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Have at it. After tonight’s loss, it’s clear to see we cannot win a ring with this idiot at the helm.
- No in game adjustments
- Stubborn with rotations, playing 6 guys damn near 40 minutes with Kolek, Huk, Dadiet, Ryan rot on the bench in NOVEMBER NOT JUNE
- Took 25 games before realizing Divo was better than Grimes at the starting 2 last year
- Grinding players to dust game after game playing them too many minutes
- No offensive creativity

I’m going insane watching this guy coach us.

So who should be the next coach? I don’t know how to add a poll to my thread, but My vote is Jay Wright, though Hurley would be up there as well

We were 5-5 to start the season last year and we have a better team this year with significantly more new pieces …perspective

It usually takes Tommy about 20 games or so to adjust his lineups and rotations if its not set at training camp (which it isn't: Mitch is still out and both Shamet and Precious are on the shelf; they were suppose to be in the rotation this season)

It's still early, relax, he and Brunson will have it down pact.

my belief is Thibs is a great floor raiser coach. he will take a team that should win 40 games and get you 44-47 wins based on just pushing guys and treating every game as a must win.

that doesn't work in the playoffs and isn't how you win a championship.

one major red flag to me is look at our offense out of timeouts... it's rarely successful compared to other teams that almost always generate a quality shot from a designed set. thibs offense relies way too much on guys just reading/reacting.

he also rarely adjusts defensive coverages. guys will make 4+ wide open 3s before he's like "hmm maybe we shouldn't keep leaving him open"

as far as who to replace him? i dunno. have to hope we can find a good young coach. will never happen though we would go after a big name.

At this point I’d rather have D’Antoni back

spree8 wrote:At this point I’d rather have D’Antoni back

Too far

I don't see us firing him, but even if we did there is legit nobody to go after. Mike Bud and Kenny Atkinson were available for a good while if we wanted to get a Thibs replacement. Unless you want to go to someone with zero NBA head coaching experience.

Dan Hurley or Jay Wright. Hurley is younger so I’d prefer him.

Big FatKAT wrote:We were 5-5 to start the season last year and we have a better team this year with significantly more new pieces …perspective

Last year he drove players into the ground, played reduced rotations, left guys in during blowouts and that came back to bite us in the ass in the end and he's doing it again.

Playing that short of a rotation yesterday is inexcusable and it's been going on for years now. That is the perspective a lot of people have.

sol537 wrote:Dan Hurley or Jay Wright. Hurley is younger so I’d prefer him.

Hurley isn't an NBA coach

Great NCAA coach, would not translate well.

sol537 wrote:Dan Hurley or Jay Wright. Hurley is younger so I’d prefer him.

Stay away from my Huskies

Having said that, Wright seems to be where we were headed for a moment.
IDK, we broke up the magic with the collecting of the Nova-Knicks. Donte just played really well off of JB. I think we miss our usual advantage on the boards. I would like to see more Towns at the 4, even if paired with Jericho or Ariel at the 5, just want to see if us being able to bully a little would re-ignite the club.

I really hate Hart in the starting 5, he really makes our bench a weapon.

I don't know if another coach can get more out of this team. Just think we need some roster tweaks.

Ima keep saying it but we gave Thibs an Anti Thibs roster. He's not the guy who's gonna adjust to his personnel. But he doesn't deserve all of the blame either imo. Still don't really like KAT long term at the 5 and Mikal just hasn't played defense in years. It's a tough situation all around in my eyes and I don't know how this is gonna be fixed.

I mean the real issue is that the most important position on the floor defensively is Center (especially for a Thibs coached team) and that's where the Knicks are just currently the most injured. I think we'll look a lot better when we get Precious back and he could give us 15-25 minutes a night at both the 4 and 5 next to KAT. Obviously Mitch too although I think he'll eventually be traded for something.

KAT having to play C basically full time is really what's killing our defense.

Sims is unplayable and the only alternative right now is Hukporti. He is a late 2nd round pick and also bad defensively. Even if maybe he has a little more upside than Sims does I don't think it would change anything at least rotationally considering he's a pure 5.

There's a lot of evidence the Knicks have been more unlucky than bad but still the 3 point defense is concerning. However, I think it's more of a domino effect of not having reliable rim protection on the back end. Teams know if they can get people driving at KAT, then the Knicks are going to over help to compensate which allows the open 3's we've seen. On top of that, Mikal has been disappointing, especially, on defense. Part of the calculus for the Knicks to be good was that even if they took a hit on the backline defensively, their point of attack and wing defense could compensate a lot for it. Mikal's screen navigation has been bad and it's allowed guards to get in the paint way too often.

