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I am certain this will either be one of the best or one of the worst MCU movies. No in between. Please tell me they actually beat the bad guy instead of just the bad guy being talked down or whatever

dakomish23 wrote:I am certain this will either be one of the best or one of the worst MCU movies. No in between. Please tell me they actually beat the bad guy instead of just the bad guy being talked down or whatever

I saw the trailers and it looks kinda funny...like in a GOG way...I m thinking it might be good, but maybe not great.

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Meh, wasnt the worst, but wasnt very good. Hopefully others will enjoy it more than I did. Mad I took a half day of work to see this sh#t. Would have waited to see it online if I knew it was this bad. 6.5

Now I feel bad for bringing this movie up in the Sinner's thread, which I still haven't seen but I plan too. I had high hopes for this one. I think David Harbour can be funny. I'm not invested in Bucky or Yelena or the Julia Louis Dreyfus character. Bucky & Yelena are OK I guess. I like the Ghost character, at least, I liked her in Antman. There's enough to work with, but it needs a good script.

The problem with copying a Guardians approach is that Chris Pratt can do comedy and Dave Bautista was a genius, and they had a tree and a racoon, and Gamora was great in her own way, kind of angry and tough and the chemistry between all the lead characters was great. There was enough stupidity in the lead characters that a lot of things could have happened.

Probably a winter soldier kind of facing the dark side and rising up to confront it could work and the commercials kind of gave that impression some. Granted, I haven't seen this yet, but I was looking forward to it. I'd love to get some good MCU stuff again.

Daredevil born again was, I thought, pretty amazing. Maybe their best series since Wanda Vision. Granted, opinions may vary, but I liked that recent Daredevil series a lot.

This was pretty good and they managed to make a super hero film about mental health.

I am in love with Florence Pugh.

Underwhelming. These are deep cut characters that they didn't give you much to care about. Taskmaster was wasted.

The movie was very try hard but the kind of silly fun that GotG was.

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Mixed bag for me. Not really something I could wholeheartedly recommend.

I still feel that the best movie marvel has made since 2021 was Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.

Since that film we’ve gotten Eternals, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder, Wakanda Forever, Quantumania, GOTG Vol. 3, The Marvels, Deadpool & Wolverine, Brave New World, Thunderbolts

Those movies are just so unmemorable to me across the board.

Buttah304 wrote:Mixed bag for me. Not really something I could wholeheartedly recommend.

I still feel that the best movie marvel has made since 2021 was Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.

Since that film we’ve gotten Eternals, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder, Wakanda Forever, Quantumania, GOTG Vol. 3, The Marvels, Deadpool & Wolverine, Brave New World, Thunderbolts

Those movies are just so unmemorable to me across the board.

Wakanda Forever waa the best for me. Shang Chi. The others were tired.

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It’s getting to the point I worry that the upcoming bigger Marvel movies will be bad too. It’s like they caught lightning in a bottle and don’t know how to get back to that level of quality in movies again.

WargamesX wrote:It’s getting to the point I worry that the upcoming bigger Marvel movies will be bad too. It’s like they caught lightning in a bottle and don’t know how to get back to that level of quality in movies again.

A lot will be riding on how they handle Fantastic Four. The trailer looked good except for the bad CGI on the female Silver surfer, Hopefully what I saw was a rough cut photo.

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Buttah304 wrote:Mixed bag for me. Not really something I could wholeheartedly recommend.

I still feel that the best movie marvel has made since 2021 was Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.

Since that film we’ve gotten Eternals, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder, Wakanda Forever, Quantumania, GOTG Vol. 3, The Marvels, Deadpool & Wolverine, Brave New World, Thunderbolts

Those movies are just so unmemorable to me across the board.

Wakanda Forever waa the best for me. Shang Chi. The others were tired.

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I was bored in Wakanda Forever. I guess we all have our preferences, ,but we all agree, it's been a mediocre to bad stretch for the MCU.

I agree with the first poster, Shang Chi was fun, but mixed bag to quite poor after that.

I disagree, I thought this film was solid and it was one of the first Marvel films I've seen really tackle a difficult subject regarding mental health and they nailed it. Florence Pugh's acting being the emotional center of the film really worked out well. The fact her character was dealing with grief from loss, depression, guilt and alcoholism was a lot and they pulled it off in a solid manner.

This was basically her character's film, which was a huge selling point for me since she was the stand out performer in Black Widow.

Iron Man 3 and Wakanda Forever dealt with these themes as well. Same with GoTG 3. I was bored by the film. The jokes weren't funny. They just threw Suoerman into a spy thriller without a mystery as to what the villain was doing or was.

