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With a focus on defense and what he values most there as well as creating elite spacing for Brunson.
1.No ball dominant players besides Brunson. KAT is more a score within the flow kind of offensive guy who is either quick to make his decision to drive, shoot or pass. Less low IQ / ball stopping indecisive stuff that Randle had a habit of doing when he bully balled. This team had dominant stretches when they moved the ball around well and they are more ideally structured to do that now.
2. DDV out but McBride still here. THis is underrated point here. Yes I get DDV was a sharpshooter. But he was better as a starter than a bench player and Bridges was going to definitely eat into his minutes. But the big thing is is McBride is worlds better as a defender in Thibs ssytem. DDV was not terrible but he was definitely one of the weaker defenders of the major minute guys on the team. Some of DDVs minutes will now go to McBride and he can be a closer for us defensively when we have a big lead.
3. Elite Floor spacing. 3 ball shooters from 1-5. Every position now will boast a 3 ball guy who can hit at 40% or near it. 5-out is how Boston won a championship last year and now we can play the same way for stretches of the game. KAT is one of the best 3 ball C/PFs in the history of the game.
4. Elite defenders 1-5 and players that can defend multiple positions. This might be the most important one of all. Thibs system thrives on defense. The one year we stunk under Thibs was when Kemba and Fournier got major minutes and were absolutely terrible on closing out and help defense. Terrible. KAT is not elite in some areas but he is a pretty strong 1 on 1 defender in recent years and much better than Randle was in this area. HE legit played solid D on Durant and excellent D on Jokic. He gives more effort here than Randle does and we purposely brought in one of the best big men coaches in the NBA to get the best out of him.
5. Better depth to survive injuries. This team has depth at every single position. Every single one. Even a guy like Marcus Morris is very good veteran depth to have in the frontcourt. If OG gets hurt we still have an elite defensive wing in Bridges to still execute Thibs defense.
Conclusion:
This team basically subbed out Randle and DDV for Bridges and KAT. And it is a big upgrade in terms of system fit for what THibs wants to do. This team beat EVERY team in the NBA last year including Minny, Denver, Boston etc. after getting OG. A strong defensive wing that can guard multiple positions is HUGE for Thibs system and now we added Bridges too! Bottomline, This is a truly a better fitting roster for what Thibs wants to do.
1.No ball dominant players besides Brunson. KAT is more a score within the flow kind of offensive guy who is either quick to make his decision to drive, shoot or pass. Less low IQ / ball stopping indecisive stuff that Randle had a habit of doing when he bully balled. This team had dominant stretches when they moved the ball around well and they are more ideally structured to do that now.
2. DDV out but McBride still here. THis is underrated point here. Yes I get DDV was a sharpshooter. But he was better as a starter than a bench player and Bridges was going to definitely eat into his minutes. But the big thing is is McBride is worlds better as a defender in Thibs ssytem. DDV was not terrible but he was definitely one of the weaker defenders of the major minute guys on the team. Some of DDVs minutes will now go to McBride and he can be a closer for us defensively when we have a big lead.
3. Elite Floor spacing. 3 ball shooters from 1-5. Every position now will boast a 3 ball guy who can hit at 40% or near it. 5-out is how Boston won a championship last year and now we can play the same way for stretches of the game. KAT is one of the best 3 ball C/PFs in the history of the game.
4. Elite defenders 1-5 and players that can defend multiple positions. This might be the most important one of all. Thibs system thrives on defense. The one year we stunk under Thibs was when Kemba and Fournier got major minutes and were absolutely terrible on closing out and help defense. Terrible. KAT is not elite in some areas but he is a pretty strong 1 on 1 defender in recent years and much better than Randle was in this area. HE legit played solid D on Durant and excellent D on Jokic. He gives more effort here than Randle does and we purposely brought in one of the best big men coaches in the NBA to get the best out of him.