Also all coaches have a blind spot. Thibs blind spot is obviously trusting back end of rotation guys to do a job. But obviously he brings other positives to the table as a coach. Most Thibs teams are a slow burn anyway. Almost all of our seasons have started out this way and then the Knicks around December/January start to rip off wins. This forum doesn't do patience very well and this team just needs patience. They are still top 10 in Net Rating and the only team in the top 10 that is below .500. Most guys that the Knicks could get to replace him, who may be considered an upgrade, would be guys that have been out of head coaching for a long time (Jay Wright, JVG, etc.) or Top college guys who we have no idea if they translate to the pros. An assistant is not getting this job given what the expectations are.

While most cry that we are losing the math battle, it's not really based in any reality. We're a top 5 offensive team even with the flaws we know exist. Brunson hasn't truly gotten going and Mikal's shooting slump will eventually subside IMO although his form may have fuqqed his above the break 3 potential.

People are complaining Thibs is too old school to adapt but the Knicks the past two seasons have floated around the top 10 in 3 point FG frequency. I think it's more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue. Brunson prefers the mid range and driving. KAT prefers to post and drive rather than chuck threes. Mikal and OG almost exclusively shoot from the corners. Thibs needs to adapt a bit more but the personnel is the personnel at some point. I think the lowest hanging fruit is to get KAT and Brunson to get more 3's up, but then you may see some diminishing returns on their elite mid and post games. Getting Mikal to get more trigger happy would help too but the problem is he's been awful above the break. SO telling him to shoot more shots he's likely to miss seems like a bad idea.

I think getting Shamet or Ryan in there to just fire away for 10-15 minutes could help.

This is a lot of unorganized thoughts I had so I just put him in here

Knicksfan1992 wrote:I mean the real issue is that the most important position on the floor defensively is Center (especially for a Thibs coached team) and that's where the Knicks are just currently the most injured. I think we'll look a lot better when we get Precious back and he could give us 15-25 minutes a night at both the 4 and 5 next to KAT. Obviously Mitch too although I think he'll eventually be traded for something.

KAT having to play C basically full time is really what's killing our defense.

Sims is unplayable and the only alternative right now is Hukporti. He is a late 2nd round pick and also bad defensively. Even if maybe he has a little more upside than Sims does I don't think it would change anything at least rotationally considering he's a pure 5.

There's a lot of evidence the Knicks have been more unlucky than bad but still the 3 point defense is concerning. However, I think it's more of a domino effect of not having reliable rim protection on the back end. Teams know if they can get people driving at KAT, then the Knicks are going to over help to compensate which allows the open 3's we've seen. On top of that, Mikal has been disappointing, especially, on defense. Part of the calculus for the Knicks to be good was that even if they took a hit on the backline defensively, their point of attack and wing defense could compensate a lot for it. Mikal's screen navigation has been bad and it's allowed guards to get in the paint way too often.

Also all coaches have a blind spot. Thibs blind spot is obviously trusting back end of rotation guys to do a job. But obviously he brings other positives to the table as a coach. Most Thibs teams are a slow burn anyway. Almost all of our seasons have started out this way and then the Knicks around December/January start to rip off wins. This forum doesn't do patience very well and this team just needs patience. They are still top 10 in Net Rating and the only team in the top 10 that is below .500. Most guys that the Knicks could get to replace him, who may be considered an upgrade, would be guys that have been out of head coaching for a long time (Jay Wright, JVG, etc.) or Top college guys who we have no idea if they translate to the pros. An assistant is not getting this job given what the expectations are.

While most cry that we are losing the math battle, it's not really based in any reality. We're a top 5 offensive team even with the flaws we know exist. Brunson hasn't truly gotten going and Mikal's shooting slump will eventually subside IMO although his form may have fuqqed his above the break 3 potential.

People are complaining Thibs is too old school to adapt but the Knicks the past two seasons have floated around the top 10 in 3 point FG frequency. I think it's more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue. Brunson prefers the mid range and driving. KAT prefers to post and drive rather than chuck threes. Mikal and OG almost exclusively shoot from the corners. Thibs needs to adapt a bit more but the personnel is the personnel at some point. I think the lowest hanging fruit is to get KAT and Brunson to get more 3's up, but then you may see some diminishing returns on their elite mid and post games. Getting Mikal to get more trigger happy would help too but the problem is he's been awful above the break. SO telling him to shoot more shots he's likely to miss seems like a bad idea.

I think getting Shamet or Ryan in there to just fire away for 10-15 minutes could help.

This is a lot of unorganized thoughts I had so I just put him in here

That's how I look at it as well. Too many times I see us overhelping for KAT and it leads to an open 3. Thibs teams traditionnaly has a rim protector at C but now we're trying to use all of our wings to help out KAT and it's made our defense so much worse than it has been ever. I'm honestly not even sure if the Knicks will play KAT at the 4 when Precious/Mitch comes back. KAT was saying a couple days ago he thinks hes better at the 5.

3toheadmelo wrote:

Knicksfan1992 wrote:I mean the real issue is that the most important position on the floor defensively is Center (especially for a Thibs coached team) and that's where the Knicks are just currently the most injured. I think we'll look a lot better when we get Precious back and he could give us 15-25 minutes a night at both the 4 and 5 next to KAT. Obviously Mitch too although I think he'll eventually be traded for something.