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Iron Man 3 and Wakanda Forever dealt with these themes as well. Same with GoTG 3. I was bored by the film. The jokes weren't funny. They just threw Suoerman into a spy thriller without a mystery as to what the villain was doing or was.

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I thought Yelena, Bob, Red Guardian and Walker were hilarious but it's subjective.

When Bucky had to fight a methed out Bob in a chicken costume i lost it

Re: mental health/grief, yeah very true but Yelena's break down of what she was dealing with hit home with me personally as someone who has dealt with that stuff. Like the "void" she was referring to was definitely a reference to her having suicidal thoughts, and when they showed her passed out on the floor with an empty vodka bottle...that resonated. I think they went in a lot deeper than IM3 did with Tony's PTSD or Shuri's grief and depression from Wakanda Forever.

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WargamesX wrote:It’s getting to the point I worry that the upcoming bigger Marvel movies will be bad too. It’s like they caught lightning in a bottle and don’t know how to get back to that level of quality in movies again.

A lot will be riding on how they handle Fantastic Four. The trailer looked good except for the bad CGI on the female Silver surfer, Hopefully what I saw was a rough cut photo.

From an IP standpoint it’s really risky to rely on the FF to be the basis for a resurgence. This is the fourth attempt to get it right.

WargamesX wrote:

RHODEY wrote:

WargamesX wrote:It’s getting to the point I worry that the upcoming bigger Marvel movies will be bad too. It’s like they caught lightning in a bottle and don’t know how to get back to that level of quality in movies again.

A lot will be riding on how they handle Fantastic Four. The trailer looked good except for the bad CGI on the female Silver surfer, Hopefully what I saw was a rough cut photo.

From an IP standpoint it’s really risky to rely on the FF to be the basis for a resurgence. This is the fourth attempt to get it right.

Yeah. The FF has yet to really find a groove. Capt America was Johnny Storm at one point. They really haven't made a good movie or solidified the cast at any point.

The X Men did a decent job after a while. It was just dragged out over how many years?

Looks like just another restart set in the 60s this time? Same basic story with yet another new cast. They have to hope they get it right this time.

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WargamesX wrote:

RHODEY wrote:A lot will be riding on how they handle Fantastic Four. The trailer looked good except for the bad CGI on the female Silver surfer, Hopefully what I saw was a rough cut photo.

From an IP standpoint it’s really risky to rely on the FF to be the basis for a resurgence. This is the fourth attempt to get it right.

Yeah. The FF has yet to really find a groove. Capt America was Johnny Storm at one point. They really haven't made a good movie or solidified the cast at any point.

The X Men did a decent job after a while. It was just dragged out over how many years?

Looks like just another restart set in the 60s this time? Same basic story with yet another new cast. They have to hope they get it right this time.

There's the money aspect, and that's all the studio (I blame auto correct) cares about. They want big bucks. My guess is that Thunderbolts will do OK in the theaters, but it won't be a home run. From the money perspective, the Spiderman films and X-men films were successes, well, until the x-men films weren't. Marvel has them back now and that's a potential cash cow, but only if it's done right.

As a fan, I care about the quality and something that sometimes gets overlooked, rewatchability. The x-men movies were fine, but I don't consider them rewatchable. It was just fun seeing comic characters on screen, but there wasn't a lot of depth. What the MCU nailed in a way that X-men did not was they felt like real people. Steve Rodgers, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner (and, respect to Edward Norton, but Mark Ruffalo comes across as an actual person with a big green curse so much better), even Thor was a real character because they made him human before they gave him his powers back. That's what made the MCU great. It felt like a human drama, with a diverse cast, and superpowers was the backdrop. Scott Lang too, much more like a person you'd like. Some of the characters are flat, like Falcon and I'd throw Scarlett Johanson in there. She's not bad, but she's not complex.

Or Guardians, where they can get silly and go outside what you'd get with normal people. A racoon that people call Rodent or Rabbit. Drax. Groot. Yondu threatening to eat people. It's unusual, but it works.

That's what they're going for, and I think they know that just flashy stories (Thor Ragnarok was great, but Love and Thunder sucked in my opinion, and Multiverse of Madness had no heart. It was just a bunch of stuff that happened. I think James Gunn tried with Guardians 3, and it was OK, but it felt too overl-stuffed and it moved too far away from the fun and light story that guardians 1 was. The only recent one I liked was Deadpool & Wolverine and that wasn't even realy MCU, it was written by Ryan Reynold's deadpool writers, with just some MCU oversight.

If they can regain that "wow that was good, a good story not just powers", tell your friends and see it in theaters twice and all that.