5. Better depth to survive injuries. This team has depth at every single position. Every single one. Even a guy like Marcus Morris is very good veteran depth to have in the frontcourt. If OG gets hurt we still have an elite defensive wing in Bridges to still execute Thibs defense.
Conclusion:
This team basically subbed out Randle and DDV for Bridges and KAT. And it is a big upgrade in terms of system fit for what THibs wants to do. This team beat EVERY team in the NBA last year including Minny, Denver, Boston etc. after getting OG. A strong defensive wing that can guard multiple positions is HUGE for Thibs system and now we added Bridges too! Bottomline, This is a truly a better fitting roster for what Thibs wants to do.
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KnixinSix wrote:With a focus on defense and what he values most there as well as creating elite spacing for Brunson.
1.No ball dominant players besides Brunson. KAT is more a score within the flow kind of offensive guy who is either quick to make his decision to drive, shoot or pass. Less low IQ / ball stopping indecisive stuff that Randle had a habit of doing when he bully balled. This team had dominant stretches when they moved the ball around well and they are more ideally structured to do that now.
2. DDV out but McBride still here. THis is underrated point here. Yes I get DDV was a sharpshooter. But he was better as a starter than a bench player and Bridges was going to definitely eat into his minutes. But the big thing is is McBride is worlds better as a defender in Thibs ssytem. DDV was not terrible but he was definitely one of the weaker defenders of the major minute guys on the team. Some of DDVs minutes will now go to McBride and he can be a closer for us defensively when we have a big lead.
3. Elite Floor spacing. 3 ball shooters from 1-5. Every position now will boast a 3 ball guy who can hit at 40% or near it. 5-out is how Boston won a championship last year and now we can play the same way for stretches of the game. KAT is one of the best 3 ball C/PFs in the history of the game.
4. Elite defenders 1-5 and players that can defend multiple positions. This might be the most important one of all. Thibs system thrives on defense. The one year we stunk under Thibs was when Kemba and Fournier got major minutes and were absolutely terrible on closing out and help defense. Terrible. KAT is not elite in some areas but he is a pretty strong 1 on 1 defender in recent years and much better than Randle was in this area. HE legit played solid D on Durant and excellent D on Jokic. He gives more effort here than Randle does and we purposely brought in one of the best big men coaches in the NBA to get the best out of him.
5. Better depth to survive injuries. This team has depth at every single position. Every single one. Even a guy like Marcus Morris is very good veteran depth to have in the frontcourt. If OG gets hurt we still have an elite defensive wing in Bridges to still execute Thibs defense.
Conclusion:
This team basically subbed out Randle and DDV for Bridges and KAT. And it is a big upgrade in terms of system fit for what THibs wants to do. This team beat EVERY team in the NBA last year including Minny, Denver, Boston etc. after getting OG. A strong defensive wing that can guard multiple positions is HUGE for Thibs system and now we added Bridges too! Bottomline, This is a truly a better fitting roster for what Thibs wants to do.
Excellent post and summary!
@bold...never really liked to look at trades that way but I cant help but like this one...

