodsanity]

Before the playoffs I thought 25m tops now more like 20m.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

4/78

Basically what Derrick white and Marcus smart get

Both those guys ended up being starters for the teams that gave them their extensions, IQ is never going to start over Brunson, and won't start over Grimes.

It doesn't make sense to give a bench player that kind of money, especially after such a horrible playoff performance.

Yes Idk if IQ is a starter

But

There’s a lot of evidence that IQ is an elite defender at his position. You don’t let guys who can play 30mpg do multiple things on both sides of the ball go. You just don’t, even if it means giving them 20m/yr to come off the bench, he’s still playing 30 minutes and beating up the other bench and sometimes starters. That’s what IQ is, an undersized SG that can defend at an elite level and do multiple things at worst at average on offense.

An elite defender at his size is valuable to a point, but it shouldn't get him paid the premium, and paying him $20 million a year makes him among the most expensive bench players. Look around the league, how many guards that don't start are getting that kind of money? Melton makes $9 million a year, Monk makes $9.7 million, Tyus Jones makes $14.5 million, Bruce Brown makes $6.8 million, Clarkson $11.5 million, Norm Powel makes $10.8 million. The only bench guard making that much is Brogdon, and that's because he used to be a starter.

The problem here is IQ is never going to be a starter with us, so why should we pay him like one? Is he worth 2x as much as Monk or Melton? The alternative is to find a cheaper alternative, or spend that money on the starting SG spot, either way he's not worth that much, and the playoffs he just had needs to factor into the decision because he was dreadful, and this being his second time there can't be overlooked.

@ 20 million a year he's making almost much as Brunson

[aggo]

Both those guys ended up being starters for the teams that gave them their extensions, IQ is never going to start over Brunson, and won't start over Grimes.

It doesn't make sense to give a bench player that kind of money, especially after such a horrible playoff performance.

Yes Idk if IQ is a starter

But

There’s a lot of evidence that IQ is an elite defender at his position. You don’t let guys who can play 30mpg do multiple things on both sides of the ball go. You just don’t, even if it means giving them 20m/yr to come off the bench, he’s still playing 30 minutes and beating up the other bench and sometimes starters. That’s what IQ is, an undersized SG that can defend at an elite level and do multiple things at worst at average on offense.

An elite defender at his size is valuable to a point, but it shouldn't get him paid the premium, and paying him $20 million a year makes him among the most expensive bench players. Look around the league, how many guards that don't start are getting that kind of money? Melton makes $9 million a year, Monk makes $9.7 million, Tyus Jones makes $14.5 million, Bruce Brown makes $6.8 million, Clarkson $11.5 million, Norm Powel makes $10.8 million. The only bench guard making that much is Brogdon, and that's because he used to be a starter.

The problem here is IQ is never going to be a starter with us, so why should we pay him like one? Is he worth 2x as much as Monk or Melton? The alternative is to find a cheaper alternative, or spend that money on the starting SG spot, either way he's not worth that much, and the playoffs he just had needs to factor into the decision because he was dreadful, and this being his second time there can't be overlooked.

@ 20 million a year he's making almost much as Brunson

what do you want me to say?

He's up for a contract and he's gonna get paid because people are going to value the fact that hes a proven 2 way player.


When we put him next to a real PG, he played his best (rose). I think that's a big problem with why he struggled in the post-season, hes not a pg.


One thing about IQ which a lot of people dont know is that he had a significantly positive +/- for the season we were under .500. given how the stat works and the fact that we more often than not ended games with a negative +/-, it is just further proof that he's a winning player.

[Richard4444]

Both those guys ended up being starters for the teams that gave them their extensions, IQ is never going to start over Brunson, and won't start over Grimes.

It doesn't make sense to give a bench player that kind of money, especially after such a horrible playoff performance.

Yes Idk if IQ is a starter

But

There’s a lot of evidence that IQ is an elite defender at his position. You don’t let guys who can play 30mpg do multiple things on both sides of the ball go. You just don’t, even if it means giving them 20m/yr to come off the bench, he’s still playing 30 minutes and beating up the other bench and sometimes starters. That’s what IQ is, an undersized SG that can defend at an elite level and do multiple things at worst at average on offense.

