Stats for Eddy, Jamal, Zach, and Steph in games won

[ctorres]

Eddy Curry:
8 wins
32.0 mpg
17.0 ppg (62.1% FG's, 60.9% FT's)
6.4 rpg
1.2 bpg

Zach Randolph:
9 wins
35.1 mpg
19.8 ppg (53.8% FG's, 63.6% FT's)
9.9 rpg
1.6 apg
1.2 spg

Jamal Crawford:
9 wins
42.0 mpg
23.0 ppg (46.1% FG's, 40.4% 3-PT FG's, 82.5% FT's)
2.9 rpg
4.6 apg
1.4 spg

Stephon Marbury:
6 wins
36.5 mpg
19.3 ppg (50.0% FG's, 56.5% 3-PT FG's, 72.5% FT's)
3.0 rpg
6.2 apg
1.2 spg



I thought these stats were VERY telling. People keep saying that it can't work among these four, but if that were the case, how the hell can they put up these ridiculously good numbers when they're playing well and winning. For the Knicks to be a winning team, these are the type of stats we need from all four of these guys on a consistent basis. Heck, if these Crawford, Marbury, Curry, and Randolph had these numbers as their season averages, there is no doubt in my mind that they would be a winning team this season.

In wins:
- Outstanding field goal percentages from all four of them. Curry shoots over 60% from the field.
- Marbury, Crawford, and Randolph all put up all-star numbers.
- Curry and Randolph both get well over their season averages
- Curry blocks over 1 shot per game
- Look at all the stats that I bolded and compare them to their season averages. It is very mind boggling.

[king_k4life]

Zach has played in every victory hmm


Yeah but this type of play cannot work without a offense that keeps everyone moving involved and with touches.

Then on the other end Curry has to Jump atleast 5 times a game.

[LeBustJames]

so basically u need 80 ppg from the 4 of them to have a chance to win

[ctorres]

so basically u need 80 ppg from the 4 of them to have a chance to win

Add 25 ppg from Lee, Richardson, and Robinson and you would have the best offense in the league.

[chitownsports4ever]

Shorter rotations and a faster tempo I would say are the keys .

Eddy was steady all game when the the knicks were not running

Not many plays for Zach he was forced to get his off the glass where he does his best work

Crawford had a key spurt WITH THE SECOND UNIT in the first half and had timely hoops in the 4th

Marbury pushed the ball and then got big baskets off of spot of jumpers

[mjhp911]

I thought these stats were VERY telling. People keep saying that it can't work among these four, but if that were the case, how the hell can they put up these ridiculously good numbers when they're playing well and winning.

I think the point is, the times ALL these guys put up those numbers and we win, are few and far between.

For the Knicks to be a winning team, these are the type of stats we need from all four of these guys on a consistent basis.

Bingo, and that's the problem.



I think Z-Bo and Curry still have to be separated. Either in the starting unit and bench, or one off the team altogether. I'd still rather get rid of Curry, because we can't win with such a one dimensional center, but I think Zeke still thinks he's our franchise player.

I will say this about the guard pairing. I think they are FINALLY starting to mesh. I've noticed Marb and JC starting to have good games more often, while both are on the floor at the same time. Unfortunately, I think it's two years too late. Marb becomes an attractive trade chip this summer, and I think all his distractions may have proven to be too much. It saddens me in a way that these two never meshed well, but I think we need to look ahead. If Zeke wants to use them for one more year, just to see where they can take us, we BETTER make alternative plans as well (as in drafting/acquiring our next PG this summer).

[cmaff051]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_or_the_egg

[Ralphie96]

Yeah but this type of play cannot work without a offense that keeps everyone moving involved and with touches.

thats the point... the offense needs to be free flowing.. no standing around waiting for someone to post up.. run jamal off of curls.. kick the ball out when zbo or curry is doubled ... etc..

also.. have balkman or nate in the lineup instead of Q in order for them to run more.. it seems as if the quicker the ball gets up the court the better the ball movement.

[Fat Kat]

Until this team puts in an effort on the defensive end that equals their offensive effort, we will continue to lose.

We get wins when the other team is cold and not hitting shots.

We can talk all day about the numbers that these guys put up, or whether or not the offense is stagnant when so and so is in the lineup, but until we see guys rotating on defense and hustling, we will lose.

IMO Steph is the best defensive starter, and that's no compliment.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yes, the problem is our defense. Really, those stats have more to do with our defense, then offense. We need these guys to shoot so well in order to win because our opponent shoots so well all the time. Our defense is horrible and we usually give up a lot of high percentage shots.

So if we played better D, we wouldnt need all those guys to have great stats to win.

I mean geeez. Our opponents are shooting 48%. Last in the league. We shoot 43%. Near the bottom. That is a big part of our problem right there.

Also last in the league in assists.

[Slimpack]

Shorter rotations and a faster tempo I would say are the keys .

Eddy was steady all game when the the knicks were not running

Not many plays for Zach he was forced to get his off the glass where he does his best work

Crawford had a key spurt WITH THE SECOND UNIT in the first half and had timely hoops in the 4th

Marbury pushed the ball and then got big baskets off of spot of jumpers

The thing is sometimes this team just plays focused and efficiently. I don't know why, but it's nothing that Isiah is doing. They did the same thing under Brown sometimes, and I always wondered why LB didn't just change to a faster tempo offense and keep the rotation short like he did in those games where the Knicks played well and looked really good.

Eventually I realized that it's the Knicks, not the coaching. Sometimes they just come out and push tempo and play efficiently and as a result of that the coach (in this case Isiah) keeps the rotation short because everyone's playing well and he doesn't need to try things to find a spark. But for whatever reason the Knicks only play like that sometimes. I have no idea why.... but I can guarantee that the tempo pushing is from the Knicks and not from Isiah's coaching strategy.

[onlyonesharky]

Eddy Curry:
8 wins
32.0 mpg
17.0 ppg (62.1% FG's, 60.9% FT's)
6.4 rpg
1.2 bpg

Zach Randolph:
9 wins
35.1 mpg
19.8 ppg (53.8% FG's, 63.6% FT's)
9.9 rpg
1.6 apg
1.2 spg

Jamal Crawford:
9 wins
42.0 mpg
23.0 ppg (46.1% FG's, 40.4% 3-PT FG's, 82.5% FT's)
2.9 rpg
4.6 apg
1.4 spg

Stephon Marbury:
6 wins
36.5 mpg
19.3 ppg (50.0% FG's, 56.5% 3-PT FG's, 72.5% FT's)
3.0 rpg
6.2 apg
1.2 spg



I thought these stats were VERY telling. People keep saying that it can't work among these four, but if that were the case, how the hell can they put up these ridiculously good numbers when they're playing well and winning. For the Knicks to be a winning team, these are the type of stats we need from all four of these guys on a consistent basis. Heck, if these Crawford, Marbury, Curry, and Randolph had these numbers as their season averages, there is no doubt in my mind that they would be a winning team this season.

In wins:
- Outstanding field goal percentages from all four of them. Curry shoots over 60% from the field.
- Marbury, Crawford, and Randolph all put up all-star numbers.
- Curry and Randolph both get well over their season averages
- Curry blocks over 1 shot per game
- Look at all the stats that I bolded and compare them to their season averages. It is very mind boggling.

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