Luka | Scotty |Dunn
Bane | Pritchard | Branham
Oubre | Jmac | Peyton
AD | Clarke | Jaylin
Chet | I.Jackson | Neemias
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Let's look at the dynamics and approximate minutes of this kind of rotation:
KAT (15), Robinson (23), Morris (10)
OG(25), KAT (17), Hart (6)
Bridges (25), Hart (15), OG(8)
Hart(10), Bridges (8), McBride (25), Payne (5)
Brunson (32), Payne(10), Kolek (6)
Depth:
Achiuwa
Schamet
McCullers
Dadiet
Hukportl
Sims
1. Offensive 'juggernaut' line-up
KAT
OG
Bridges
McBride
Brunson
-3 ball 1 to 5
-tremendous spacing
-Decent length/wingspan at most positions, not elite but still strong rebounding potential
-Not an elite defensive line-up but OG and Bridges make it still pretty good
-5 guys capable of 20+ scoring nights
2. 'Balanced' line-up
Robinson
KAT/OG/Hart
OG/Hart
Bridges/Hart
Brunson
-3 ball 1 to 4
-strong spacing
-Excellent length/wingspan at all positions except maybe the 1, near elite rebounding potential
-Near elite defensive line-up
3. 'Lock-Down' line-up
Robinson
OG
Bridges
Hart
McBride/Brunson
-3-4 best defenders on floor simultaneously
-not elite but good spacing
-Good length/wingspan at all positions except maybe the 1, near elite rebounding potential
-Lock down defensive line-up, 'protect the lead' at end of games line-up
KAT (15), Robinson (23), Morris (10)
OG(25), KAT (17), Hart (6)
Bridges (25), Hart (15), OG(8)
Hart(10), Bridges (8), McBride (25), Payne (5)
Brunson (32), Payne(10), Kolek (6)
Depth:
Achiuwa
Schamet
McCullers
Dadiet
Hukportl
Sims
1. Offensive 'juggernaut' line-up
KAT
OG
Bridges
McBride
Brunson
-3 ball 1 to 5
-tremendous spacing
-Decent length/wingspan at most positions, not elite but still strong rebounding potential
-Not an elite defensive line-up but OG and Bridges make it still pretty good
-5 guys capable of 20+ scoring nights
2. 'Balanced' line-up
Robinson
KAT/OG/Hart
OG/Hart
Bridges/Hart
Brunson
-3 ball 1 to 4
-strong spacing
-Excellent length/wingspan at all positions except maybe the 1, near elite rebounding potential
-Near elite defensive line-up
3. 'Lock-Down' line-up
Robinson
OG
Bridges
Hart
McBride/Brunson
-3-4 best defenders on floor simultaneously
-not elite but good spacing
-Good length/wingspan at all positions except maybe the 1, near elite rebounding potential
-Lock down defensive line-up, 'protect the lead' at end of games line-up
New reality of Son ship!
All who receive and believe in Jesus, given the right to become children of God. Not born of flesh, but born of Spirit. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Glory that came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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If we are healthy and get lucky, we will win this championship.
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KnixinSix wrote:With a focus on defense and what he values most there as well as creating elite spacing for Brunson.
1.No ball dominant players besides Brunson. KAT is more a score within the flow kind of offensive guy who is either quick to make his decision to drive, shoot or pass. Less low IQ / ball stopping indecisive stuff that Randle had a habit of doing when he bully balled. This team had dominant stretches when they moved the ball around well and they are more ideally structured to do that now.
2. DDV out but McBride still here. THis is underrated point here. Yes I get DDV was a sharpshooter. But he was better as a starter than a bench player and Bridges was going to definitely eat into his minutes. But the big thing is is McBride is worlds better as a defender in Thibs ssytem. DDV was not terrible but he was definitely one of the weaker defenders of the major minute guys on the team. Some of DDVs minutes will now go to McBride and he can be a closer for us defensively when we have a big lead.
3. Elite Floor spacing. 3 ball shooters from 1-5. Every position now will boast a 3 ball guy who can hit at 40% or near it. 5-out is how Boston won a championship last year and now we can play the same way for stretches of the game. KAT is one of the best 3 ball C/PFs in the history of the game.
4. Elite defenders 1-5 and players that can defend multiple positions. This might be the most important one of all. Thibs system thrives on defense. The one year we stunk under Thibs was when Kemba and Fournier got major minutes and were absolutely terrible on closing out and help defense. Terrible. KAT is not elite in some areas but he is a pretty strong 1 on 1 defender in recent years and much better than Randle was in this area. HE legit played solid D on Durant and excellent D on Jokic. He gives more effort here than Randle does and we purposely brought in one of the best big men coaches in the NBA to get the best out of him.
