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"Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks?" (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:10 am
by HarthorneWingo
The first four parts cover Julius's history in the league from when he was drafted by the Lakers. You can skip them.
Start at Part 5.It then covers his free agent signings with the Pelicans and then with the Knicks. The interesting parts of the video start at Part 5 which covers last season and the playoffs. It then covers this season up to the RJ/OG trade including the changes Julius has made to his game.
I think that once you watch it, you'll see how bad Randle's ankle was. It doesn't excuse everything but it provides enough context so that we shouldn't be burying him as a choke artist in the playoffs.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:06 am
by NoStatsGuy
I have been saying this. we are a bit too hard on randle over here.
ofc when hes getting in his feelings and being impulsive and emotional, its annoying to watch sometimes. But imo that only shows his passion and determinaton to perform. i personally give him a pass for that. He was playing on a bum ankle and tried to play when most of the league wouldnt even care to suit up.
I sincerely dont get how you could hate the guy. He put us on the map, hes our all nba player. hes not perfect and might not be a #1 option on a title contender but i appreciate him.
and honestly we could say the exact same about thibs. they are not perfect but they are our guys and put us back on the map after how many years of being the laughing stock? like 20 years? i will ride with them and embrace them until its over.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:00 pm
by moocow007
Randle is and has never been the type of player that the team (especially not the teams built in the early part of his tenure) needed and fans wanted…and yet way too many Knick fans came into this marriage (as they have in so many previous marriages with players of the like) expecting him to be. We saw it with Melo (he’d have to Lebron to lead JR Smith and team to anything), we saw it with Starbury (the NYC kid that was going to make everything right), we saw it with Ewing (what can’t he be like Mike), for those of you that were around we even saw it with King (who literally killed his career trying to lift the Knicks out of a decade long **** hole with next to no help whatsoever).
Rabid desperate Knick fans throwing these types of “not good enough” players on a pedestal that you could almost predict (like clockwork) will eventually be set on fire when said player can’t pull gold out their butts. If instead you take Randle for what he is and see him fulfilling what reasonable minds should expect him to fulfill he has been more on than off in doing that.
The Hawks playoffs, the Knicks team was absolutely not geared for the playoffs. Randle was their ONLY real offensive option and he was also their only really proven guy that could create shot opportunities for others (once DRose broke down…and he was already almost there before the playoffs started). I remember vividly the Hawks coach being asked how they plan to play the Knicks and without hesitation said “throw everything at Julius Randle (and let the other Knicks try to beat you).” They did and the rest of the team couldn’t. Randles fault? Sure if he was Lebron or Giannis like. But he’s not. Now doesn’t mean his play couldn’t have been better, obvious could. But the venom thrown at him was absolutely nuts.
And then the playoffs in question. His ankles clearly was not good. Most guys probably wouldn’t have played. But he gutted it out apparently when it probably would have been better for him to just take the road more travelled and said he can’t play. He’d have gotten less heat for not playing than what he did.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:08 pm
by knicks94
I think Robert Randolph is a greater problem to the Knicks than Julius. That guy has been cursing the Knicks for decades.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:27 pm
by NowWHYcee7
Knicks fans don't really deserve a championship team. I can never root for another team but that's just the truth. If we never win another championship until the end of days it would be justice.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:00 pm
by KnicksGadfly
Oh shoot, is it time for the bi-annual Randle eat crow thread?
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:01 pm
by KNIXFAN_83
Julius has always been the problem along with Thibs inability to make adjustments. Look at how Toronto is playing. The game is organically being played and RJ is surfacing as the top guy. Similar here when we played a team game RJ would always stick out. The problem was ISO ball doesn’t work with RJ and he’s often left forcing bad shots with the clock winding down or standing in corner watching Julius. The only reason OG is working out because he doesn’t get in Randle or Jalen way. IQ and RJ are creators and the Knicks didn’t allow them too. They look like Lowery and Derozen 2.0 and are only going to get better. OG has mad us better but this run might unfortunately be the peak. Because this team will be judge on playoff success or lack of and that’s where it falls on Julius. Julius was not a good fit with IQ or RJ and now we have to win with him.
One thing Julius never did was throw the ball ahead to get easy baskets. He consistently trots up court at his pace and that would limit Rj and Iq getting easy shots. Then he never went to the corner or paint but rather the top of the key where now a wing had to go to the corner and stand there. Julius and Thibs have always been the issue holding the younger players back. Thinking other wise you simply are a homer and can’t be unbiased. We simply have to win with Julius now or run the risk of once again selling our youth too soon instead of building the old fashion way.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:25 pm
by Davis18
Being hurt doesn't excuse him from the way he played in Miami series.
I have never witnessed anything like that.
Especially in playoffs.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:42 pm
by cgmw
Davis18 wrote:Being hurt doesn't excuse him from the way he played in Miami series.
