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Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

The obvious answer to this is pressure. There is always a lot of talk about MSG and stuff but it feels like MSG is more of a burden than a help. Opposing star players seem to circle it on their calender to silence the crowd and our team seems to play with a heavy weight on their shoulders. If you look at the unfolding of all the scenes in NY against Detroit and Boston and all the attention the Knicks get, you can imagine how much pressure the players must feel, knowing millions and millions are watching their every move.

The inconsistant play has more to do with Thibs having no concept of adjustments, proper line-ups, staggering minutes so it just comes down to players getting hot or cold.

HopelessKnick wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

The obvious answer to this is pressure. There is always a lot of talk about MSG and stuff but it feels like MSG is more of a burden than a help. Opposing star players seem to circle it on their calender to silence the crowd and our team seems to play with a heavy weight on their shoulders.

The inconsistant play has more today with Thibs having no concept of adjustments, proper line-ups, staggering minutes so it just comes down to players getting hot or cold.

It appears that this is the case. There’s no better supporting fans in the league than Knicks fans. Sports psychology is fascinating.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

HopelessKnick wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

The obvious answer to this is pressure. There is always a lot of talk about MSG and stuff but it feels like MSG is more of a burden than a help. Opposing star players seem to circle it on their calender to silence the crowd and our team seems to play with a heavy weight on their shoulders.

The inconsistant play has more today with Thibs having no concept of adjustments, proper line-ups, staggering minutes so it just comes down to players getting hot or cold.

It appears that this is the case. It there’s no better supporting fans in the league. Sports psychology is fascinating.

Is that really so though? I remember back in the 90s when the Knicks were generally always pretty good (Ewing era) but the team would get early and quick boos in random regular season games if they came out flat or got down double digits or so. The NY fanbase is certainly the biggest and one of the most passionate or even most passionate but they are for from 100% supportive and often are not kind on their players and teams. For example, over the years I have seen hometown crowds being much more supportive than in NY. I do think one big problem are ticket prices though.....you get a lot of wealthy people in there that aren't sensible or that passionate but just want a good, performing product on the court and then they get restless when they don't get it. I would really love to see what MSG crowd would look like if ticket prices were at say 33% of their current price so more average income people could afford to go there. I have the feeling the crowds would be much better and our homecourt advantage much stronger.

HopelessKnick wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

HopelessKnick wrote:
The obvious answer to this is pressure. There is always a lot of talk about MSG and stuff but it feels like MSG is more of a burden than a help. Opposing star players seem to circle it on their calender to silence the crowd and our team seems to play with a heavy weight on their shoulders.

The inconsistant play has more today with Thibs having no concept of adjustments, proper line-ups, staggering minutes so it just comes down to players getting hot or cold.

It appears that this is the case. It there’s no better supporting fans in the league. Sports psychology is fascinating.

Is that really so though? I remember back in the 90s when the Knicks were generally always pretty good (Ewing era) but the team would get early and quick boos in random regular season games if they came out flat or got down double digits or so. The NY fanbase is certainly the biggest and one of the most passionate or even most passionate but they are for from 100% supportive and often are not kind on their players and teams. For example, over the years I have seen hometown crowds being much more supportive than in NY. I do think one big problem are ticket prices though.....you get a lot of wealthy people in there that aren't sensible or that passionate but just want a good, performing product on the court and then they get restless when they don't get it. I would really love to see what MSG crowd would look like if ticket prices were at say 33% of their current price so more average income people could afford to go there. I have the feeling the crowds would be much better and our homecourt advantage much stronger.

The offense would get stagnant back then under JVG. Dump it into Patrick and work inside out. Problem was that Patrick wasn’t the best passer out of the low post. Small hands. He’d fumble the ball a lot in the post. Sad but true.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

HopelessKnick wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

The obvious answer to this is pressure. There is always a lot of talk about MSG and stuff but it feels like MSG is more of a burden than a help. Opposing star players seem to circle it on their calender to silence the crowd and our team seems to play with a heavy weight on their shoulders.

The inconsistant play has more today with Thibs having no concept of adjustments, proper line-ups, staggering minutes so it just comes down to players getting hot or cold.

It appears that this is the case. There’s no better supporting fans in the league than Knicks fans. Sports psychology is fascinating.

I think it is straight forward. You always want to keep pressure as low as possible because under pressure subconscious, practiced and automated movement patterns break down. It's an inverted U curve where a certain amount of stress is good for performance but too much stress kills performance. In NY and MSG it seems that pressure cooker is at the higher end of that spectrum. That's why you always see teams trying to dodge that "favorites role" and they always talk about not being favorites and "how the other team is great" and all. It's all to alleviate pressure.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

HopelessKnick wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:It appears that this is the case. It there’s no better supporting fans in the league. Sports psychology is fascinating.