5. Better depth to survive injuries. This team has depth at every single position. Every single one. Even a guy like Marcus Morris is very good veteran depth to have in the frontcourt. If OG gets hurt we still have an elite defensive wing in Bridges to still execute Thibs defense.
Conclusion:
This team basically subbed out Randle and DDV for Bridges and KAT. And it is a big upgrade in terms of system fit for what THibs wants to do. This team beat EVERY team in the NBA last year including Minny, Denver, Boston etc. after getting OG. A strong defensive wing that can guard multiple positions is HUGE for Thibs system and now we added Bridges too! Bottomline, This is a truly a better fitting roster for what Thibs wants to do.
If we take last years final roster FULLY healthy- we could have won it all.
we are so much better than last year it's ridiculous.
we ended with:
Centers
Isaiah Hartenstein---Karl-Anthony Townes
Mitchell Robinson
Jericho Sims
Forwards
Julius Randle---Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Precious Achiuwa
Bogan Bogdanovic---Marcus Morris
2 Guard
Dante Divincenzo---Josh Hart
Josh Hart---Deuce McBride
Point Guard
Jalen Brunson
Deuce McBride---Tyler Kolek
Alec Burks---Cam Payne
I wish we were able to keep Dante, but Deuce is back at his natural position and Josh gives us more intangibles than Dante.
And I don't want to hear Marcus Morris is too old, he shoots 40% from 3 and Marcus Morris DOB 9/2/89,
Paul George DOB 5/2/90, 10 months difference and George just got a 4 year contract, so Mook is plenty good
enough until Dadiet is ready.
Kolek is so much more of a natural point guard than anyone we have, he will force his way on the court.
Let Jericho take the backuop C minutes until Mitch is FULLY healthy, and IF we can stay healthy we are
steamrolling everybody, including Boston.
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Ray Williams wrote:KnixinSix wrote:With a focus on defense and what he values most there as well as creating elite spacing for Brunson.
1.No ball dominant players besides Brunson. KAT is more a score within the flow kind of offensive guy who is either quick to make his decision to drive, shoot or pass. Less low IQ / ball stopping indecisive stuff that Randle had a habit of doing when he bully balled. This team had dominant stretches when they moved the ball around well and they are more ideally structured to do that now.
2. DDV out but McBride still here. THis is underrated point here. Yes I get DDV was a sharpshooter. But he was better as a starter than a bench player and Bridges was going to definitely eat into his minutes. But the big thing is is McBride is worlds better as a defender in Thibs ssytem. DDV was not terrible but he was definitely one of the weaker defenders of the major minute guys on the team. Some of DDVs minutes will now go to McBride and he can be a closer for us defensively when we have a big lead.
3. Elite Floor spacing. 3 ball shooters from 1-5. Every position now will boast a 3 ball guy who can hit at 40% or near it. 5-out is how Boston won a championship last year and now we can play the same way for stretches of the game. KAT is one of the best 3 ball C/PFs in the history of the game.
4. Elite defenders 1-5 and players that can defend multiple positions. This might be the most important one of all. Thibs system thrives on defense. The one year we stunk under Thibs was when Kemba and Fournier got major minutes and were absolutely terrible on closing out and help defense. Terrible. KAT is not elite in some areas but he is a pretty strong 1 on 1 defender in recent years and much better than Randle was in this area. HE legit played solid D on Durant and excellent D on Jokic. He gives more effort here than Randle does and we purposely brought in one of the best big men coaches in the NBA to get the best out of him.
5. Better depth to survive injuries. This team has depth at every single position. Every single one. Even a guy like Marcus Morris is very good veteran depth to have in the frontcourt. If OG gets hurt we still have an elite defensive wing in Bridges to still execute Thibs defense.
Conclusion:
This team basically subbed out Randle and DDV for Bridges and KAT. And it is a big upgrade in terms of system fit for what THibs wants to do. This team beat EVERY team in the NBA last year including Minny, Denver, Boston etc. after getting OG. A strong defensive wing that can guard multiple positions is HUGE for Thibs system and now we added Bridges too! Bottomline, This is a truly a better fitting roster for what Thibs wants to do.