I have never witnessed anything like that.
Especially in playoffs.
Pretty impressive honestly how quickly he’s been forgiven for the 100% lack of effort in a second round series. That kind of thing should have been an instant career killer. Apparently he “gutted it out” on a bad ankle. Who knew?
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:48 pm
by thebuzzardman
KNIXFAN_83 wrote:Julius has always been the problem along with Thibs inability to make adjustments. Look at how Toronto is playing. The game is organically being played and RJ is surfacing as the top guy. Similar here when we played a team game RJ would always stick out. The problem was ISO ball doesn’t work with RJ and he’s often left forcing bad shots with the clock winding down or standing in corner watching Julius. The only reason OG is working out because he doesn’t get in Randle or Jalen way. IQ and RJ are creators and the Knicks didn’t allow them too. They look like Lowery and Derozen 2.0 and are only going to get better. OG has mad us better but this run might unfortunately be the peak. Because this team will be judge on playoff success or lack of and that’s where it falls on Julius. Julius was not a good fit with IQ or RJ and now we have to win with him.
One thing Julius never did was throw the ball ahead to get easy baskets. He consistently trots up court at his pace and that would limit Rj and Iq getting easy shots. Then he never went to the corner or paint but rather the top of the key where now a wing had to go to the corner and stand there. Julius and Thibs have always been the issue holding the younger players back. Thinking other wise you simply are a homer and can’t be unbiased. We simply have to win with Julius now or run the risk of once again selling our youth too soon instead of building the old fashion way.
Yeah, the ball is really sticking since RJ and IQ got traded and the Knicks have been trash, losing every game.
If RJ and IQ are so great, we'd better be judging the Raptors and their "organic" style of play on playoff success as well.
Ah, this board. No one is ever happy with what the Knicks do. Case in point.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:57 pm
by god shammgod
i'm not watching this video or reading all this. but define "the problem" ? the problem is still it's very hard to win championships without an mvp type on your squad. go look at the list of champions for the last 20 years and how many teams didn't have one. so you can claim either randle or brunson are "the problem" from that point of view. but the knicks seem to be "pretty good" now, so let's see what they can do.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:59 pm
by DOT
Characterizing everyone who criticizes Randle as just being haters who are mad he isn't LeBron or Giannis is funny lol
Cause you need to believe that asking a player to play the same in the playoffs as he does in the regular season to be this insane, unrealistic ask of him when it's really the bare minimum for a star
At this point, he's the same as DeRozan. Great in the regular season, but folds in the playoffs. I don't care what he does the rest of the season, he needs to play well in the postseason now
Y'all need to stop coddling him and pretending like it's unreasonable to ask that he step it up when it matters the most.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:03 pm
by Knicks Byke
Reserving judgment until playoff performance.
He still is A problem with his IQ but maybe he wasnt THE problem if that makes sense. Seems like RJ was hurting the SL more.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:14 pm
by KNIXFAN_83
thebuzzardman wrote:KNIXFAN_83 wrote:Julius has always been the problem along with Thibs inability to make adjustments. Look at how Toronto is playing. The game is organically being played and RJ is surfacing as the top guy. Similar here when we played a team game RJ would always stick out. The problem was ISO ball doesn’t work with RJ and he’s often left forcing bad shots with the clock winding down or standing in corner watching Julius. The only reason OG is working out because he doesn’t get in Randle or Jalen way. IQ and RJ are creators and the Knicks didn’t allow them too. They look like Lowery and Derozen 2.0 and are only going to get better. OG has mad us better but this run might unfortunately be the peak. Because this team will be judge on playoff success or lack of and that’s where it falls on Julius. Julius was not a good fit with IQ or RJ and now we have to win with him.
One thing Julius never did was throw the ball ahead to get easy baskets. He consistently trots up court at his pace and that would limit Rj and Iq getting easy shots. Then he never went to the corner or paint but rather the top of the key where now a wing had to go to the corner and stand there. Julius and Thibs have always been the issue holding the younger players back. Thinking other wise you simply are a homer and can’t be unbiased. We simply have to win with Julius now or run the risk of once again selling our youth too soon instead of building the old fashion way.
Yeah, the ball is really sticking since RJ and IQ got traded and the Knicks have been trash, losing every game.
If RJ and IQ are so great, we'd better be judging the Raptors and their "organic" style of play on playoff success as well.
Ah, this board. No one is ever happy with what the Knicks do. Case in point.
