The Knicks do NOT need to make a move!

[testerosa]

There's been plenty of talk lately, and really since last season, about how the Knicks NEED to make a "big trade".

They need "that one guy" who can take them to contender status.

To me, this is annoying, typical, impulsive behavior by certain fans, and by the media, of course.

Would adding Giannis, Luka or Embiid to this team be a dream come true? Sure. Would it be worth parting with some major chips to make it happen? Yes, as sad as I would be to see some of these guys go.

That being said - let's take a minute to appreciate the awesome roster we have already...

-Brunson is one of the very best scorers and very best PGs in the NBA. Possibly the best PG in the conference. Could easily be the second best player on a championship team.

-Randle is an all-star and an all-NBA talent who gives us a 3 level scorer at the PF position (a rarity in today's game), while also being an above average rebounder and facilitator. He can also be the second best player on a championship team.

-RJ at 23 years old looks to be having the breakout season we've all been waiting for, and is an all-around player at the wing (something we've needed). Possibly a fringe all-star with more room to grow.

-Mitch is no doubt an all-defensive player this year and a DPOY candidate if he continues on this path, and of course the best offensive rebounder in the game. As much as we love him, he still doesn't get enough credit for the Knicks' success.

-And then you have IQ who will be in the 6MOY convo again, Grimes/DDV who give us 2 great options at the 2 with their shooting and defense, Josh Hart who is an excellent glue piece and utility player, and iHart who, with Mitch, forms the best center tandem in the league.

Is it likely this team will be the new 2004 Pistons and win it all without a top 5 player? Of course it's not likely... but I still put their chances significantly above 0 percent, especially in a league with no super teams.

So really.... whats the rush? If none of Giannis, Embiid, Luka, Jokic, Tatum or SGA become available soon (and chances are slim they do), are we really going to sell the farm for Spida? Are we going to give up a substantial package of players and picks for Lavine?

When the time is right, I think the Knicks should make a move if it makes sense, and if they aren't being bent over a barrel because of some perceived NEED to make a move. Otherwise, this Knicks roster is young, and their best players are all on a very similar timeline. It's a beautiful thing, and I think they have the chance to do something special and rare, even if they stand pat, and even if that means they never win it all.

To me, they are becoming one of the best stories in the league, and a shining example of how to slowly build a well-rounded, highly competitive roster from within, while hoarding picks and managing the salary cap almost masterfully. Yet nobody wants to talk about it because the media hates Dolan and doesn't want to give the team any credit. I think come playoff time they will be forced to recognize the job Leon and Thibs have done....

[thebuzzardman]

I think that if they could, adding OG for like Fournier, Grimes and picks would be a move worth making.

[TKKnicks1]

Cuz they beat a couple scrub teams? GTFO.

[KnixtapeH20]

Gave you an and1 but I'd still move Randle for a better fit

If IQ makes the jump give him a bigger role...

Grimes will figure it out but he barely touches the ball... which is why I don't like this offense

[blueNorange]

the only move is if luka wants out of dallas

[testerosa]

the only move is if luka wants out of dallas

I'm still not sold on Embiid either. But if this experiment in MIL fails and Giannis becomes available, I'd be all for that. Luka is #1 though since he's so potent offensively and hasn't even entered his prime yet.

[testerosa]

I think that if they could, adding OG for like Fournier, Grimes and picks would be a move worth making.

I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on that, Buzz. I'm still a believer in Grimes and whatever his ceiling may be, so adding picks to that deal seems extra risky since OG is pretty injury prone. Not to mention, Fournier is valuable trade filler. We may need that contract for a better player down the line. As long as he keeps quiet and can continue to give us decent minutes in a pinch, he's the perfect vet to ride the pine for now.

[Capn'O]

To maximize this roster they need a little move. Big wing/backup pf.

[Synciere]

Wholeheartedly disagree but appreciate your positive spirit.

If the goal is to win a chip, then upgrading on the wing is very necessary. If not a franchise player then an All Star? If not an All Star then a legit difference maker. We’re still lacking in the talent department.

[testerosa]

To maximize this roster they need a little move. Big wing/backup pf.

Am I crazy for wishing we could have gotten our hands on Dillon Brooks? I went from hating his guts to being kind of tickled by his whole shtick.

[testerosa]

Wholeheartedly disagree but appreciate your positive spirit.

If the goal is to win a chip, then upgrading on the wing is very necessary. If not a franchise player then an All Star? If not an All Star then a legit difference maker. We’re still lacking in the talent department.

But who?

That's kind of my point.

Who is out there that can take us to bonafide contender status besides the mega stars I mentioned?

And what is the cost?

[dakomish23]

Let’s talk after December. But I like our 9, i like having Deuce in case of injury. If they feel Grimes is available for the right piece, then I hope it’s for Mikal.

Everyone says he’s not available I get it.

[Synciere]

Wholeheartedly disagree but appreciate your positive spirit.

If the goal is to win a chip, then upgrading on the wing is very necessary. If not a franchise player then an All Star? If not an All Star then a legit difference maker. We’re still lacking in the talent department.