If we take last years final roster FULLY healthy- we could have won it all.
we are so much better than last year it's ridiculous.
we ended with:
Centers
Isaiah Hartenstein---Karl-Anthony Townes
Mitchell Robinson
Jericho Sims
Forwards
Julius Randle---Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Precious Achiuwa
Bogan Bogdanovic---Marcus Morris
2 Guard
Dante Divincenzo---Josh Hart
Josh Hart---Deuce McBride
Point Guard
Jalen Brunson
Deuce McBride---Tyler Kolek
Alec Burks---Cam Payne
I wish we were able to keep Dante, but Deuce is back at his natural position and Josh gives us more intangibles than Dante.
And I don't want to hear Marcus Morris is too old, he shoots 40% from 3 and Marcus Morris DOB 9/2/89,
Paul George DOB 5/2/90, 10 months difference and George just got a 4 year contract, so Mook is plenty good
enough until Dadiet is ready.
Kolek is so much more of a natural point guard than anyone we have, he will force his way on the court.
Let Jericho take the backuop C minutes until Mitch is FULLY healthy, and IF we can stay healthy we are
steamrolling everybody, including Boston.
This is absolutely true. But this new version is almost definitely even better. You replaced two of our weaker defenders. With one that is a no doubt upgrade in Bridges vs DDV and the other is an underrated defender but quite a few metrics.
Secondly KAT has had some strong playoff performances while Randle has basically has 0 strong playoff performances.
New reality of Son ship!
All who receive and believe in Jesus, given the right to become children of God. Not born of flesh, but born of Spirit. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Glory that came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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All who receive and believe in Jesus, given the right to become children of God. Not born of flesh, but born of Spirit. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Glory that came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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I don't know if this was the master plan. Randle got injured last year which created more uncertainty around his future and his ability to perform in the playoffs. They lost iHart in free agency. Mitch was then reported to be out until possibly 2025. They now traded Randle plus DDV and whatever else needed to make up the $9M difference in salaries to take a huge gamble on KAT at $50M-$60M per
They have built a team around Brunson at this moment that consists of Hart, Mikal, an injury prone OG and Mitch along with KAT who has had his own injury issues. The depth of the team is still a relatively inexperienced McBride, Precious, who was completely out the rotation by the end of last year, some rookies and fringe NBA players some with non-guaranteed contracts.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the season plays out. It is an interesting mix of top end talent. I was ready to get off the potential $30-$40M Randle roller-coaster. Still not sure how I feel about potentially hopping on to $50-$60M KAT-coaster.
They have built a team around Brunson at this moment that consists of Hart, Mikal, an injury prone OG and Mitch along with KAT who has had his own injury issues. The depth of the team is still a relatively inexperienced McBride, Precious, who was completely out the rotation by the end of last year, some rookies and fringe NBA players some with non-guaranteed contracts.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the season plays out. It is an interesting mix of top end talent. I was ready to get off the potential $30-$40M Randle roller-coaster. Still not sure how I feel about potentially hopping on to $50-$60M KAT-coaster.
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JayTWill wrote:I don't know if this was the master plan. Randle got injured last year which created more uncertainty around his future and his ability to perform in the playoffs. They lost iHart in free agency. Mitch was then reported to be out until possibly 2025. They now traded Randle plus DDV and whatever else needed to make up the $9M difference in salaries to take a huge gamble on KAT at $50M-$60M per
They have built a team around Brunson at this moment that consists of Hart, Mikal, an injury prone OG and Mitch along with KAT who has had his own injury issues. The depth of the team is still a relatively inexperienced McBride, Precious, who was completely out the rotation by the end of last year, some rookies and fringe NBA players some with non-guaranteed contracts.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the season plays out. It is an interesting mix of top end talent. I was ready to get off the potential $30-$40M Randle roller-coaster. Still not sure how I feel about potentially hopping on to $50-$60M KAT-coaster.