An elite defender at his size is valuable to a point, but it shouldn't get him paid the premium, and paying him $20 million a year makes him among the most expensive bench players. Look around the league, how many guards that don't start are getting that kind of money? Melton makes $9 million a year, Monk makes $9.7 million, Tyus Jones makes $14.5 million, Bruce Brown makes $6.8 million, Clarkson $11.5 million, Norm Powel makes $10.8 million. The only bench guard making that much is Brogdon, and that's because he used to be a starter.

The problem here is IQ is never going to be a starter with us, so why should we pay him like one? Is he worth 2x as much as Monk or Melton? The alternative is to find a cheaper alternative, or spend that money on the starting SG spot, either way he's not worth that much, and the playoffs he just had needs to factor into the decision because he was dreadful, and this being his second time there can't be overlooked.

@ 20 million a year he's making almost much as Brunson

Norman Powell is making 18M

Bruce Brown is severely underpaid. He might get a good offer from a cap spaced team.

Clarkson should get a 20M/y salary somewhere.

Melton is underpaid too.

[Richard4444]

someones gonna overpay for him, I just hope its not us. We can draft a player like iq in the 1st/2nd round with little to no dropoff

Yes. We can draft a player like him. But the probability is very low and we do not have picks this year.

[Richard4444]

The question is how much is ok to pay him now to avoid the RFA market (having to match a signed offer sheet next offseason to not lose him for nothing). Is his value going up or going down next season?

[spree2kawhi]

We should trade him for Maxey.

[spree2kawhi]

Both those guys ended up being starters for the teams that gave them their extensions, IQ is never going to start over Brunson, and won't start over Grimes.

It doesn't make sense to give a bench player that kind of money, especially after such a horrible playoff performance.

Yes Idk if IQ is a starter

But

There’s a lot of evidence that IQ is an elite defender at his position. You don’t let guys who can play 30mpg do multiple things on both sides of the ball go. You just don’t, even if it means giving them 20m/yr to come off the bench, he’s still playing 30 minutes and beating up the other bench and sometimes starters. That’s what IQ is, an undersized SG that can defend at an elite level and do multiple things at worst at average on offense.

An elite defender at his size is valuable to a point, but it shouldn't get him paid the premium, and paying him $20 million a year makes him among the most expensive bench players. Look around the league, how many guards that don't start are getting that kind of money? Melton makes $9 million a year, Monk makes $9.7 million, Tyus Jones makes $14.5 million, Bruce Brown makes $6.8 million, Clarkson $11.5 million, Norm Powel makes $10.8 million. The only bench guard making that much is Brogdon, and that's because he used to be a starter.

The problem here is IQ is never going to be a starter with us, so why should we pay him like one? Is he worth 2x as much as Monk or Melton? The alternative is to find a cheaper alternative, or spend that money on the starting SG spot, either way he's not worth that much, and the playoffs he just had needs to factor into the decision because he was dreadful, and this being his second time there can't be overlooked.

@ 20 million a year he's making almost much as Brunson

Being a good defender is not the same as being an elite defender. I think 20 million a year is good value though.

[8516knicks]

Yes Idk if IQ is a starter

But

There’s a lot of evidence that IQ is an elite defender at his position. You don’t let guys who can play 30mpg do multiple things on both sides of the ball go. You just don’t, even if it means giving them 20m/yr to come off the bench, he’s still playing 30 minutes and beating up the other bench and sometimes starters. That’s what IQ is, an undersized SG that can defend at an elite level and do multiple things at worst at average on offense.

An elite defender at his size is valuable to a point, but it shouldn't get him paid the premium, and paying him $20 million a year makes him among the most expensive bench players. Look around the league, how many guards that don't start are getting that kind of money? Melton makes $9 million a year, Monk makes $9.7 million, Tyus Jones makes $14.5 million, Bruce Brown makes $6.8 million, Clarkson $11.5 million, Norm Powel makes $10.8 million. The only bench guard making that much is Brogdon, and that's because he used to be a starter.