But who?

That's kind of my point.

Who is out there that can take us to bonafide contender status besides the mega stars I mentioned?

And what is the cost?

I’m not in favor of making moves just to make them, so if the player we want isn’t available then hold the line. Right now all we know is all the Bulls players are available so unless someone wants Lavigne or Derozan ……..

[KOA]

The Knicks still need to make a move to get another PF on the roster.
If anything happens to Julius, you don't want Jericho Sims starting there.

I could see the Lakers being a good trade partner since they have good depth there with Rui, Taurean Prince, Christian Wood, and Jarred Vanderbilt.

The problem there is that there aren't any minutes for another piece so the Knicks might be forced to consolidate some other assets too.

I could see an IQ + fillers for Herbert Jones type of swap to try to fix that issue, but you lose some scoring in that second unit.

[knicks94]

No disrespect to the OP but that post was a bit too long of a read on a hangover.

[Jalen Bluntson]

[G_K_F]

Stop man.

Y'all always do this once you taste a modicum of success.

The Knicks are not a championship team. So, yes, they need to make a move.

Stop overhyping this team. It’s a solid team. It’s enjoyable. But that’s it. You’re not winning titles with Randle as your second best player.

[HopelessKnick]

I think that if they could, adding OG for like Fournier, Grimes and picks would be a move worth making.

I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on that, Buzz. I'm still a believer in Grimes and whatever his ceiling may be, so adding picks to that deal seems extra risky since OG is pretty injury prone. Not to mention, Fournier is valuable trade filler. We may need that contract for a better player down the line. As long as he keeps quiet and can continue to give us decent minutes in a pinch, he's the perfect vet to ride the pine for now.

I personally like Grimes and think he can be a very nice starter in the near future. His defense is good, his shot is good etc.--However this team fundamentally lacks a big 6'7 wing that can defend multiple positions. OG is certainly among the 3 best defender in the entire league.....he is a different animal on defense and gives you 16-18 points on very solid % on offense as well. I actually honestly believe that if you do the suggested deal, the Knicks would be in a much better position to take down , Miami, Boston or Milwaukee. Anunoby can guard Tatum, Giannis, Butler etc.---Grimes simply does not have the size to do it.

That being said I truly believe the Raptors are going to build around Barnes and OG. It would probably take a kings ransom to make Ujuri let go of Anunoby. 3 and D wings are very hard to get. Keep in mind the Nets turned down 4 FRPs for Bridges (prior to his scoring outburst with the Nets) and Toronto reportedly turned down 3 FRPs for Anunoby. Right now we look like a 47-50 win team, which is a good spot to be in....but if we want to seriously threaten the east top dogs we definitely need a player like OG. I actually believe that if the FO had the chance they'd jump on Fournier, Grimes + 2 FRPs for Anunoby. Like with zero hesitation.

Brunson--RJ--OG--Randle--Mitch with IQ,DD,Hart,Isiah coming off the bench does have a realistic chance of winning the east IF Barrett's improvement is legit. Actually, when Perry was interviewed a couple days ago and made the comparison to the 2004 Pistons' trade for Sheed---I think he had someone like OG in mind.

[duetta]

As I've said in a couple of threads over the last day or so, we need to make a modest move, and that is for a backup four-stretch five. It's the one thing we are missing once you assume that RJ is for real.

Porzingis would have been the perfect acquisition but there have to be other players out there who fit the bill. The way we can get beat in the playoffs involves opponents not having to guard Mitch or Hartenstein, thus making it much tougher for our shooters.

We have depth everywhere except at PF and three-point shooting everywhere except at the center position.

As for OG...if RJ is for real, I am not giving up talent for the privilege of being held over a barrel next summer and forced to pay OG insane money to keep him. Because you know that's precisely what will happen. There will be no discount. And we will have already given up assets just to bring him here as a rental. No shot. I'd fire a GM who proposed that.

[thebuzzardman]

I think that if they could, adding OG for like Fournier, Grimes and picks would be a move worth making.

I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on that, Buzz. I'm still a believer in Grimes and whatever his ceiling may be, so adding picks to that deal seems extra risky since OG is pretty injury prone. Not to mention, Fournier is valuable trade filler. We may need that contract for a better player down the line. As long as he keeps quiet and can continue to give us decent minutes in a pinch, he's the perfect vet to ride the pine for now.

Agreed. I'm not so sure the "big" player ever becomes available though. It doesn't have to be OG though, an "OG type" would do - a tall/big SF who can swing to backup PF even better than RJ, and I think RJ is decent there and a better option than Hart.

Reason I put Grimes in, is it's either going to be IQ or Grimes going out in any trade.
I think IQ has more value as a more aggressive offensive player and it seems like, for now, more skilled, but maybe Grimes catches up. IQ a really good defender too. Also, IQ kinda/sorta can play backup PG, so he can fill more than one position, sort of, where Grimes can only play SG.
Actually, that's unfair, as Grimes guards multiple positions.

Any move the Knicks make and a player fans like is going out. That much is certain.