Game 7, defending champs, on the road vs Jokic. How many playoff games has Randle done something anywhere close to this?
Gerson Rosas and hiring one of the best big men in the nba and then KPTVs very confident report on our KAT interest? Him being CAA to boot? I think it was destined behind the scenes more than we think
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KnixinSix wrote:JayTWill wrote:I don't know if this was the master plan. Randle got injured last year which created more uncertainty around his future and his ability to perform in the playoffs. They lost iHart in free agency. Mitch was then reported to be out until possibly 2025. They now traded Randle plus DDV and whatever else needed to make up the $9M difference in salaries to take a huge gamble on KAT at $50M-$60M per
They have built a team around Brunson at this moment that consists of Hart, Mikal, an injury prone OG and Mitch along with KAT who has had his own injury issues. The depth of the team is still a relatively inexperienced McBride, Precious, who was completely out the rotation by the end of last year, some rookies and fringe NBA players some with non-guaranteed contracts.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the season plays out. It is an interesting mix of top end talent. I was ready to get off the potential $30-$40M Randle roller-coaster. Still not sure how I feel about potentially hopping on to $50-$60M KAT-coaster.
Game 7, defending champs, on the road vs Jokic. How many playoff games has Randle done something anywhere close to this?
Gerson Rosas and hiring one of the best big men in the nba and then KPTVs very confident report on our KAT interest? Him being CAA to boot? I think it was destined behind the scenes more than we think
Yeah, I can see Rose and the CAA connections having interest in KAT but I don't think they planned on their center rotation getting completely decimated and building a team with multiple injury prone players with the .great "depth" of McBride, rookies and multiple guys that are barely hanging on in the league.
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Many thought Rose was going to come here and try to use his clout with antiquated stars to get some free agents to New York.
He straight up came here and built a contender from the ground up through:
*getting a credible coach who can give the Knicks an identity
*smooth tampering
*recognizing undervalued talent on the open market
*Being super shrewd with giving out contracts
*elite asset management
*well-timed aggressive trades
*Creating an ecosystem where his star can become a superstar
Only thing that can stop the Knicks from seeing the finals are injuries.
He straight up came here and built a contender from the ground up through:
*getting a credible coach who can give the Knicks an identity
*smooth tampering
*recognizing undervalued talent on the open market
*Being super shrewd with giving out contracts
*elite asset management
*well-timed aggressive trades
*Creating an ecosystem where his star can become a superstar
Only thing that can stop the Knicks from seeing the finals are injuries.

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i think he mostly just got lucky that the guy who was a godson to him ended up a much better player than anyone thought remotely possible. i don't think there was much of a master plan.
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Iron Mantis wrote:Many thought Rose was going to come here and try to use his clout with antiquated stars to get some free agents to New York.
He straight up came here and built a contender from the ground up through:
*getting a credible coach who can give the Knicks an identity
*smooth tampering
*recognizing undervalued talent on the open market
*Being super shrewd with giving out contracts
*elite asset management
*well-timed aggressive trades
*Creating an ecosystem where his star can become a superstar
Only thing that can stop the Knicks from seeing the finals are injuries.
It certainly turned out WAY different than expectation but that actually turned to be a very good thing!
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All who receive and believe in Jesus, given the right to become children of God. Not born of flesh, but born of Spirit. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Glory that came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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Re: Rose Master Plan Complete: Create best Thibs roster around Brunson
TS
brunson 58.8
mikal 59.7
OG 58.1
KAT 62.3
brunson 58.8
mikal 59.7
OG 58.1
KAT 62.3
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Re: Rose Master Plan Complete: Create best Thibs roster around Brunson
aggo wrote:TS
brunson 58.8
mikal 59.7
OG 58.1
KAT 62.3
How does that TS rank for starting 5s around the league? Maybe top 3?