Regarding the FF and later with the x-men, then I think they have a shot at their goal of more billions and the fans wish for great movies coming together. Just having Galactus isn't enough though a physical galactus is better than a cloud, but they need to create the Fantastic Four family that feels like a family. In a way, dating it back to the 60s is smart, it's like the father knows best era. They can do things during a simpler time and make the story feel quaint. Maybe reference the moon landings and a different era and al that.

Fun sidebar, it's a lady silver surfer in this FF film. That's the kind of thing people hate. The reason for this is because it's a different universe. They probably will bring in the real silver surfer if all goes well in later films, but they didn't want to use Warren Radd in the first film. If the plan was a one-off, then they'd use Warren Radd, but they want this film to be a springboard into secret wars and another step into the multiverse (which so far, Multiverse of Madness and the reference at the end of the Marvels, I think has missed more than it's hit the target).

I don't know if they'll pull it off. But I'm optimistic with FF. Less so with x-men. I think a realy good x-men movie is hard to do. I think First Class and Days of Future Past were very good. It's going to be hard to do the character building with the x-men, the way they did with Cap and Iron Man and Thor and Antman - each getting a solo movie before they were brought together.

I'm rambling, and I've done enough writing and reading to know that story telling and making good movies is hard. That's why there's a lot of bad ones, but as an x-men fan and a marvel fan, I hope they pull it off.

Too much?

There's the money aspect, and that's all the study cares about. Big bucks. My guess is that Thunderbolts will do OK in the theaters, but it won't be a home run. From the money perspective, the Spiderman films and X-men films were successes, well, until the x-men films weren't. Marvel has them back now and that's a potential cash cow, but only if it's done right.

As a fan, I care about the quality and something that sometimes gets overlooked, rewatchability. The x-men movies were fine, but I don't consider them rewatchable. It was just fun seeing comic characters on screen, but there wasn't a lot of depth. What the MCU nailed in a way that X-men did not was they felt like real people. Steve Rodgers, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner (and, respect to Edward Norton, but Mark Ruffalo comes across as an actual person with a big green curse so much better), even Thor was a real character because they made him human before they gave him his powers back. That's what made the MCU great. It felt like a human drama, with a diverse cast, and superpowers was the backdrop. Scott Lang too, much more like a person you'd like. Some of the characters are flat, like Falcon and I'd throw Scarlett Johanson in there. She's not bad, but she's not complex.

Or Guardians, where they can get silly and go outside what you'd get with normal people. A racoon that people call Rodent or Rabbit. Drax. Groot. Yondu threatening to eat people. It's unusual, but it works.

That's what they're going for, and I think they know that just flashy stories (Thor Ragnarok was great, but Love and Thunder sucked in my opinion, and Multiverse of Madness had no heart. It was just a bunch of stuff that happened. I think James Gunn tried with Guardians 3, and it was OK, but it felt too overl-stuffed and it moved too far away from the fun and light story that guardians 1 was. The only recent one I liked was Deadpool & Wolverine and that wasn't even realy MCU, it was written by Ryan Reynold's deadpool writers, with just some MCU oversight.

If they can regain that "wow that was good, a good story not just powers", tell your friends and see it in theaters twice and all that.

Regarding the FF and later with the x-men, then I think they have a shot at their goal of more billions and the fans wish for great movies coming together. Just having Galactus isn't enough though a physical galactus is better than a cloud, but they need to create the Fantastic Four family that feels like a family. In a way, dating it back to the 60s is smart, it's like the father knows best era. They can do things during a simpler time and make the story feel quaint. Maybe reference the moon landings and a different era and al that.

Fun sidebar, it's a lady silver surfer in this FF film. That's the kind of thing people hate. The reason for this is because it's a different universe. They probably will bring in the real silver surfer if all goes well in later films, but they didn't want to use Warren Radd in the first film. If the plan was a one-off, then they'd use Warren Radd, but they want this film to be a springboard into secret wars and another step into the multiverse (which so far, Multiverse of Madness and the reference at the end of the Marvels, I think has missed more than it's hit the target).

I don't know if they'll pull it off. But I'm optimistic with FF. Less so with x-men. I think a realy good x-men movie is hard to do. I think First Class and Days of Future Past were very good. It's going to be hard to do the character building with the x-men, the way they did with Cap and Iron Man and Thor and Antman - each getting a solo movie before they were brought together.

I'm rambling, and I've done enough writing and reading to know that story telling and making good movies is hard. That's why there's a lot of bad ones, but as an x-men fan and a marvel fan, I hope they pull it off.

Too much?

Great post. Is Warren Radd related to Norrin Radd? But seriously its going to be tough. As you mentioned so much goings into adapting a good Superhero Movie. And because of past failure people become more resistant. You have to keep the spirit without retreading old hat. I like what they did with Ironman. They chosse a well known but at best B grade hero and turned him into an A lister. Ofcourse he had a relatable and compelling backstory....

