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Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:25 pm
by sol537
Like, dude's not even looking at the basket most of the time... I get that that it's pre-season and maybe he's a bit bummed over losing his friend DDV and that he's trying to make sure his fellow starters (the "Big 4") are eating on offense, but he's going to have to attack openings to keep defenses offense.
Hart should be able to be highly efficient on offense this season because he's going to get a ton of open looks and open lanes. He's just gotta be very opportunistic with the starters and then rev it up when the bench comes in and go into attack mode during those minutes.
Which Josh Hart will we get this season? The one that came out firing after the initial trade and during the Philly playoff series or the hesitant Jost Hart?
My concern level right now: 6 out of 10.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:28 pm
by Stannis
Honestly, yes.
He's coming off as a "locker room guy" lately, which is a nice way of saying his shot is broken with no signs of coming back.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:30 pm
by sol537
Stannis wrote:Honestly, yes.
He's coming off as a "locker room" lately, which is a nice way of saying his shot is broken with no signs of coming back.
I guess Thibs gives him 5 games as a starter before, perhaps, going to Precious as the starter with Hart as the main 6th man still getting his usual minutes?
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:33 pm
by Fat
To me he is just surveying the field. Theirs been multiple plays where I think he knows he can drive and score or make an open shot but turned it down ultimately.
Hart is playing chess out there
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:41 pm
by sol537
Fat wrote:To me he is just surveying the field. Theirs been multiple plays where I think he knows he can drive and score or make an open shot but turned it down ultimately.
Hart is playing chess out there
I hope you're right! Dude is too good to have zero points.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:43 pm
by Stannis
sol537 wrote:Stannis wrote:Honestly, yes.
He's coming off as a "locker room" lately, which is a nice way of saying his shot is broken with no signs of coming back.
I guess Thibs gives him 5 games as a starter before, perhaps, going to Precious as the starter with Hart as the main 6th man still getting his usual minutes?
It's tricky. If he can't score with the first unit, I'm not sure he's the guy we want with the 2nd unit.
He can still start. But maybe redo the rotations where he's basically a 6th man.
I also think KAT can still play PF if/when Mitch returns. I'm not sure how I feel about KAT being our "lone bigman" since he's been accustomed playing to the DPOY (Gobert) for 2 years now.
OG is also injury prone, and guarding bigger guys at the 4 is probably not good for his body.
Brunson
Bridges
OG
KAT
Mitch
Brunson
Bridges
OG
Precious
KAT
That could work too. Make Hart a 6th man .
But honestly, I'm worried unless his fixes his shot. We saw him last post-season laugh off some of his bad shooting games. But if we really want to move forward, he's gotta start getting easy buckets. This isn't a laughing mater.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:46 pm
by sol537
Stannis wrote:sol537 wrote:Stannis wrote:Honestly, yes.
He's coming off as a "locker room" lately, which is a nice way of saying his shot is broken with no signs of coming back.
I guess Thibs gives him 5 games as a starter before, perhaps, going to Precious as the starter with Hart as the main 6th man still getting his usual minutes?
It's tricky. If he can't score with the first unit, I'm not sure he's the guy we want with the 2nd unit.
He can still start. But maybe redo the rotations where he's basically a 6th man.
I also think KAT can still play PF if/when Mitch returns. I'm not sure how I feel about KAT being our "lone bigman" since he's been accustomed playing to the DPOY (Gobert) for 2 years now.
OG is also injury prone, and guarding bigger guys at the 4 is probably not good for his body.
Brunson
Bridges
OG
KAT
Mitch
Brunson
Bridges
OG
Precious
KAT
That could work too. Make Hart a 6th man .
But honestly, I'm worried unless his fixes his shot. We saw him last post-season laugh his some of his bad shooting days. But if we really want to move forward, he's gotta start getting easy buckets.
I mean, Hart shot great in the Philly series. It's in there... somewhere.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:54 pm
by Capn'O
He probably has a bet that the Knicks can win all their preseason games without him scoring.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:57 pm
by Manhattan Project
If you put any stock into the podcast, I'm sure he doesn't even care if he scores. A brand new team, new big time feature players, I'm more curious how they gel whether or not Hart hits a three.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:58 pm
by Deeeez Knicks
He's our Draymond Green...does a little bit of everything
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:03 pm
by Context
Absolutely NOT!
We have more than enough offense.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:04 pm
by sol537
Context wrote:Absolutely NOT!
We have more than enough offense.
What if teams just stop defending him at all and he forgets what it feels like to score...

Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:25 pm
by Context
sol537 wrote:Context wrote:Absolutely NOT!
We have more than enough offense.
What if teams just stop defending him at all and he forgets what it feels like to score...

and how did that work out for Philly last year sol?

Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:27 pm
by Capn'O
sol537 wrote:Context wrote:Absolutely NOT!
We have more than enough offense.
What if teams just stop defending him at all and he forgets what it feels like to score...

He'll remember. He's Josh MFing Hart.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:37 pm
by Guano
We are fortunate that jHart is the worst 3 point shooter in the the starting lineup.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:42 pm
by BKlutch
Capn'O wrote:sol537 wrote:Context wrote:Absolutely NOT!
We have more than enough offense.
What if teams just stop defending him at all and he forgets what it feels like to score...

He'll remember. He's Josh MFing Hart.
Take that, MFers.
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:44 pm
by gavran
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:54 pm
by DaGawd
i trust him to show up when the games actually matter
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:55 pm
by 3toheadmelo
Guano wrote:We are fortunate that jHart is the worst 3 point shooter in the the starting lineup.
We are unfortunate you’re destroying the forum
Re: Should we be concerned that Hart is essentially scoreless in pre-season?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:59 pm
by MrDollarBills
Hart's job is to defend, rebound and push in transition, and help facilitate so I'm not concerned at all. It's also preseason