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JayTWill wrote:KnixinSix wrote:JayTWill wrote:I don't know if this was the master plan. Randle got injured last year which created more uncertainty around his future and his ability to perform in the playoffs. They lost iHart in free agency. Mitch was then reported to be out until possibly 2025. They now traded Randle plus DDV and whatever else needed to make up the $9M difference in salaries to take a huge gamble on KAT at $50M-$60M per
They have built a team around Brunson at this moment that consists of Hart, Mikal, an injury prone OG and Mitch along with KAT who has had his own injury issues. The depth of the team is still a relatively inexperienced McBride, Precious, who was completely out the rotation by the end of last year, some rookies and fringe NBA players some with non-guaranteed contracts.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the season plays out. It is an interesting mix of top end talent. I was ready to get off the potential $30-$40M Randle roller-coaster. Still not sure how I feel about potentially hopping on to $50-$60M KAT-coaster.
Game 7, defending champs, on the road vs Jokic. How many playoff games has Randle done something anywhere close to this?
Gerson Rosas and hiring one of the best big men in the nba and then KPTVs very confident report on our KAT interest? Him being CAA to boot? I think it was destined behind the scenes more than we think
Yeah, I can see Rose and the CAA connections having interest in KAT but I don't think they planned on their center rotation getting completely decimated and building a team with multiple injury prone players with the .great "depth" of McBride, rookies and multiple guys that are barely hanging on in the league.
Every player that comes here seems to get a bit of an uptick in their offensive and defensive games. Some of KATs best years were under Thibs. Both are wiser and more mature now and the Knicks supporting coaching staff is one of the best in the entire NBA
I think Towns fit here even though some are touching upon it severely underrated. I believe it will have a really really huge effect. Kind of like how much a jump Boston took when they spaced 5 out with KP. They looked on another higher level than the year before.
Thibs demands his players play D and rebound. KAT is going to have an uptick there because he is capable of it.
With the spacing and the way we train up shooting techniques I also think he is going to be a shoe in as a 40+% 3 ball guy here as well.
Brunson is going to really cook on the onside. Hart with his drives is ALSO going to open up for him. Bridges too. So much versatility with what we can do both offensively and defensively.
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KnixinSix wrote:JayTWill wrote:I don't know if this was the master plan. Randle got injured last year which created more uncertainty around his future and his ability to perform in the playoffs. They lost iHart in free agency. Mitch was then reported to be out until possibly 2025. They now traded Randle plus DDV and whatever else needed to make up the $9M difference in salaries to take a huge gamble on KAT at $50M-$60M per
They have built a team around Brunson at this moment that consists of Hart, Mikal, an injury prone OG and Mitch along with KAT who has had his own injury issues. The depth of the team is still a relatively inexperienced McBride, Precious, who was completely out the rotation by the end of last year, some rookies and fringe NBA players some with non-guaranteed contracts.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the season plays out. It is an interesting mix of top end talent. I was ready to get off the potential $30-$40M Randle roller-coaster. Still not sure how I feel about potentially hopping on to $50-$60M KAT-coaster.
Game 7, defending champs, on the road vs Jokic. How many playoff games has Randle done something anywhere close to this?
Gerson Rosas and hiring one of the best big men in the nba and then KPTVs very confident report on our KAT interest? Him being CAA to boot? I think it was destined behind the scenes more than we think
I'm trying to get on board. Really. But most of these clips show me that the opposing team has such little respect for KAT's inside game that they send their smallest defender against him. And this is by design, not by some next level basketball IQ.
