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I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

You’re asking him to grow some balls, and I’m not sure if that will happen. Frank couldn’t grow any. Testicular fortitude is probably something that you’re born with. We didn’t have to have this conversation with Quickley.

Best chance is for one of his teammates take him under their wing. Maybe even Johnnie Bryant. Ultimately, it’s up to him. He’s a grown man.

HarthorneWingo wrote:I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

outside of there physical size and stature they have nothing similar in terms of there games. Murray has a ridiculous bag. Grimes is a C&S guy and attack close out guy. That is about.

Murray has a ridiculous layup package, step back jumper, and runs an elite P&R. Grimes can't do any of that.

mpharris36 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

outside of there physical size and stature they have nothing similar in terms of there games. Murray has a ridiculous bag. Grimes is a C&S guy and attack close out guy. That is about.

Murray has a ridiculous layup package, step back jumper, and runs an elite P&R. Grimes can't do any of that.

Isn’t that what “development” is all about? Shouldn’t our coaching staff be working with him to develop those skills? He’s shown no improvement in that area. He was a playmaker in college.

He’s been doing better since the trade. Getting shots up more than he ever has before. Hopefully that continues and his confidence grows when he’s no long worried about being here past the deadline.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

outside of there physical size and stature they have nothing similar in terms of there games. Murray has a ridiculous bag. Grimes is a C&S guy and attack close out guy. That is about.

Murray has a ridiculous layup package, step back jumper, and runs an elite P&R. Grimes can't do any of that.

Isn’t that what “development” is all about? Shouldn’t our coaching staff be working with him to develop those skills? He’s shown no improvement in that area. He was a playmaker in college.

development? you can't just make someone something they aren't.

He was a 2.2 assist 2 turnover guy in college...hardly a playmaker.

Grimes is an off ball guard...you can't just develop him into an on-ball offensive engine type.

That is a skill set a player has or doesn't well before they get into the NBA.

I definitely think QG will be a better player than what he has shown.
He just rushes everything right now. He needs to slow down, analyze what the defense is giving him and then operate.

It's one thing to get up a shot before the defense sets, but in a half-court game, there is 0 reason to rush.
To your point, seems like he rushes things because he's afraid to get pulled if he makes a mistake.

Also seems like he's really focused on scoring rather than setting his team mates up. He seemed to do a good job of that in summer league.

Lastly, he needs to stop putting up crazy reverse lay-ups when he can just drive through the contact to make sure he gets the call.

mpharris36 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:
outside of there physical size and stature they have nothing similar in terms of there games. Murray has a ridiculous bag. Grimes is a C&S guy and attack close out guy. That is about.

Murray has a ridiculous layup package, step back jumper, and runs an elite P&R. Grimes can't do any of that.

Isn’t that what “development” is all about? Shouldn’t our coaching staff be working with him to develop those skills? He’s shown no improvement in that area. He was a playmaker in college.

development? you can't just make someone something they aren't.

He was a 2.2 assist 2 turnover guy in college...hardly a playmaker.

Grimes is an off ball guard...you can't just develop him into an on-ball offensive engine type.

That is a skill set a player has or doesn't well before they get into the NBA.

I just saw that Murray was the 7yh pick in his draft. I didn’t recall that.

You should’ve pointed that out in the beginning.


Still, we haven’t developed him right. Do you disagree with that?

He's gone. He will most likely play better anywhere else. Thibs offense is straight trash. 4 guys standing on the perimeter waiting for one guy to shoot or pass. That does NOTHING for player development. I guarantee he finds a better role elsewhere.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:Isn’t that what “development” is all about? Shouldn’t our coaching staff be working with him to develop those skills? He’s shown no improvement in that area. He was a playmaker in college.

development? you can't just make someone something they aren't.

He was a 2.2 assist 2 turnover guy in college...hardly a playmaker.

Grimes is an off ball guard...you can't just develop him into an on-ball offensive engine type.

That is a skill set a player has or doesn't well before they get into the NBA.

I just saw that Murray was the 7yh pick in his draft. I didn’t recall that.

You should’ve pointed that out in the beginning.


Still, we haven’t developed him right. Do you disagree with that?

I thought that was well known...Murray was a bucket his freshman year in college at Kentucky he avg 20 a night.

I do agree they haven't developed him well enough. But its not all on the knicks...Grimes came in the year as the starter...he flubbed early in the season. Now thibs has lost some confidence in him.

Jamal Murray has an elite handle.

This is almost like asking why I can't still become Quentin Grimes.

even early on, Murray has had certain tools and skillset that QG has ever had

but you'd def be able to turn QG into Murray lite in nba2k

Because he's a herb

mpharris36 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:
development? you can't just make someone something they aren't.

He was a 2.2 assist 2 turnover guy in college...hardly a playmaker.

Grimes is an off ball guard...you can't just develop him into an on-ball offensive engine type.

That is a skill set a player has or doesn't well before they get into the NBA.

I just saw that Murray was the 7yh pick in his draft. I didn’t recall that.

You should’ve pointed that out in the beginning.


Still, we haven’t developed him right. Do you disagree with that?

I thought that was well known...Murray was a bucket his freshman year in college at Kentucky he avg 20 a night.

I do agree they haven't developed him well enough. But its not all on the knicks...Grimes came in the year as the starter...he flubbed early in the season. Now thibs has lost some confidence in him.

I wasn’t following college basketball back then.

Still, we’ve done a poor job with him this season so far. I blame the coaching staff and front office.

You gonna lock this up?

I am so let down by how wrong my opinion of this kid was coming into this season. I had legitimate hope for him becoming a 30 MPG rotational glue-guy, 3-D wing - kind of like a mini version of Anunoby - and then with additional ceiling to strive towards in the coming years.

Those tools are still there, it just doesn't seem like the kid has the ability to apply them in the most beneficial and/or productive way. He just doesn't have "it" at this point.

SelbyCobra wrote:I am so let down by how wrong my opinion of this kid was coming into this season. I had legitimate hope for him becoming a 30 MPG rotational glue-guy, 3-D wing - kind of like a mini version of Anunoby - and then with additional ceiling to strive towards in the coming years.

Those tools are still there, it just doesn't seem like the kid has the ability to apply them in the most beneficial and/or productive way. He just doesn't have "it" at this point.

Agreed. But then Donte lit it up in his first chance to start after, I believe, Grimes went down with minor injury? Do I have that right?

It’s because of the talent level. Murray can do things you cannot teach.

Jalen Bluntson wrote:He's gone. He will most likely play better anywhere else. Thibs offense is straight trash. 4 guys standing on the perimeter waiting for one guy to shoot or pass. That does NOTHING for player development. I guarantee he finds a better role elsewhere.

I’m glad I’m not alone. Randle doesn’t help either.

spree2kawhi wrote:

Jalen Bluntson wrote:He's gone. He will most likely play better anywhere else. Thibs offense is straight trash. 4 guys standing on the perimeter waiting for one guy to shoot or pass. That does NOTHING for player development. I guarantee he finds a better role elsewhere.

I’m glad I’m not alone. Randle doesn’t help either.

Hold on now, they run that little weave. Then they run the mini-triangle with the two-man game on strong side. Then they run the PnR occasionally. And then they fast break whenever they can. I just think Thibs has mishandled Grimes. Look at all the leeway he gave RJ. Grimes gets none of that love. That's why Grimes has lost his confidence.