I think they need to focus more solo stories using underdeveloped characters that have potential. A couple of characters that come to mind for me:

Nova - intergalactic space cop

Blue Marvel - Black American superman who had to leave the planet to escape racism


Longshot- wacky , fun, maybe too redundant with deadpool ..but i Like him and the mojo world backdrop

Clandestine- interesting familial superteam whose exploits streches across centuries.....

RHODEY wrote:

There's the money aspect, and that's all the study cares about. Big bucks. My guess is that Thunderbolts will do OK in the theaters, but it won't be a home run. From the money perspective, the Spiderman films and X-men films were successes, well, until the x-men films weren't. Marvel has them back now and that's a potential cash cow, but only if it's done right.

As a fan, I care about the quality and something that sometimes gets overlooked, rewatchability. The x-men movies were fine, but I don't consider them rewatchable. It was just fun seeing comic characters on screen, but there wasn't a lot of depth. What the MCU nailed in a way that X-men did not was they felt like real people. Steve Rodgers, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner (and, respect to Edward Norton, but Mark Ruffalo comes across as an actual person with a big green curse so much better), even Thor was a real character because they made him human before they gave him his powers back. That's what made the MCU great. It felt like a human drama, with a diverse cast, and superpowers was the backdrop. Scott Lang too, much more like a person you'd like. Some of the characters are flat, like Falcon and I'd throw Scarlett Johanson in there. She's not bad, but she's not complex.

Or Guardians, where they can get silly and go outside what you'd get with normal people. A racoon that people call Rodent or Rabbit. Drax. Groot. Yondu threatening to eat people. It's unusual, but it works.

That's what they're going for, and I think they know that just flashy stories (Thor Ragnarok was great, but Love and Thunder sucked in my opinion, and Multiverse of Madness had no heart. It was just a bunch of stuff that happened. I think James Gunn tried with Guardians 3, and it was OK, but it felt too overl-stuffed and it moved too far away from the fun and light story that guardians 1 was. The only recent one I liked was Deadpool & Wolverine and that wasn't even realy MCU, it was written by Ryan Reynold's deadpool writers, with just some MCU oversight.

If they can regain that "wow that was good, a good story not just powers", tell your friends and see it in theaters twice and all that.

Regarding the FF and later with the x-men, then I think they have a shot at their goal of more billions and the fans wish for great movies coming together. Just having Galactus isn't enough though a physical galactus is better than a cloud, but they need to create the Fantastic Four family that feels like a family. In a way, dating it back to the 60s is smart, it's like the father knows best era. They can do things during a simpler time and make the story feel quaint. Maybe reference the moon landings and a different era and al that.

Fun sidebar, it's a lady silver surfer in this FF film. That's the kind of thing people hate. The reason for this is because it's a different universe. They probably will bring in the real silver surfer if all goes well in later films, but they didn't want to use Warren Radd in the first film. If the plan was a one-off, then they'd use Warren Radd, but they want this film to be a springboard into secret wars and another step into the multiverse (which so far, Multiverse of Madness and the reference at the end of the Marvels, I think has missed more than it's hit the target).

I don't know if they'll pull it off. But I'm optimistic with FF. Less so with x-men. I think a realy good x-men movie is hard to do. I think First Class and Days of Future Past were very good. It's going to be hard to do the character building with the x-men, the way they did with Cap and Iron Man and Thor and Antman - each getting a solo movie before they were brought together.

I'm rambling, and I've done enough writing and reading to know that story telling and making good movies is hard. That's why there's a lot of bad ones, but as an x-men fan and a marvel fan, I hope they pull it off.

Too much?

Great post. Is Warren Radd related to Norrin Radd? But seriously its going to be tough. As you mentioned so much goings into adapting a good Superhero Movie. And because of past failure people become more resistant. You have to keep the spirit without retreading old hat. I like what they did with Ironman. They chosse a well known but at best B grade hero and turned him into an A lister. Ofcourse he had a relatable and compelling backstory....

I think they need to focus more solo stories using underdeveloped characters that have potential. A couple of characters that come to mind for me:

Nova - intergalactic space cop

Blue Marvel - Black American superman who had to leave the planet to escape racism

Longshot- wacky , fun, maybe too redundant with deadpool ..but i Like him and the mojo world backdrop

Clandestine- interesting familial superteam whose exploits streches across centuries.....

Yeah. Great post.

They seem to be cashing in on secret wars so...FF/X-Men/Spiderman etc were all a part of that run. I remember the Spider-Man/Venom story starting there. They need to tie into that story line and the multiverse is part of that too. Mid 80s reading material originally.