OT: Who is the greatest boxing heavyweight of all time?

2010 · Post #1 » by **2010** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:20 pm

Who do you feel is the greatest boxing heavyweight of all time (regardless of era) and why? State your case.

Pics are appreciated!

TKF · Post #2 » by **TKF** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:39 pm

Ali is my vote, then Joe louis and you can't forget this guy..

he was a bad man, fought during a time when things were rough on blacks. Dated and married white women in a time where black men were hung for even looking at a white woman. He was a bad man. He beat up the white boxers and then married white women... Unheard of during that time. He was feared by most and truly a boxing pioneer.. He had to chase guys down to fight him...

Paeds · Post #3 » by **Paeds** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:41 pm

Ali

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BasicBall · Post #4 » by **BasicBall** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:44 pm

Jack Johnson may have been the greatest considering all of the obstacles he was up against!

But my vote goes to Ali. They took away his prime boxing years too.

He was a BAD MAN! :lol:

TKF · Post #5 » by **TKF** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:52 pm

BasicBall wrote:Jack Johnson may have been the greatest considering all of the obstacles he was up against!

But my vote goes to Ali. They took away his prime boxing years too.

He was a BAD MAN!

OH. I voted Ali.. He was the greatest..

Jack johnson was the baddest!

NyKnicks1714 · Post #6 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:55 pm

Drederick Tatum.

Ignitowsky · Post #7 » by **Ignitowsky** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:05 am

I'll have to think a little more about who I think is the best, but in addition to Jack Johnson, guys like FLoyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, and maybe Ingemar Iohansson belong on your list IMO

ITGM · Post #8 » by **ITGM** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:11 am

kosmovitelli · Post #9 » by **kosmovitelli** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:33 am

Chris Childs :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqafrgriot8

istayripped · Post #10 » by **istayripped** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:37 am

In his prime, he could beat anybody boxer on the planet in their primes, it's not even close. Too quick and way too strong. No boxer has ever had that combination of speed and power.

His "career" became a joke after prison, but his skills in his prime were GOAT.

ManualRam · Post #11 » by **ManualRam** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:50 am

i'll go with the brown bomber. he held the title for 12 yrs and holds the heavyweight record for most title defenses. compared to ali, louis was the more powerful puncher and the more technically sound fighter.

also, prime vs prime, holmes beats ali.

ManualRam · Post #12 » by **ManualRam** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:51 am

istayripped wrote:
In his prime, he could beat anybody boxer on the planet in their primes, it's not even close. Too quick and way too strong. No boxer has ever had that combination of speed and power.

His "career" became a joke after prison, but his skills in his prime were GOAT.

uhh, he lost in his prime.

Newyorker123 · Post #13 » by **Newyorker123** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:51 am

I went with Tyson, with Ali being a close second. Its a joke how Ring Magazine never gave him his props.

HarthorneWingo · Post #14 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:55 am

TKF wrote:Ali is my vote, then Joe louis and you can't forget this guy..

he was a bad man, fought during a time when things were rough on blacks. Dated and married white women in a time where black men were hung for even looking at a white woman. He was a bad man. He beat up the white boxers and then married white women... Unheard of during that time. He was feared by most and truly a boxing pioneer.. He had to chase guys down to fight him...

Well said. I think I gotta agree .... even though I never saw him fight. Anybody ever beat him?

ManualRam · Post #15 » by **ManualRam** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:56 am

Newyorker123 wrote:I went with Tyson, with Ali being a close second. I'm about to go play Fight Night to box with these guys.

joe louis, larry holmes, george foreman, jack johnson, sam langford, jack dempsey, lennox lewis all >>>> tyson.
no excuses, you have to take the good with the bad. tyson was a beast, but he was mentally weak. the first fighter to stand up to him and push back, beat him.

Newyorker123 · Post #16 » by **Newyorker123** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:06 am

ManualRam wrote:
Newyorker123 wrote:I went with Tyson, with Ali being a close second. I'm about to go play Fight Night to box with these guys.

joe louis, larry holmes, george foreman, jack johnson, sam langford, jack dempsey, lennox lewis all >>>> tyson.
no excuses, you have to take the good with the bad. tyson was a beast, but he was mentally weak. the first fighter to stand up to him and push back, beat him.

I chuckled

Post #17 » by **kane2021** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:17 am

This is one of the most difficult questions in sports. 3 great names come to mind. But there is so much separation in time between them.

I was a monster Tyson fan like most in the 80's. But there are to many IF's when we speak of him. For a short period of time he was the most dominating force I have ever seen. But questions about his behavior and competition come up often. Many blame the rape charge. I think cus passing was the knockout blow in his life. At least cus had his trust and a formula to channel his rage. Cus provided the strength to his weaknesses.

I honestly cant answer this. This has been a 30 year debate that I have seen end in a boxing match. :lol:

Newyorker123 · Post #18 » by **Newyorker123** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:20 am

I'm glad this topic was made. I seen the movie Tyson the other day. It was a documentary and everything came from Tyson himself. Its a must see for all boxing fans.

TKF · Post #19 » by **TKF** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:22 am

ManualRam wrote:i'll go with the brown bomber. he held the title for 12 yrs and holds the heavyweight record for most title defenses. compared to ali, louis was the more powerful puncher and the more technically sound fighter.

also, prime vs prime, holmes beats ali.

I don't believe that for one minute, and I am a big larry holmes fan as well..

Ignitowsky · Post #20 » by **Ignitowsky** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:26 am

I saw most, if not all of Ali's fights, same for Tyson. I've only seen film of louis, but based on what I've seen, his record, and what people much more kn owledgable about boxing than i am have said, I'll go with Joe.

Two sort of related points.

The infamous "phantom punch" in the Liston fight always bothered me. I stgill think Listoon threw that fight.

I think tyson would have been the best ever, hands down, had CUs D'Amto lived and remained his trainer. Don King's influence destroyed Tyson.