KAT having to play C basically full time is really what's killing our defense.

Sims is unplayable and the only alternative right now is Hukporti. He is a late 2nd round pick and also bad defensively. Even if maybe he has a little more upside than Sims does I don't think it would change anything at least rotationally considering he's a pure 5.

There's a lot of evidence the Knicks have been more unlucky than bad but still the 3 point defense is concerning. However, I think it's more of a domino effect of not having reliable rim protection on the back end. Teams know if they can get people driving at KAT, then the Knicks are going to over help to compensate which allows the open 3's we've seen. On top of that, Mikal has been disappointing, especially, on defense. Part of the calculus for the Knicks to be good was that even if they took a hit on the backline defensively, their point of attack and wing defense could compensate a lot for it. Mikal's screen navigation has been bad and it's allowed guards to get in the paint way too often.

Also all coaches have a blind spot. Thibs blind spot is obviously trusting back end of rotation guys to do a job. But obviously he brings other positives to the table as a coach. Most Thibs teams are a slow burn anyway. Almost all of our seasons have started out this way and then the Knicks around December/January start to rip off wins. This forum doesn't do patience very well and this team just needs patience. They are still top 10 in Net Rating and the only team in the top 10 that is below .500. Most guys that the Knicks could get to replace him, who may be considered an upgrade, would be guys that have been out of head coaching for a long time (Jay Wright, JVG, etc.) or Top college guys who we have no idea if they translate to the pros. An assistant is not getting this job given what the expectations are.

While most cry that we are losing the math battle, it's not really based in any reality. We're a top 5 offensive team even with the flaws we know exist. Brunson hasn't truly gotten going and Mikal's shooting slump will eventually subside IMO although his form may have fuqqed his above the break 3 potential.

People are complaining Thibs is too old school to adapt but the Knicks the past two seasons have floated around the top 10 in 3 point FG frequency. I think it's more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue. Brunson prefers the mid range and driving. KAT prefers to post and drive rather than chuck threes. Mikal and OG almost exclusively shoot from the corners. Thibs needs to adapt a bit more but the personnel is the personnel at some point. I think the lowest hanging fruit is to get KAT and Brunson to get more 3's up, but then you may see some diminishing returns on their elite mid and post games. Getting Mikal to get more trigger happy would help too but the problem is he's been awful above the break. SO telling him to shoot more shots he's likely to miss seems like a bad idea.

I think getting Shamet or Ryan in there to just fire away for 10-15 minutes could help.

This is a lot of unorganized thoughts I had so I just put him in here

That's how I look at it as well. Too many times I see us overhelping for KAT and it leads to an open 3. Thibs teams traditionnaly has a rim protector at C but now we're trying to use all of our wings to help out KAT and it's made our defense so much worse than it has been ever. I'm honestly not even sure if the Knicks will play KAT at the 4 when Precious/Mitch comes back. KAT was saying a couple days ago he thinks hes better at the 5.

Mitch or Precious at the 4 might just work. Not a great comparison but think Camby next to Ewing. Just have Mitch be a secondary roaming defender, blocking shots, grabbing offense rebounds and bringing energy. The paint will still be wide open for Mitch to feast on the boards. Of course for all of this to work Thibs gotta get a little creative so none of it will probably happen.

3toheadmelo wrote:Ima keep saying it but we gave Thibs an Anti Thibs roster. He's not the guy who's gonna adjust to his personnel. But he doesn't deserve all of the blame either imo. Still don't really like KAT long term at the 5 and Mikal just hasn't played defense in years. It's a tough situation all around in my eyes and I don't know how this is gonna be fixed.

I was thinking about this after last night's game and I get your point. This roster isn't a thibs roster. The cook and the ingredients aren't aligned.

This is the problem I see starting Mitch might make us better considering our coach but it's not maximizing our roster and limits our ability to contend.

Now we can debate if our team is a true contender with this roster if we had a coach that utilizing them to the best of their ability.

I guess I'm just ready to move on. I can't help think how ugly this sht is going to get when og goes down. And I'm sick of watching other teams get their shots right cause we give up so many wide open 3s cause Tommy is worried about the paint.

And idk who to hire. Like someone else said last night unless the season craters it's not happening until after a poor playoff performance.

I just hope he doesn't get an injury pass by being the cause of running guys into the ground.

Putting in another big would only exacerbate the issues imo

We've been like this for years, even with Mitch in we overcorrect to defend the paint and leave shooters open. Having KAT at the 4 negates his spacing advantage while also not fixing the problem. Drop coverage isn't a winning strategy in 2024 unless you have an elite defensive C and everyone on the same page defensively with regards to rotations.

Jay Wright, because clearly he wants to leave being a minor deity at Villanova for all the abuse that will get heaped on him in NYC 10 games into his tenure here.

spree8 wrote:At this point I’d rather have D’Antoni back

No, stooop!