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Wildcat wrote:KnixinSix wrote:JayTWill wrote:I don't know if this was the master plan. Randle got injured last year which created more uncertainty around his future and his ability to perform in the playoffs. They lost iHart in free agency. Mitch was then reported to be out until possibly 2025. They now traded Randle plus DDV and whatever else needed to make up the $9M difference in salaries to take a huge gamble on KAT at $50M-$60M per
They have built a team around Brunson at this moment that consists of Hart, Mikal, an injury prone OG and Mitch along with KAT who has had his own injury issues. The depth of the team is still a relatively inexperienced McBride, Precious, who was completely out the rotation by the end of last year, some rookies and fringe NBA players some with non-guaranteed contracts.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the season plays out. It is an interesting mix of top end talent. I was ready to get off the potential $30-$40M Randle roller-coaster. Still not sure how I feel about potentially hopping on to $50-$60M KAT-coaster.
Game 7, defending champs, on the road vs Jokic. How many playoff games has Randle done something anywhere close to this?
Gerson Rosas and hiring one of the best big men in the nba and then KPTVs very confident report on our KAT interest? Him being CAA to boot? I think it was destined behind the scenes more than we think
I'm trying to get on board. Really. But most of these clips show me that the opposing team has such little respect for KAT's inside game that they send their smallest defender against him. And this is by design, not by some next level basketball IQ.
We have little choice now even as a KAT detractor to just hope for the best. The trade is not without risk I agree but there is most definitely upside for this to be a moderately to significantly better than if we kept DDV and Randle.
We have under this coaching staff unless your name is Fournier or Kemba Walker gotten the most out of our players. In fact as I mentioned above usually there is an uptick in a players game who comes over here from another team.
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KnixinSix wrote:Wildcat wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
Game 7, defending champs, on the road vs Jokic. How many playoff games has Randle done something anywhere close to this?
Gerson Rosas and hiring one of the best big men in the nba and then KPTVs very confident report on our KAT interest? Him being CAA to boot? I think it was destined behind the scenes more than we think
I'm trying to get on board. Really. But most of these clips show me that the opposing team has such little respect for KAT's inside game that they send their smallest defender against him. And this is by design, not by some next level basketball IQ.
We have little choice now even as a KAT detractor to just hope for the best. The trade is not without risk I agree but there is most definitely upside for this to be a moderately to significantly better than if we kept DDV and Randle.
We have under this coaching staff unless your name is Fournier or Kemba Walker gotten the most out of our players. In fact as I mentioned above usually there is an uptick in a players game who comes over here from another team.
If we're talking Randle for KAT, I'm resign to the fact. It's done. If this is the move Randle preferred, so be it. Losing DDV, though, suddenly turns the depth we were excited about into tremendous waters. Robinson/Kat/OG/Mikal/JB/Deuce/Josh/Precious leaves some questions.
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Wildcat wrote:KnixinSix wrote:Wildcat wrote:
I'm trying to get on board. Really. But most of these clips show me that the opposing team has such little respect for KAT's inside game that they send their smallest defender against him. And this is by design, not by some next level basketball IQ.
We have little choice now even as a KAT detractor to just hope for the best. The trade is not without risk I agree but there is most definitely upside for this to be a moderately to significantly better than if we kept DDV and Randle.
We have under this coaching staff unless your name is Fournier or Kemba Walker gotten the most out of our players. In fact as I mentioned above usually there is an uptick in a players game who comes over here from another team.
If we're talking Randle for KAT, I'm resign to the fact. It's done. If this is the move Randle preferred, so be it. Losing DDV, though, suddenly turns the depth we were excited about into tremendous waters. Robinson/Kat/OG/Mikal/JB/Deuce/Josh/Precious leaves some questions.
McBride is a significantly better defender and while not DDV offensively is growing each year and already a pretty good 3 ball shooter himself. And with KATs 40% 3 ball and Bridges decent 3 ball , I think we will be OK there.
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He is collecting injury prone players on untradeable contracts. Our whole front court consists of players who average less than 60 games a season. We may end up significantly worse than anyone’s expectations if they can’t all at the same time stay healthy. It was one thing to carry one risk in Anonoby but KAT multiplies the risk tremendously. Don’t be shocked if Precious/Sims become our PF/C lineup to start way too many games