Is that really so though? I remember back in the 90s when the Knicks were generally always pretty good (Ewing era) but the team would get early and quick boos in random regular season games if they came out flat or got down double digits or so. The NY fanbase is certainly the biggest and one of the most passionate or even most passionate but they are for from 100% supportive and often are not kind on their players and teams. For example, over the years I have seen hometown crowds being much more supportive than in NY. I do think one big problem are ticket prices though.....you get a lot of wealthy people in there that aren't sensible or that passionate but just want a good, performing product on the court and then they get restless when they don't get it. I would really love to see what MSG crowd would look like if ticket prices were at say 33% of their current price so more average income people could afford to go there. I have the feeling the crowds would be much better and our homecourt advantage much stronger.

The offense would get stagnant back then under JVG. Dump it into Patrick and work inside out. Problem was that Patrick wasn’t the best passer out of the low post. Small hands. He’d fumble the ball a lot in the post. Sad but true.

I honestly think that the topic of this thread is one of the most understated but most real reasons many players over time have dodged playing in NY. The city is a pressure cooker and players generally know they would be more challenged to perform at their best in that environment. The mental side of basketball is sooo huge so why make things tough on yourself? Rather go to Miami, very low pressure environment, no taxes, win or lose not too many people care.....

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

We need better fans. We suck.

How loud is MSG now that the tickets are $800 to get in?

MSG fans are basketball fans first. So if anybody is playing well MSG fans will cheer and if the Knicks are not playing well the fans will boo.

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They locked out us poors from getting in. I can't afford $1000 tickets sorry....

The real fans are locked out.

After the first two Boston games and this past game along with game one, are we beyond the point of having any expectations of what will happen in a game with this team now?

Even during a game?

We've set the record for 20 point Playoff comeback wins but also blow a big lead (14 points with 3 min left) at home and lost two of two there this series.

Using the gambler's fallacy, we are so far the exact opposite of the Thunder/Wolves series. Knicks 2 home losses, a road victory. Wolves 2 road losses, a home victory.

And that pattern feels ready to break - so is tonight's game crucial for us? Do we root for the Thunder to break the pattern first?

It's tough being in this simulation!

Kampuchea wrote:How loud is MSG now that the tickets are $800 to get in?

800 will have you in the nosebleeds. if you want mediocre seats you're paying double that.

prophet_of_rage wrote:MSG fans are basketball fans first. So if anybody is playing well MSG fans will cheer and if the Knicks are not playing well the fans will boo.

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I agree. I think we’re the best fans in the NBA.

Other teams always seem to get amped up to play at the garden.

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

It’s due to the bright lights, the glitz and glamour of the Garden. There are too many celebrities out and that’s not real New Yorkers are. Other than Stiller, falco, Tracy Morgan, spike lee, fat joe, chamalet, and John Stewart all the other celebs are just front runners. It’s annoying to watch because the garden treats the game with so much theatrics, and they illuminate the floor and darken the stadium. They try to make it a show rather than a basketball game. When they go on the road, they have only each other, communication is clearer and they are more in sync. I’m tired of the fools at MSG trying to make it a stage. Just play the damn game, it should be no different than a game on the blacktop at the park.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

HopelessKnick wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:It appears that this is the case. It there’s no better supporting fans in the league. Sports psychology is fascinating.

Is that really so though? I remember back in the 90s when the Knicks were generally always pretty good (Ewing era) but the team would get early and quick boos in random regular season games if they came out flat or got down double digits or so. The NY fanbase is certainly the biggest and one of the most passionate or even most passionate but they are for from 100% supportive and often are not kind on their players and teams. For example, over the years I have seen hometown crowds being much more supportive than in NY. I do think one big problem are ticket prices though.....you get a lot of wealthy people in there that aren't sensible or that passionate but just want a good, performing product on the court and then they get restless when they don't get it. I would really love to see what MSG crowd would look like if ticket prices were at say 33% of their current price so more average income people could afford to go there. I have the feeling the crowds would be much better and our homecourt advantage much stronger.

The offense would get stagnant back then under JVG. Dump it into Patrick and work inside out. Problem was that Patrick wasn’t the best passer out of the low post. Small hands. He’d fumble the ball a lot in the post. Sad but true.

I had to look up hand sizes of NBA players since I had no idea Patrick's hands were that small. Found this

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

They play nervous in front of their own fanbase. It's kinda fascinating as it is aggravating

MrDollarBills wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:Any thoughts on why because this is getting a little absurd. Plus, we’re just so uneven from quarter to quarter. Guys are are horrible for 3 quarter and then on fire in the 4th. And they each take turns from game to game.

They play nervous in front of their own fanbase. It's kinda fascinating as it is aggravating

While star players on visiting teams have their career game here. SMDH

i think new york is a place that it overly emotional. other places people are more mellow. the fans reflect that. so when things are going good you get that deep guttural screaming approval that you don't get other places. but when things are going bad you can feel the tension more than other places.