It’s not about being happy. It’s simply an analysis of what certain fans see or accept about this team. Julius is having a great season individually. But he’s had great seasons before only to have his game not translate into the playoffs. Some would say he has yet to even play a great playoff game. So ok it’s fine you’re banking on him to win. But you can’t discount how well RJ and IQ are playing when we never rolled out the red carpet for them in 4 years. We told IQ sit behind Elfred and Burks. We told RJ to stand in the corner and limited his transition opportunities. Now it has to work with Julius. That’s just the truth.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:16 pm
by god shammgod
we never rolled out the red carpet for rj ? maaaan. y'all do make it hard to not talk about him lol
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:19 pm
by thebuzzardman
KNIXFAN_83 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:KNIXFAN_83 wrote:Julius has always been the problem along with Thibs inability to make adjustments. Look at how Toronto is playing. The game is organically being played and RJ is surfacing as the top guy. Similar here when we played a team game RJ would always stick out. The problem was ISO ball doesn’t work with RJ and he’s often left forcing bad shots with the clock winding down or standing in corner watching Julius. The only reason OG is working out because he doesn’t get in Randle or Jalen way. IQ and RJ are creators and the Knicks didn’t allow them too. They look like Lowery and Derozen 2.0 and are only going to get better. OG has mad us better but this run might unfortunately be the peak. Because this team will be judge on playoff success or lack of and that’s where it falls on Julius. Julius was not a good fit with IQ or RJ and now we have to win with him.
One thing Julius never did was throw the ball ahead to get easy baskets. He consistently trots up court at his pace and that would limit Rj and Iq getting easy shots. Then he never went to the corner or paint but rather the top of the key where now a wing had to go to the corner and stand there. Julius and Thibs have always been the issue holding the younger players back. Thinking other wise you simply are a homer and can’t be unbiased. We simply have to win with Julius now or run the risk of once again selling our youth too soon instead of building the old fashion way.
Yeah, the ball is really sticking since RJ and IQ got traded and the Knicks have been trash, losing every game.
If RJ and IQ are so great, we'd better be judging the Raptors and their "organic" style of play on playoff success as well.
Ah, this board. No one is ever happy with what the Knicks do. Case in point.
It’s not about being happy. It’s simply an analysis of what certain fans see or accept about this team. Julius is having a great season individually. But he’s had great seasons before only to have his game not translate into the playoffs. Some would say he has yet to even play a great playoff game. So ok it’s fine you’re banking on him to win. But you can’t discount how well RJ and IQ are playing when we never rolled out the red carpet for them in 4 years. We told IQ sit behind Elfred and Burks. We told RJ to stand in the corner and limited his transition opportunities. Now it has to work with Julius. That’s just the truth.
I'll just have to wait to judge RJ and IQ until they take the Raptors to the ECF.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:20 pm
by thebuzzardman
god shammgod wrote:we never rolled out the red carpet for rj ? maaaan. y'all do make it hard to not talk about him lol
About 17 shot attempts a game for 5 years. F*cking Knicks holding RJ back.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:22 pm
by KNIXFAN_83
god shammgod wrote:we never rolled out the red carpet for rj ? maaaan. y'all do make it hard to not talk about him lol
No we didn’t. We told him go find shots with Elfred Marcus Morris Julius and Mitch.
Then it was find your offense again with elfred Payton only played 1 game in the playoffs
Then it was find your offense with old man Kemba
Then it was find your offense with iso Jalen and iso Julius. So no we didn’t . That’s why him and IQ look great in Toronto because they are playing to their style and people are talking highly about them.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:24 pm
by thebuzzardman
KNIXFAN_83 wrote:god shammgod wrote:we never rolled out the red carpet for rj ? maaaan. y'all do make it hard to not talk about him lol
No we didn’t. We told him go fine shots with Elfred Marcus Morris Julius and Mitch.
Then it was fine your offense again with elfred Payton only played 1 game in the playoffs
Then it was fine your offense with old man Kemba
Then it was fine your offense with iso Jalen and iso Julius. So no we didn’t . That’s why him and IQ look great in Toronto because they are playing to their style and people are talking highly about them.
Yeah, iso Brunson. That dude sucks.
Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis)
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:28 pm
by KNIXFAN_83
thebuzzardman wrote:KNIXFAN_83 wrote:god shammgod wrote:we never rolled out the red carpet for rj ? maaaan. y'all do make it hard to not talk about him lol
No we didn’t. We told him go fine shots with Elfred Marcus Morris Julius and Mitch.
Then it was fine your offense again with elfred Payton only played 1 game in the playoffs
Then it was fine your offense with old man Kemba
Then it was fine your offense with iso Jalen and iso Julius. So no we didn’t . That’s why him and IQ look great in Toronto because they are playing to their style and people are talking highly about them.
Yeah, iso Brunson. That dude sucks.
He doesn’t suck and that’s why Knick fans go after Chuck and Jefferson because they hate hearing another perspective. Jalen is a great basketball player. But look at the usage rate in January when we still need this and more come April. It’s about looking at both short and long term. Right now this is peak baring another trade or Mitch coming back. Has the bucks Celtics or sixers peaked? No i don’t think so. So that’s why yes we look great now but maybe we could have looked different before if we had a better offense being ran.