The problem here is IQ is never going to be a starter with us, so why should we pay him like one? Is he worth 2x as much as Monk or Melton? The alternative is to find a cheaper alternative, or spend that money on the starting SG spot, either way he's not worth that much, and the playoffs he just had needs to factor into the decision because he was dreadful, and this being his second time there can't be overlooked.

@ 20 million a year he's making almost much as Brunson

Norman Powell is making 18M

Bruce Brown is severely underpaid. He might get a good offer from a cap spaced team.

Clarkson should get a 20M/y salary somewhere.

Melton is underpaid too.

Everything is relative but no way he deserves Brunson money.

[Richard4444]

An elite defender at his size is valuable to a point, but it shouldn't get him paid the premium, and paying him $20 million a year makes him among the most expensive bench players. Look around the league, how many guards that don't start are getting that kind of money? Melton makes $9 million a year, Monk makes $9.7 million, Tyus Jones makes $14.5 million, Bruce Brown makes $6.8 million, Clarkson $11.5 million, Norm Powel makes $10.8 million. The only bench guard making that much is Brogdon, and that's because he used to be a starter.

The problem here is IQ is never going to be a starter with us, so why should we pay him like one? Is he worth 2x as much as Monk or Melton? The alternative is to find a cheaper alternative, or spend that money on the starting SG spot, either way he's not worth that much, and the playoffs he just had needs to factor into the decision because he was dreadful, and this being his second time there can't be overlooked.

@ 20 million a year he's making almost much as Brunson

Norman Powell is making 18M

Bruce Brown is severely underpaid. He might get a good offer from a cap spaced team.

Clarkson should get a 20M/y salary somewhere.

Melton is underpaid too.

Everything is relative but no way he deserves Brunson money.

Brunson is not a good parameter. He deserves the max.

[RHODEY]

What is the MLE? That's his value

23 Million

[HEZI]

Knicks need to learn from the Nuggets. Remember that kid Bones Hyland they had drafted? The guy whose game resembled Quickley? Well they dumped him for two future second rounders.

Get rid of all the low IQ selfish chuckers

Knicks should have traded him while he was still under his rookie deal.

Build a culture of winning players and attitude and dump the trash that will continue to keep us mediocre

[RHODEY]

Knicks need to learn from the Nuggets. Remember that kid Bones Hyland they had drafted? The guy whose game resembled Quickley? Well they dumped him for two future second rounders.

Get rid of all the low IQ selfish chuckers

Knicks should have traded him while he was still under his rookie deal.

Build a culture of winning players and attitude and dump the trash that will continue to keep us mediocre

You think IQ keeps us mediocre?

Spoiler:

[HEZI]

Knicks need to learn from the Nuggets. Remember that kid Bones Hyland they had drafted? The guy whose game resembled Quickley? Well they dumped him for two future second rounders.

Get rid of all the low IQ selfish chuckers

Knicks should have traded him while he was still under his rookie deal.

Build a culture of winning players and attitude and dump the trash that will continue to keep us mediocre

You think IQ keeps us mediocre?

Spoiler:

He plays more minutes than some of our starters

Have you seen him in the playoffs?

Spoiler:

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Knicks need to learn from the Nuggets. Remember that kid Bones Hyland they had drafted? The guy whose game resembled Quickley? Well they dumped him for two future second rounders.

Get rid of all the low IQ selfish chuckers

Knicks should have traded him while he was still under his rookie deal.

Build a culture of winning players and attitude and dump the trash that will continue to keep us mediocre

You think IQ keeps us mediocre?

Spoiler:

He plays more minutes than some of our starters

Have you seen him in the playoffs?

Spoiler:

It's just so confusing how people want to make him the highest or second highest paid bench player AFTER the playoffs he just had. Especially when you look around the league and see the undersized 2 guard off the bench can be found for cheap (Monk/Brown).